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Kids on the come up that will rise to the level oF Sammy , Candide and Tanner.

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willysworld
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Are there any young skiers on the come up that have the all round game of say Candide or Sammy and tanner ? With the ability to win xgames slope and then go win a freeride tour event? And have good riding technique not just sliding around and making horrible turns. The only one I can think of is Logan Pehota , (sean p counts to but he's been huge for many years ) or is the level just to high these days that you have to focus on one format in order to be at that level. Sammy Carlson could still win xgames slope in my opinion and his big mountain game and bc game is almost as good or better than anyone.
May 20 2016 5:01AM
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Julius_Steezer
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Given the insanely high levels needed to both win x games and dominate the BC, Im not sure we'll see anyone anytime soon who truly is the best in the world. Those guys will become rarer and rarer.

Having said that, if someone was gonna do it, possibly ahall or Andre raglietti. Ahall obviously has solid tricks on lock and threw some fire in the faction edit and Andre already has the x games bit figured out so he just needs to go to the bc. And most importantly, they're both pretty young so they've got a while to ride both
May 20 2016 6:05AM
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JibbaTheHutt
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for sure t'll be guys who started in x and then transitioned to big mountain side of things.

For anybody that doesn't follow Jacob Wester's blog;

https://www.freeride.se/jacobwester/


Jacob has been killing it skiing Cham over the last season, i reckon if he wasn't doing the filming thing we'd see him competing in FWT or atleast highly rated FWQ stops.

His blog is fucking dope aswell! Shouts to Jacob!
May 20 2016 6:19AM
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willysworld
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JibbaTheHuttfor sure t'll be guys who started in x and then transitioned to big mountain side of things.

For anybody that doesn't follow Jacob Wester's blog;

https://www.freeride.se/jacobwester/


Jacob has been killing it skiing Cham over the last season, i reckon if he wasn't doing the filming thing we'd see him competing in FWT or atleast highly rated FWQ stops.

His blog is fucking dope aswell! Shouts to Jacob!

Jacob told me last year at the B&e that he had no intention of ever competing in freeride comps cause he thought he had already proven himself in that element with filming. Which I think is limiting .. Jacob is def on of the top 5 all round skiers on earth no despute there. But I'm curious if any of be younger cats have the ability to kill it like him and Sammy.
May 20 2016 6:27AM
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KravtZ
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Logan P is a boss. Definitely up there in terms of ability. I'm sure those big film crews are recruiting some killer skiers who can dominate all around perhaps waiting till they're good enough.

The TGR crew always has the sickest all mountain skiers on the planet in my opinion. Always look forward to their new talent
May 20 2016 9:39AM
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Ian_Fitz
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interesting to think about how good some kids will be in the next couple years....... Ten years ago people were barley throwing dubs.......insane how fast the pro ability level is rising! I think Nico Protius is on the come up especially cus he's 13 and has been able to dub 12 since he was like 11. A lot of people on the come up! Can't wait to continue watching xgames and see the talent gradually increasing!
May 20 2016 11:59AM
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CatBoy
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Duncan Adams is still only like 22 or 23, which is pretty incredible. He's already done the pipe/comp scene, and has become very well known for his BC riding. He'll become a legend for sure.
May 20 2016 1:12PM
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MountainInMyMind
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Fabian Bosch the dude goes fucking nuts, but still stays pretty under the radar. should be interesting to see if he will shift his focus to bc stuff
May 20 2016 4:55PM
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Burrrlapz
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Fin Bilous
May 20 2016 5:10PM
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corona
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Alex Hall I'd say. Could easily win x games before he's 20, get bored of park and ski big mountain by the time he's 22 and win all the major big mountain comps by the time he's 25 then put out the most banger segments until he becomes a legend at 30.
May 20 2016 5:15PM
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1337
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Torin. Medaled a few times at x-games, has wicked sick style, has some of the biggest sponsors in the game, and is still super young.
May 20 2016 6:39PM
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profa_212
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ozzywrongJacob told me last year at the B&e that he had no intention of ever competing in freeride comps cause he thought he had already proven himself in that element with filming. Which I think is limiting .. Jacob is def on of the top 5 all round skiers on earth no despute there. But I'm curious if any of be younger cats have the ability to kill it like him and Sammy.

