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Is JSKIS just an elaborate ruse?

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Dddsz
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To rip off 12 year olds? Now before you tear my dick off... this is just the impression of the brand that I've been getting lately. Maybe its not true. I bought a pair of whipits and didn't like the flex at all, so I sold them (and bought noodles that I could eat instead ;) )... But that was a year ago so maybe they have changed.

I have seen so much hype and love for the brand lately and I'm pretty curious where it's all coming from. Is it their strong marketing and frequent features in magazines? The abundance of cats and junk food graphics? Or are the skis actually any good? The use of different graphics on the same models and the fact that you will be "One of just 100 skiers with this ski" strikes me as a wonderful way to lure beginner skiers into grabbing mom's credit card... but what about JSKIS actually makes them solid skis for people who rip, if at all?
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Aug 30 2016 6:13PM
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T.L.
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We already knew jlev is a robot. What should concern all of you is that he's intelligent enough of a robot to pretend not to be. Heay or may not be a replicant.
Sep 18 2016 3:46PM
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Casey
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Now I am starting to think Jason got some insider trading tips from Newell and got the fuck out just in time. Conspiracy?
Sep 19 2016 9:23PM
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Brozak
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My brother and I own 4 pairs of Jskis collectively. Overall, we think they are the greatest skis we have ever skied. I love the ski all around, and you might have just had to break them in to get used to the flex. The allplay flex a little more than the whipit because they don't have the carbon fiber. They are the most durable skis I have ever skied, and they are amazing for the price, because if they were sold by a company like armada, they would easily be $1000 plus. We just think they are amazing skis.
Feb 19 2017 10:45PM
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Malcolm
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Maybe I'm a little biased because I'm riding the same skis as the Shredsauce bonhomme but I really love my Whipits.
Feb 19 2017 10:48PM
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Deepskier
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I have a pair of whipits and they are super fun if you get used to them, but when you ski big mountain like I do (3000+ feet of bumps they are not they best the can be kind of hard to really lay over and make some gs turns on or hold up in zippers n such, but in slush and park and stuff they are super fun, they just are not beefy enough for a daily driver enough if you ski big mountains like Sun valley, Jackson hole, etc. Once again I'd recommend having them in your quiver for those days. JLev definitely has the right idea with J it just needs a little tweaking. Now if J could just respond to my fucking emails.
Feb 20 2017 12:49AM
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dizzydizzy
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DeepskierI have a pair of whipits and they are super fun if you get used to them, but when you ski big mountain like I do (3000+ feet of bumps they are not they best the can be kind of hard to really lay over and make some gs turns on or hold up in zippers n such, but in slush and park and stuff they are super fun, they just are not beefy enough for a daily driver enough if you ski big mountains like Sun valley, Jackson hole, etc. Once again I'd recommend having them in your quiver for those days. JLev definitely has the right idea with J it just needs a little tweaking. Now if J could just respond to my fucking emails.


get the metal if you ski real shit, its literally the best ski made, and probably the best that ever will be made
Feb 20 2017 2:31AM
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dizzydizzy
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DeepskierI have a pair of whipits and they are super fun if you get used to them, but when you ski big mountain like I do (3000+ feet of bumps they are not they best the can be kind of hard to really lay over and make some gs turns on or hold up in zippers n such, but in slush and park and stuff they are super fun, they just are not beefy enough for a daily driver enough if you ski big mountains like Sun valley, Jackson hole, etc. Once again I'd recommend having them in your quiver for those days. JLev definitely has the right idea with J it just needs a little tweaking. Now if J could just respond to my fucking emails.


get the metal if you ski real shit, its literally the best ski made, and probably the best that ever will be made
Feb 20 2017 2:31AM
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SofaKingSick
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Brozakbecause if they were sold by a company like armada, they would easily be $1000 plus. We just think they are amazing skis.


uhh what?
Feb 21 2017 9:59AM
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SofaKingSick
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SofaKingSickuhh what?


to elaborate on this..

armada arv86 is 400, jskis allplay whipit is 549

armada arv96 is 500, jskis allplay is 600

not even close to your claim
Feb 21 2017 2:31PM
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Park.
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SofaKingSickto elaborate on this..

armada arv86 is 400, jskis allplay whipit is 549

armada arv96 is 500, jskis allplay is 600

not even close to your claim


this means nothing in relativity. Skis that fall under the same dimensions do not need to be close to the same price. It is quality dependent.

