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corona
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are there any Americans who would actually consider leaving your country if he wins?

will anyone's life actually change or is everyone just complaining for no reason.

either way, sucks to suck. your field of candidates is pretty terrible.
Mar 1 2016 1:40PM
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dyer
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Momo.I would scoot right out of this country if Trump wins.


Let's go to Canada
Mar 1 2016 9:00PM
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Momo.
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dyerLet's go to Canada


Move to BC and shred Whistler?
Mar 1 2016 9:15PM
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Peter.
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Huck_NorrisIt blows my mind how many people just swallow what he's jizzing without question.


you can say this about bernie too..
Mar 1 2016 9:25PM
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S.J.W
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Peter.you can say this about bernie too..


Hardly, Bernie wouldn't even be consider extreme in pretty much every other developed nation.
Mar 1 2016 10:28PM
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rememberscott
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if trump wins either America is going to be great again or were heading into WW3.
Mar 1 2016 10:32PM
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Peter.
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S.J.WHardly, Bernie wouldn't even be consider extreme in pretty much every other developed nation.


that has absolutely nothing to do with the point he was making. he said people blindly follow and believe anything trump says, and that is certainly the case with the bulk of bernie's supporters
Mar 2 2016 1:28AM
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S.J.W
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Peter.that has absolutely nothing to do with the point he was making. he said people blindly follow and believe anything trump says, and that is certainly the case with the bulk of bernie's supporters


That's literally politics in a nutshell. You will have democrats following democrats, Trump fans following Trump, Sanders supporters following Sanders. If you're shocked at how much a circle jerk politics is then you're most likely 18 and this is your first election you're following.
Mar 2 2016 2:48AM
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S.J.W
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2016: Trump won't win.

2017: Can Trump pass that?

2018: You ready for the purge tonight?
Mar 2 2016 3:15AM
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onenerdykid
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Phil-X-Im not saying Trump is going to make a great president, but hes the lesser of two evils.


If Hillary is elected POTUS, then we would basically have another Obama in office. I don't see any reason to expect that she wouldn't be a continuation of Obama. Not fantastic, but not nearly as bad as Bush (who ranks as one of the all-time worst presidents on record). Electing Hillary would be a continuation of a fairly ok thing.

If Trump is elected POTUS, then I think we have a lot of to be concerned about. Trump is a loose cannon, definitely guided by his emotions, rather than reason & evidence. He literally changes his mind from one week to the next about certain issues for no reason whatsoever. He's really like an emotional, powerful child that has one of the worst fact-check records of any candidate. He actually doesn't tell it like it is and lies far more than Hillary. Plus, people's argument that he is the best option for POTUS because he is unfiltered, non-establishment, self-funded, etc. is a non-starter because we have that same thing with Bernie. If people are truly concerned about that and think that is what ultimately matters, then there is just as much reason to vote for Trump as there is for Bernie.

Ultimately, there is way more risk with Trump becoming POTUS rather than Hillary. Hillary is by FAR not the ideal president but she won't erode women's rights or voting rights. She won't promote discrimination. She will basically continue with what Obama has set in motion. If Trump is elected, there will most likely be a continual setback in women's rights & voting rights, a huge increase in racial/gay/religious discrimination, and who knows what will happen in regards to foreign relations. To say that Trump is the lesser of two evils in regards to Hillary is not founded on what we are seeing in the day-to-day political landscape.
Mar 2 2016 5:02AM
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KravtZ
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Hillary would be 1000000000000000x worse americans are some of the dumbest voters on the planet. I welcome such a wild card to the president I would and likely will vote for him. It can't get worse than the past 8 years
Mar 2 2016 8:36AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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KravtZHillary would be 1000000000000000x worse americans are some of the dumbest voters on the planet. I welcome such a wild card to the president I would and likely will vote for him. It can't get worse than the past 8 years


Yes it can. And id say last 16.
Mar 2 2016 8:38AM
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corona
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KravtZHillary would be 1000000000000000x worse americans are some of the dumbest voters on the planet. I welcome such a wild card to the president I would and likely will vote for him. It can't get worse than the past 8 years


out of curiosity, what exactly has made the last 8 years so terrible for you?
Mar 2 2016 9:08AM
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KravtZ
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VinnieFout of curiosity, what exactly has made the last 8 years so terrible for you?