Damn that's really unfortunate that he won't compete. He would do great at the FWT.
May 20 2016 7:28PM
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willysworld
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1337Torin. Medaled a few times at x-games, has wicked sick style, has some of the biggest sponsors in the game, and is still super young.


Can Torrin ski big mountain ? I think hes one of the best park skiers in the world.. straight up amazing but I have never seen a back country or full film part from him other than park edits (which are straight fire) he could easily be the dude to take the torch if he wanted to but I have yet to see his BC jumping game or big mountain skills
May 20 2016 8:32PM
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Brocka_Flocka
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ozzywrongCan Torrin ski big mountain ? I think hes one of the best park skiers in the world.. straight up amazing but I have never seen a back country or full film part from him other than park edits (which are straight fire) he could easily be the dude to take the torch if he wanted to but I have yet to see his BC jumping game or big mountain skills


I don't know for sure, but I assume he is. Coming from a mogul background and being a pipe skier, I assume he is actually a pretty decent skier. You have to have wicked edge control and forward pressure to ski a pipe.



In general though, I don't ever see another skier and the Sammy/Tanner/Candide level. In order to win X Games now, you have to dedicate 100% of your time to the park. Plus, all these new kids have grown up skiing nothing but park and having very little focus on basic skiing fundamentals (unless you ski pipe). Before, park skiing was a way out of racing and moguls and other establishments. So the OG dudes coming over like JP and Candide were able to bring solid skiing to the park. Now that the park is "established", 10 year-olds are more focused on the proper K-Fed set than parallel shins.
May 20 2016 11:56PM
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JibbaTheHutt
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ozzywrongCan Torrin ski big mountain ? I think hes one of the best park skiers in the world.. straight up amazing but I have never seen a back country or full film part from him other than park edits (which are straight fire) he could easily be the dude to take the torch if he wanted to but I have yet to see his BC jumping game or big mountain skills


I swear i saw IG posts of him in the backcountry filming for the masquerade? I never actually watched the film so dont know if he had a BC part in it...
May 21 2016 12:03AM
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*Nefarious*
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that's pretty hard to predict, because it comes down to a lot more than raw talent. You gotta have the passion running deep, and it seems a lot of skiers lose that, or lose the drive, as they get older.

In my opinion, Karl Fostvedt is making his way into that echelon. He does it all, and his backcountry game is strong, especially big jumps.

I'm predicting Dylan Sondrup will be doing big things for a long time to come. And Colby Stevenson. Those kids have "it"
May 21 2016 11:23AM
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AndrewGravesSV
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*Nefarious*that's pretty hard to predict, because it comes down to a lot more than raw talent. You gotta have the passion running deep, and it seems a lot of skiers lose that, or lose the drive, as they get older.

In my opinion, Karl Fostvedt is making his way into that echelon. He does it all, and his backcountry game is strong, especially big jumps.

I'm predicting Dylan Sondrup will be doing big things for a long time to come. And Colby Stevenson. Those kids have "it"


Karl and Colby for sure when he recovers. Jake Mageau I think also has a big bag of talent all over the mountain
May 21 2016 6:12PM
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thebusiness19
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I find it surprising that no one has mentioned Henrik Harlaut. He has three X Games golds and one silver and does not appear to be slowing down one bit. He has already done things in the backcountry that I haven't seen anyone else do...he did a dub 10 off of a cliff in Oil and Water. It seems his main inspiration is Tanner Hall so I don't see any reason why Henrik would not similarly transition to raping backcountry full time when he's done competing like Tanner did.
May 21 2016 6:42PM
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JibbaTheHutt
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thebusiness19I find it surprising that no one has mentioned Henrik Harlaut. He has three X Games golds and one silver and does not appear to be slowing down one bit. He has already done things in the backcountry that I haven't seen anyone else do...he did a dub 10 off of a cliff in Oil and Water. It seems his main inspiration is Tanner Hall so I don't see any reason why Henrik would not similarly transition to raping backcountry full time when he's done competing like Tanner did.