That said, I agree with you. I just dont think your example was useful.
Feb 21 2017 3:15PM
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SofaKingSick
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parkplaygroundthis means nothing in relativity. Skis that fall under the same dimensions do not need to be close to the same price. It is quality dependent.

That said, I agree with you. I just dont think your example was useful.


right fair enough. my thinking was that the prices i listed show that what he said was pretty silly when you consider armada's reputation as a very high quality ski. even if j skis are the same quality-- which i really doubt-- then the price to quality/utility ratio is still way off
Feb 21 2017 3:51PM
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skiznuts
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They sponsor Steve Stepp for fuck's sake.
Feb 21 2017 4:23PM
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dizzydizzy
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SofaKingSickright fair enough. my thinking was that the prices i listed show that what he said was pretty silly when you consider armada's reputation as a very high quality ski. even if j skis are the same quality-- which i really doubt-- then the price to quality/utility ratio is still way off


Dude, i think he is saying that he thinks j skis are significantly better quality than armadas, like by a factor of 2. hence if armada sold them, they would have to double their prices.

having skied on several armadas and j skis, i would say they are similar (incredible) quality in terms of build construction, and i prefer the geometry of the j skis.

j lev invented twin tips dude, don't question this guy
Feb 22 2017 11:54AM
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SammyDubz
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BrozakMy brother and I own 4 pairs of Jskis collectively. Overall, we think they are the greatest skis we have ever skied. I love the ski all around, and you might have just had to break them in to get used to the flex. The allplay flex a little more than the whipit because they don't have the carbon fiber. They are the most durable skis I have ever skied, and they are amazing for the price, because if they were sold by a company like armada, they would easily be $1000 plus. We just think they are amazing skis.


Lmao
Feb 22 2017 12:59PM
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SofaKingSick
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dizzydizzyDude, i think he is saying that he thinks j skis are significantly better quality than armadas, like by a factor of 2. hence if armada sold them, they would have to double their prices.

having skied on several armadas and j skis, i would say they are similar (incredible) quality in terms of build construction, and i prefer the geometry of the j skis.

j lev invented twin tips dude, don't question this guy


i know that's what he's saying, and i disagree

jlev being the inventor of twin tips is extremely debatable but yes he's a very important dude in the industry. doesnt mean he's unquestionable.....
Feb 22 2017 4:36PM
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JakeBarrett
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LasersocksI


well when you put it that way
Feb 22 2017 8:30PM
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Brozak
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SofaKingSickuhh what?


What do you mean "What?" If you didn't already know J sells the skis directly to you so they are a cheaper price, and they are super durable. While every single pair of Armada skis I have skied have broken within one season.
Feb 25 2017 2:04PM
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Brozak
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SofaKingSickuhh what?


What do you mean "What?" If you didn't already know J sells the skis directly to you so they are a cheaper price, and they are super durable. While every single pair of Armada skis I have skied have broken within one season.
Feb 25 2017 2:05PM
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SammyDubz
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BrozakWhat do you mean "What?" If you didn't already know J sells the skis directly to you so they are a cheaper price, and they are super durable. While every single pair of Armada skis I have skied have broken within one season.


lol
Feb 25 2017 2:06PM
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K-Dot.
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BrozakWhat do you mean "What?" If you didn't already know J sells the skis directly to you so they are a cheaper price, and they are super durable. While every single pair of Armada skis I have skied have broken within one season.


They are in the same price range as Armada, in fact Armada sells a couple cheaper ski models than J Skis. So no, they aren't cheaper. Armada skis aren't shit and the two brands use comparable quality materials. Your anecdote doesn't mean Armada makes a bad product.

How about the fact that Armada supports the skiing community largely while J skis profits off of it with little return? Or that Armada constantly push new shapes and technologies instead of selling the same exact skis for 4 seasons straight? Or that J skis never go on sale, so in most cases you end up paying MORE for a product of equal or lesser quality compared to other brands
Feb 25 2017 2:21PM
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Not_Good
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K-Dot.They are in the same price range as Armada, in fact Armada sells a couple cheaper ski models than J Skis. So no, they aren't cheaper. Armada skis aren't shit and the two brands use comparable quality materials. Your anecdote doesn't mean Armada makes a bad product.

