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What is the future tech of skis??

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GrapeHunter
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Everything is evolving as of now; cars are becoming smarter, phones are getting slimmer, and to say the least, everything is getting smarter. What can we expect from coming models of skis? Are there going to be any improvements or advances in the way skis are created? has ON3P created the best around? so many questions.....
May 4 2016 8:10PM
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fries
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I know there's countless reasons this would never work out, but I've always thought of how cool magnet bindings would be- they would just be inside the ski, and your boot would just stick to it.
May 4 2016 8:18PM
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Lonely
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Single piece 3D printed skis
May 4 2016 9:50PM
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clorox
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I've been saying this for a while, but I want to see a pair of solid plastic skis with steel edges as part of the mold. I know they would possibly break easily, but think about them never rotting. If you look at the bottom of a penny board, you can see that they are slightly ribbed to retain stiffness. They'd probably be able to be sold for around $50 a pair and it wouldn't be the end of the world when you take a digger and snap your tips ot rip out some edge on a rail. I really want to see someone do this. Sure there are plenty of downsides such as inferior torsional rigidity, but they could even have metal rods to combat that. Someone tell me why this would be a bad idea.
May 4 2016 9:52PM
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SammyDubz
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J_SI know there's countless reasons this would never work out, but I've always thought of how cool magnet bindings would be- they would just be inside the ski, and your boot would just stick to it.


so SSX
May 4 2016 9:59PM
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Swandog7
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SammyDubzso SSX


SO when you go to tweak a grab you pull your ski off. Sounds ideal
May 4 2016 10:20PM
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el_mn_op
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I want skis with holographic top sheets. I don't think this is where you're going with this thread but still could be cool...
May 4 2016 10:25PM
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cory.iyoob
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how about we just get a light cheap and durable ski first.
May 4 2016 10:57PM
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a_burger
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THE_SWITCHI've been saying this for a while, but I want to see a pair of solid plastic skis with steel edges as part of the mold. I know they would possibly break easily, but think about them never rotting. If you look at the bottom of a penny board, you can see that they are slightly ribbed to retain stiffness. They'd probably be able to be sold for around $50 a pair and it wouldn't be the end of the world when you take a digger and snap your tips ot rip out some edge on a rail. I really want to see someone do this. Sure there are plenty of downsides such as inferior torsional rigidity, but they could even have metal rods to combat that. Someone tell me why this would be a bad idea.


this is something I've wanted to try as well. Maybe at some point I'll get around to actually buying some hdpe and trying it
May 4 2016 11:07PM
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Mingg
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I might be talking out of my ass right now, because I don't actually know a whole lot about the design/prototype/production process in general. However, I've had a few conversations about this so maybe it's relevant.

A lot of times you see skis with the same tip,waist,tail widths for all sizes of the ski. (Now, maybe companies actually adjust these dimensions for different sizes, but online they are posted as constant for each size so that is the information I'm working off of) Assuming this is true, it distorts the sidecut. As you shorten the ski, the sidecut is deeper which makes the turn radius smaller and the opposite is true if you go bigger. So depending on what size you get, the ski might actually ski a little differently than the original design intended.


I feel like there have been a lot of shapes, flex patterns and designs that have been worked with and for the most part it seems like everyone has figured out something that works great for them. Maybe instead of trying out more new designs there could be more focus on more of these details. I'm not sure if it would make a big difference but I don't know. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
May 4 2016 11:12PM
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Negromancer
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MinggI might be talking out of my ass right now, because I don't actually know a whole lot about the design/prototype/production process in general. However, I've had a few conversations about this so maybe it's relevant.

A lot of times you see skis with the same tip,waist,tail widths for all sizes of the ski. (Now, maybe companies actually adjust these dimensions for different sizes, but online they are posted as constant for each size so that is the information I'm working off of) Assuming this is true, it distorts the sidecut. As you shorten the ski, the sidecut is deeper which makes the turn radius smaller and the opposite is true if you go bigger. So depending on what size you get, the ski might actually ski a little differently than the original design intended.


I feel like there have been a lot of shapes, flex patterns and designs that have been worked with and for the most part it seems like everyone has figured out something that works great for them. Maybe instead of trying out more new designs there could be more focus on more of these details. I'm not sure if it would make a big difference but I don't know. Just thought I'd throw that out there.


A few companies already do adjust the size widths of the ski depending on its length, I can think of ON3P, Atomic, and Armada who do it off the top of my head.
May 4 2016 11:55PM
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Mingg
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DonaldTrumpA few companies already do adjust the size widths of the ski depending on its length, I can think of ON3P, Atomic, and Armada who do it off the top of my head.