Had never thought about henrik but now you mention it you're totally right! He is for sure one of the most passionate about skiing I've ever seen and like you said the influence from tanner will get him into the backcountry more and more I believe. He showed some technical skiing in his film a couple of years ago, I'd love to see him do more of that and maybe go and compete in the linecatcher and similar comps, I think he'd do very well!
May 21 2016 9:41PM
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jps2.0
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markus eder
he did this in sochi
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MbIsdk9lHc[VIDEO]

then a few weeks later he did this

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StPEefLR-_o[VIDEO]
May 21 2016 10:45PM
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arnie_grape
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the thing about our sport is that lots of pros eventually have to move on.

candide sammy and tanner are some of the very small chosen few who have a) the skills to be the best of the best and b) the extreme dedication it takes to stay a pro skier after their mid 20s.
May 21 2016 10:52PM
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ascent_studios
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Keirnan Fagan

He's the kid that has been skiing with Goeppert at mammoth and hood for the past weeks
May 21 2016 11:31PM
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ascent_studios
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Also Zach Masi
May 22 2016 12:47PM
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dan4060
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Brocka_FlockaI don't know for sure, but I assume he is. Coming from a mogul background and being a pipe skier, I assume he is actually a pretty decent skier. You have to have wicked edge control and forward pressure to ski a pipe.

You are definitely right here. Skiing moguls is great for the fundamentals, most of the great big mountain skiers out there started in moguls or racing. Jonny Moseley was arguably the best in the world for a while, he killed it in big mountain when he went in that direction. His segment in the TGR flick The Realm is insane, he is trading lines with Nobis and Jones. Isn't Torin from Aspen? It is easier to transition to big mountain if you have come from a big western mountain, as you will have grown up skiing steep terrain and hucking on pow days.

Brocka_FlockaIn general though, I don't ever see another skier and the Sammy/Tanner/Candide level. In order to win X Games now, you have to dedicate 100% of your time to the park. Plus, all these new kids have grown up skiing nothing but park and having very little focus on basic skiing fundamentals (unless you ski pipe). Before, park skiing was a way out of racing and moguls and other establishments. So the OG dudes coming over like JP and Candide were able to bring solid skiing to the park. Now that the park is "established", 10 year-olds are more focused on the proper K-Fed set than parallel shins.


I really hope you are wrong, but unfortunately I think you're right. I bet Sean Petit could have been an xgames medalist if he had gone in that direction, but at this point you really have to choose a path. Candide, CR (ski in peace) and Tanner were all involved in big mountain while they were getting xgames medals, but now you really do have to focus 100% on park if you want to medal in the xgames. It used to be that a guy who could medal at the xgames and ski big mountain was considered an all-around skier. Now it is a guy who can ski park AND pipe. Are there even any guys competing in both disciplines at the same time anymore? It seems to me that things have gotten so specialized that you have to choose either park or pipe and go with it, and that is really sad.

A guy like Torin might be able to be great in big mountain someday, but he might have to stop competing in order to have the time to focus in that direction. It really makes me miss a guy like CR, who was winning medals and throwing down sick big mountain film parts at the same time.
May 22 2016 4:40PM
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dylhole
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ozzywrongCan Torrin ski big mountain ? I think hes one of the best park skiers in the world.. straight up amazing but I have never seen a back country or full film part from him other than park edits (which are straight fire) he could easily be the dude to take the torch if he wanted to but I have yet to see his BC jumping game or big mountain skills


Im sure he can figure it out if he wants to, especially the jump side of things. In my opinion it's a lot harder to compete in pipe at a competitive level than it is to put out a video part. There's a reason why so many guys move to video segments in the latter part of their "careers." It's not a question as to if these guys can do it, it's if they have the desire to put in all the work to do it. After all, you get to ski a whole lot more if your season is devoted to contests instead of filming a segment, and you get the aid of a chairlift instead of a sled or touring or hiking.