How about the fact that Armada supports the skiing community largely while J skis profits off of it with little return? Or that Armada constantly push new shapes and technologies instead of selling the same exact skis for 4 seasons straight? Or that J skis never go on sale, so in most cases you end up paying MORE for a product of equal or lesser quality compared to other brands


Yea but does armada sell meme skis?
Feb 25 2017 3:18PM
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Brozak
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K-Dot.They are in the same price range as Armada, in fact Armada sells a couple cheaper ski models than J Skis. So no, they aren't cheaper. Armada skis aren't shit and the two brands use comparable quality materials. Your anecdote doesn't mean Armada makes a bad product.

How about the fact that Armada supports the skiing community largely while J skis profits off of it with little return? Or that Armada constantly push new shapes and technologies instead of selling the same exact skis for 4 seasons straight? Or that J skis never go on sale, so in most cases you end up paying MORE for a product of equal or lesser quality compared to other brands


Alright, I have had bad experiences with all my Armada stuff, but don't shit on Jskis when the founder made Line, Full tilt, and helped to make the first park twin tip ski. To me you just sound like a sell out comp skier who supports FIS.
Feb 25 2017 4:28PM
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SofaKingSick
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BrozakWhat do you mean "What?" If you didn't already know J sells the skis directly to you so they are a cheaper price, and they are super durable. While every single pair of Armada skis I have skied have broken within one season.


Haha I'm fully aware that he cuts out the middle men....that doesn't mean he's giving a better value to the customer. You are naive. Plus armada actually spends money on R&D, sponsoring skiers, etc etc, while jskis simply gives skis to some riders
Feb 25 2017 5:35PM
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Brozak
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SofaKingSickHaha I'm fully aware that he cuts out the middle men....that doesn't mean he's giving a better value to the customer. You are naive. Plus armada actually spends money on R&D, sponsoring skiers, etc etc, while jskis simply gives skis to some riders


By cutting out the middle man, he gives you a better product at a cheaper price, that is how it works. And of course Armada has more sponsored skiers, they are a much bigger brand. You probably support FIS, and you're calling me naive lol
Feb 25 2017 10:19PM
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shitty
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BrozakBy cutting out the middle man, he gives you a better product at a cheaper price, that is how it works. And of course Armada has more sponsored skiers, they are a much bigger brand. You probably support FIS, and you're calling me naive lol


I think your argument is oversimplified and takes marketing at face value.

Larger brands benefit from economies of scale. Their production runs are obviously larger than J Skis. Saying it would cost $1000 for a competing brand to a comparable J Ski is false. Sure if larger brands tried to use his strategy of making production runs of only ~75 skis and sold them through their traditional channels, they would probably end up with a ski retailing at $1000 to make appropriate profit, but that is a poor business strategy. In summary, does the difference in size of production runs automatically mean J Skis is a superior product and thus he delivers a better value to consumers in terms of ski quality and construction? The jury of consumers can decide that, and I've never held a J Ski. Nonetheless, what J's doing is different and certain consumers value that style. There's certainly a place in the market for J Skis.

However, the point is that these are two different business strategies that ultimately get us to the same place. Larger brands complete massive production runs, which reduce the per unit (ski) costs. After the brand and distributors "middle men" earn their appropriate profits and determine price points relative to competitors, we end up with a ski priced at $500. J Skis business model makes a small production runs for a particular ski and graphic combo, which carry higher costs per ski relative to larger brands. He marks up his product appropriately considering his production costs and the price point he believes will sell relative to competitors. I think to say you're getting a BETTER product in terms of build quality is debatable, but you're certainly getting a DIFFERENT product.
Feb 26 2017 11:03AM
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@LANTASKI
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Had the original twisters. Were hooky AF. Got backseat off a small drop on them and landed on edge resulting in the edges cutting a huge gash into my chest. 30 stitches later, i ended up selling them.
Feb 27 2017 12:21PM
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BrentCehelsky
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_ALPHASQUAD_yea j skis graphics r dope but i don't like paying $10000000000000 for skis that r gon get fucked in the park. c'mon ski companies we aren't all rich and sponsored, sell your fucking skis for cheap... from a marketing stand point i get you wanna jack the prices up when the ski is in high demand so you can get rich af,.... help a nigga out


buy atomic punx
Feb 28 2017 11:09AM
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dizzydizzy
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BrentCehelskybuy atomic punx


buy anything surface makes, and dont try to use the edges. problem solved
Feb 28 2017 12:54PM
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