True! There's also a lot that don't. I've only looked into the women's lines from this past year. and Faction, Icelantic, K2 is a huge one, Liberty, Line, Rossi, Surface, Moment(some models), Volkl, and Roxy(lol if they even count) have the same dimensions in their skis. Armada, ON3P, 4FRNT, Atomic, and one of Moment's models are all adjusted so that's dope. And maybe that's just because I'm looking the women's lines which are newer/less developed but hopefully there are some improvements with that!
May 5 2016 12:08AM
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jps2.0
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a ski with the shape of the Candide 2.0 but with atomics horizon tech in the tip and tail.
May 5 2016 4:18AM
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dbchili
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i hope by the time global warming takes over they'll have invented hover skis. It'd be like riding powder everywhere
May 5 2016 7:13AM
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S.J.W
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There's a GPS tracker you can attach to your surfboard which tells you how long you paddled for, how many waves you caught, and get's pretty high tech as it can tell you what angle your board was on when you were turning, how fast you changed directions, pretty much anything you need or want to know. It has it. Something like that in skiing would be sick.
May 5 2016 7:33AM
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HaydenWrong
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What ever Logan Imlach is up to at Armada guys got some stuff up his sleeves
May 5 2016 8:17AM
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elcornholio
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S.J.WThere's a GPS tracker you can attach to your surfboard which tells you how long you paddled for, how many waves you caught, and get's pretty high tech as it can tell you what angle your board was on when you were turning, how fast you changed directions, pretty much anything you need or want to know. It has it. Something like that in skiing would be sick.

I saw an ad for one around x games. I think Joss Christensen was promoting it. Maybe it's the same product but it was attached to his skis.
May 5 2016 8:46AM
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bait
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every third Thursday has so many dope ideas like the surfboard stringer one, where the snowboard is made entirely of plastic stringers.
May 5 2016 8:52AM
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fries
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SammyDubzso SSX


Basically
May 5 2016 9:04AM
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Mingg
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S.J.WThere's a GPS tracker you can attach to your surfboard which tells you how long you paddled for, how many waves you caught, and get's pretty high tech as it can tell you what angle your board was on when you were turning, how fast you changed directions, pretty much anything you need or want to know. It has it. Something like that in skiing would be sick.


That could also be really useful for like back country skiers. You could have all those stats, a map of the route you took, and in case of an avalanche there could be some kind of tracker.
May 5 2016 9:16AM
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dsnyd22
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Google the invisible ski. Pretty sweet video
May 5 2016 9:20AM
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Jon_Taffer
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Stealing a couple ideas from every third Thursday but here i go; heated base. As most people know, skiing works by melting a tiny layer of snow under your base making a film of water that you glide over. A heated base would melt more snow and make you go faster. They tested it and it actually works. Another thing id like to see is variable flex. I'm not sure if anyone has tried this but it would
Be dope. Pretty much you would have different metal/carbon or whatever inserts that come with your ski ranging from super soft, to super stiff. Depending on the day/conditions you could switch out the inserts turning your ski stiff/soft of whatever you like. They could be engineered to make a perfect flex radius so that any skier could personalize their flex and then use that in any ski they like. Could also probably be done with liquid. Have tiny holes in the base of the skis that can be opened with the click of the button. Using the momentum of the skier, these holes would fill up with water and create pressure in the ski, making it stiffer the more pressure is built up. I also have no idea what I'm talking about but I have hundreds of ideas like this
May 5 2016 9:35AM
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freeskibum82
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skis that self eject all the time if they are stolen.. and they eject at random times.
May 5 2016 9:56AM
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KravtZ
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I think ski shape / design will slow down pressing since so many shapes an what not have been tried.

I think ski material is the future and where the change will occur. Moving to more durable, faster bases, perhaps away from wood core to some sort of plastic type material thats lighter and stronger.
May 5 2016 10:45AM
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Static
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dsnyd22Google the invisible ski. Pretty sweet video


Skis Invisibal never got off the ground, now that 10 years or so has passed copy cat companies are trying to bring it back.
May 5 2016 11:03AM
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Peter.
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jps2.0a ski with the shape of the Candide 2.0 but with atomics horizon tech in the tip and tail.


how about a ski with the shape of the candide 2.0 that isn't 600 dollars
May 5 2016 11:47AM
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GayWolf420
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powder/all-mtn ski tech is blowing my mind nowadays. there are skis out there under 110 underfoot that can easily handle themselves in deep snow and seem to be a blast elsewhere. cool to see skis that don't sacrifice all-mtn performance while allowing you to get pitted still.
May 5 2016 12:13PM
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gabew34
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replaceable edges are the future! but realistically i would like to see companies experimenting with more core options and different species and combinations of wood.
May 5 2016 12:32PM
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freeskibum82
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Peter.how about a ski with the shape of the candide 2.0 that isn't 600 dollars


any ski of quality is going to run you right around there. hell. even the SFB is 699 at the start of the season.
May 5 2016 1:26PM
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hot.pocket
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May 5 2016 1:41PM
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freeballer
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THE_SWITCHI've been saying this for a while, but I want to see a pair of solid plastic skis with steel edges as part of the mold. I know they would possibly break easily, but think about them never rotting. If you look at the bottom of a penny board, you can see that they are slightly ribbed to retain stiffness. They'd probably be able to be sold for around $50 a pair and it wouldn't be the end of the world when you take a digger and snap your tips ot rip out some edge on a rail. I really want to see someone do this. Sure there are plenty of downsides such as inferior torsional rigidity, but they could even have metal rods to combat that. Someone tell me why this would be a bad idea.