I think plenty of contest/park skiers have the skillset to take to the mountains and backcountry if they choose to. You think someone like Gus or Henrik doesn't have the natural ability to learn how to ski AK or land in powder? I don't know enough about the ski industry these days to know who's who, but I'm confident there plenty of talent out there to become an all around stud if there's the will.
May 22 2016 11:35PM
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Doc.Stomp
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Not really an answer to the thread but i reckon pettit is definitely up there with Sammy, tanner and those dudes. He deserves more credit than what he gets on ns. Even Pep Fujas too...
May 23 2016 4:11AM
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MikeWeinerONE
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Grant Howard
May 23 2016 2:07PM
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dan4060
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dylholeIm sure he can figure it out if he wants to, especially the jump side of things. In my opinion it's a lot harder to compete in pipe at a competitive level than it is to put out a video part. There's a reason why so many guys move to video segments in the latter part of their "careers." It's not a question as to if these guys can do it, it's if they have the desire to put in all the work to do it. After all, you get to ski a whole lot more if your season is devoted to contests instead of filming a segment, and you get the aid of a chairlift instead of a sled or touring or hiking.

I think plenty of contest/park skiers have the skillset to take to the mountains and backcountry if they choose to. You think someone like Gus or Henrik doesn't have the natural ability to learn how to ski AK or land in powder? I don't know enough about the ski industry these days to know who's who, but I'm confident there plenty of talent out there to become an all around stud if there's the will.


CR Johnson always said it was harder to make a great big mountain segment than it was to win an xgames medal. He said he was prouder of that than any of his xgames stuff.

Not all of the park guys have what it takes to just go to big mountain and dominate. Park skiing and big mountain skiing are very different, and one skill set does not necessarily translate 100% to the other. You can't just say that because someone is a great park skier they will dominate in big mountain. Also, Candide CR Tanner and most of those other guys ALWAYS skied big mountain, they just did not always get filmed doing it. It is very hard to get the chance to film in big mountain, there are not many spots in those helicopters, so the guys who get the chance are truly lucky. Someone who does not ski at least resort steeps their whole lives before trying to film will not be able to dominate big mountains, you don't just step out of the park and step into the big mountain arena and dominate things.

Most of the park guys who eventually dominate in big mountain also have backgrounds in racing or bumps. Those disciplines translate very well to AK type skiing.
May 23 2016 4:30PM
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1337
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*Nefarious*that's pretty hard to predict, because it comes down to a lot more than raw talent. You gotta have the passion running deep, and it seems a lot of skiers lose that, or lose the drive, as they get older.

In my opinion, Karl Fostvedt is making his way into that echelon. He does it all, and his backcountry game is strong, especially big jumps.

I'm predicting Dylan Sondrup will be doing big things for a long time to come. And Colby Stevenson. Those kids have "it"


I agree with everything this man says. Karl is a beast, and I've been very impressed with Colby and Dylan after shooting with all of these guys the past few weeks. Those two are HUNGRY.
May 23 2016 5:49PM
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Skibumsmith
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Fabio Studer
Marcus Eder
Richard Permin
Bene Mayr

The euros are taking over...
May 23 2016 8:23PM
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dylhole
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dan4060CR Johnson always said it was harder to make a great big mountain segment than it was to win an xgames medal. He said he was prouder of that than any of his xgames stuff.

Not all of the park guys have what it takes to just go to big mountain and dominate. Park skiing and big mountain skiing are very different, and one skill set does not necessarily translate 100% to the other. You can't just say that because someone is a great park skier they will dominate in big mountain. Also, Candide CR Tanner and most of those other guys ALWAYS skied big mountain, they just did not always get filmed doing it. It is very hard to get the chance to film in big mountain, there are not many spots in those helicopters, so the guys who get the chance are truly lucky. Someone who does not ski at least resort steeps their whole lives before trying to film will not be able to dominate big mountains, you don't just step out of the park and step into the big mountain arena and dominate things.

Most of the park guys who eventually dominate in big mountain also have backgrounds in racing or bumps. Those disciplines translate very well to AK type skiing.


I'm not saying every competitive park skier is going to dominate in the mountains, but I think if you have the skill and drive to put yourself on the biggest contest podiums, then that skillset can, with plenty of education, hard work, and smart decision making translate to skiing backcountry at a very, very high level. If any of the x games medalists wanted a seat in a heli, they could likely have one (but they're paying for it one way or another, just like the vast majority of big name film skiers do). I grew up in the east coast and a lot of the kids I grew up competing with had (and may still have) plenty of backcountry/big mountain/heli segments with major film crews. It doesn't take a lifetime to get ready to hit a big jump, or ski down a mountain; if you have a strong ski background, and the drive to get deep into the mountains, you'll figure it out if you're not an idiot, and those talented athletes can become elite whether they grew up in MT, Tahoe, or New England. The skills to ride exposed faces and land in powder aren't necessarily the trouble, but it's the time and hard work it takes to get to that terrain, and for a lot of skiers, it isn't worth it. It's pretty similar to when contest skiers walk away from competing to focus on other endeavours. They could likely hang/qualify for contests for another few years, but is the risk/training/beating on their bodies worth it to them anymore? Is it fun anymore? and hopefully, thats why most people decide to click into skis.
May 23 2016 11:53PM
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eastcoastjpw
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Probs Cody LaPlante, but a guy called Noah PM is on the rise.
May 24 2016 10:02AM
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AndrewGravesSV
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I feel like Dane Tudor deserves a mention although he's dropped out of the park scene. Dude landed a backcountry triple and used to just crush park. Now he's killing big mountain lines and has been since edias
May 24 2016 10:49AM
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John_Brown
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Colby Stevenson
May 24 2016 11:31AM
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Dddsz
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John_BrownColby Stevenson


Does he even ski backcountry?
May 24 2016 1:14PM
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johnk
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How has nobody said Jesper Tjader?...
May 24 2016 2:08PM
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.lencon
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SconnieDoes he even ski backcountry?


Probably not, but he's only 18.
May 24 2016 2:37PM
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s.oksen
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Mitchell Brower?
May 24 2016 3:38PM
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ascent_studios
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s.oksenMitchell Brower?


Hes been pretty much on top for a while now lol
May 24 2016 5:14PM
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s.oksen
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ben_collinsHes been pretty much on top for a while now lol


Yea i know. He is definitely not on that legendary level like the others yet, but he could reach it. I dont know about the x-games medal, but his BC and Urban skills are insane.
May 25 2016 8:34AM
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willysworld
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AndrewGravesSVI feel like Dane Tudor deserves a mention although he's dropped out of the park scene. Dude landed a backcountry triple and used to just crush park. Now he's killing big mountain lines and has been since edias


Dan is one of the top 5 skiers on planet earth.. so underrated same as Tanner Rainville but I want to know up and comers who can take the mantle ..
May 25 2016 4:15PM
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Brocka_Flocka
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ozzywrongDan is one of the top 5 skiers on planet earth.. so underrated same as Tanner Rainville but I want to know up and comers who can take the mantle ..


Good to know someone loves T-rains as much as me
May 25 2016 6:48PM
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drumbumocdp
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1337Torin. Medaled a few times at x-games, has wicked sick style, has some of the biggest sponsors in the game, and is still super young.


I came to mention him as well. For sure already a well established skier, but he still has a lot of potential to grow
May 26 2016 12:59PM
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Jon_Taffer
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jps2.0markus eder
he did this in sochi
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MbIsdk9lHc[VIDEO]

then a few weeks later he did this

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StPEefLR-_o[VIDEO]


announcer in the sochi run had absolutely no idea what he was talking about
May 26 2016 4:34PM
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