I like the idea a lot, but I don't think it would ski well. Think of the skis in the past that didn't have wood cores, but foam cores. They just fold at speed and don't have any feel or pop. The benefit of wood is that it has great rebound and better feel than plastics. It's also more eco friendly if the woods used are fast growing, like bamboo over petroleum based products that use fossil fuels.

But if someone could figure out a solid plastic that has similar properties to wood cores, then we are talking.
May 5 2016 3:38PM
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.otto.
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2Planker907What ever Logan Imlach is up to at Armada guys got some stuff up his sleeves


tell me more
May 5 2016 4:24PM
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Cyanicenine
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The thread I made recently about blended sidecuts is somewhat relevant here; https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/842564/Hookfree-or-extra-tip-hook---Which-one-is-right---?page=1#p-13681153
May 5 2016 4:39PM
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Negromancer
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S.J.WThere's a GPS tracker you can attach to your surfboard which tells you how long you paddled for, how many waves you caught, and get's pretty high tech as it can tell you what angle your board was on when you were turning, how fast you changed directions, pretty much anything you need or want to know. It has it. Something like that in skiing would be sick.


There is app called Ski Tracks on Android and iOS which is pretty similar to what you described, gives you info like what speed you did, slope degree, distance skied, number of runs, and it shows you the runs you did on Google Maps plus heaps of other stuff. For like 2 bucks it's a really good app.
May 5 2016 4:45PM
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S.J.W
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DonaldTrumpThere is app called Ski Tracks on Android and iOS which is pretty similar to what you described, gives you info like what speed you did, slope degree, distance skied, number of runs, and it shows you the runs you did on Google Maps plus heaps of other stuff. For like 2 bucks it's a really good app.


Trace is much more high tech. It costs around 400 bucks and turns every surf into a statistical analysis. Shit is so fun to use. Like it can tell you how quickly you shifted from rail to rail. That would be awesome in skiing
May 5 2016 5:16PM
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freewillie
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freeskibum82skis that self eject all the time if they are stolen.. and they eject at random times.


Smart skis are not what you think
May 5 2016 5:18PM
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Session
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cory.iyoobhow about we just get a light cheap and durable ski first.



Not everyone wants a light ski.
May 5 2016 5:50PM
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KevinKonitshek
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Glow in the dark skis!
May 5 2016 6:06PM
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Mingg
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KevinKonitshekGlow in the dark skis!


Leo Taillefer pro model?
May 5 2016 8:31PM
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senorelsondro
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3D printed ski boot shells. Everyone's foot is different and no rigid, plastic shell is going to fit you perfectly. If shops had a scanner that maps the contours of your foot, this information could be sent to the manufacturer who could produce and ship a boot specifically made for you.

It would be a disruptive technology. Bootfitters would be less utilized, and how shops/manufacturers make income on boots would change. Ideally, any boot could fit any skier, which would also conflict with the differentiation that allows ski boots to sell. Some boots have a narrower toe box or other dimensions that allows them to work for a certain foot type. I don't know a lot about boot fitting, but I would assume there is only a small margin with which the bootfitter can play before he compromises the integrity of the plastic shell of a boot.If the technology ever reaches that capability people will get a product better suited to their natural movements and structure.
May 5 2016 8:52PM
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HaydenWrong
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.otto.tell me more



well i dont know anything just know he's very creative an stoked to see his work here in the next few years !!!! plus hes a local alaskan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6 2016 8:04AM
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YunGBlood
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ski blades are coming back.
May 6 2016 8:53AM
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Jon_Taffer
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senorelsondro3D printed ski boot shells. Everyone's foot is different and no rigid, plastic shell is going to fit you perfectly. If shops had a scanner that maps the contours of your foot, this information could be sent to the manufacturer who could produce and ship a boot specifically made for you.

It would be a disruptive technology. Bootfitters would be less utilized, and how shops/manufacturers make income on boots would change. Ideally, any boot could fit any skier, which would also conflict with the differentiation that allows ski boots to sell. Some boots have a narrower toe box or other dimensions that allows them to work for a certain foot type. I don't know a lot about boot fitting, but I would assume there is only a small margin with which the bootfitter can play before he compromises the integrity of the plastic shell of a boot.If the technology ever reaches that capability people will get a product better suited to their natural movements and structure.

Fucking genius. Even if it's not 3D printed custom boot shells are the way of the future
May 6 2016 9:27AM
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ROBOT
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Get this! How about skis that are just like ONE big/wide ski. But in order to have more control over turning you stand SIDEWAYS!! Might be too futuristic but hey, idk.
May 6 2016 2:19PM
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