Not for me personally...but its quite obvious the US recovery has been much worse than this administration has touted. Not to mention the horrific policies put forth in terms of international relations, obamacare (which is a mathmatical failure), etc
Mar 2 2016 9:34AM
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corona
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KravtZNot for me personally...but its quite obvious the US recovery has been much worse than this administration has touted. Not to mention the horrific policies put forth in terms of international relations, obamacare (which is a mathmatical failure), etc


compared to many other G20 nations the US is doing quite well right now. Obviously not 1950s prosperity, but still, fairly good on the global scale.

Honestly, I wouldn't be complaining too much. the last 8 years were no worse than the 8 before and will be no worse than the following 8.
Mar 2 2016 10:05AM
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corona
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lol at the how much these search results from Google jumped yesterday

Mar 2 2016 10:18AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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KravtZNot for me personally...but its quite obvious the US recovery has been much worse than this administration has touted. Not to mention the horrific policies put forth in terms of international relations, obamacare (which is a mathmatical failure), etc


But was Obama really worse than Bush? The country seems to being doing better than the 2000-2008 era.

Obamacare sucks. It was rushed. You cant change an entire system as quickly as they tried. But at least all Americans are now covered. At least their coverage cant be dropped or they cant be denied for the excessive list of preexisting conditions (like diabetes wtf...) At least nearly 50 million Americans can now recieve healthcare they used to be unable to afford. Including many of the 9/11 first responders (still alive) that were get next to nothing for healthcare in the wake of 9/11. The system needs to be fixed and refined, but the foundation has already been laid.
Mar 2 2016 10:19AM
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ImNotARacist
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Mar 2 2016 10:27AM
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KravtZ
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Granite_StateBut was Obama really worse than Bush? The country seems to being doing better than the 2000-2008 era.

Obamacare sucks. It was rushed. You cant change an entire system as quickly as they tried. But at least all Americans are now covered. At least their coverage cant be dropped or they cant be denied for the excessive list of preexisting conditions (like diabetes wtf...) At least nearly 50 million Americans can now recieve healthcare they used to be unable to afford. Including many of the 9/11 first responders (still alive) that were get next to nothing for healthcare in the wake of 9/11. The system needs to be fixed and refined, but the foundation has already been laid.


If you don't pay for it you get a fine. Many many people's deductibles rose a huge amount. Obamacare basically takes the people who pay taxes/into the system and gives to those who dont. Most people aren't doing it since they have employer insurance. Its a massive massive failure. Mathmatically its a massive failure. It cannot last. Obama is one of the worst presidents in modern US history. Much worse than Bush. Its funny how most people seem to forget so easily how a ton of people wanted to go to war after 9/11. Bush was much better than the media portrays him. Not to mention Obama has been here for TWO terms now. Bush is in the past.
Mar 2 2016 11:12AM
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Gryllz
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Donald Duck

Trump Train
Mar 2 2016 11:30AM
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Davin
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I honestly believe if he wins he won't be as extreme as he claims. To be able to gain the kind of power to run for president and be a front runner you have to be smart. You need something unique.

How did the kardasians get famous? Doing absolutely stupid shit. America glorifies stupid shit and that creates fame.

I believe trump understands this and is basing his campaign on getting everyone to talk about him. It's worked so far
Mar 2 2016 11:50AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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KravtZIf you don't pay for it you get a fine. Many many people's deductibles rose a huge amount. Obamacare basically takes the people who pay taxes/into the system and gives to those who dont. Most people aren't doing it since they have employer insurance. Its a massive massive failure. Mathmatically its a massive failure. It cannot last. Obama is one of the worst presidents in modern US history. Much worse than Bush. Its funny how most people seem to forget so easily how a ton of people wanted to go to war after 9/11. Bush was much better than the media portrays him. Not to mention Obama has been here for TWO terms now. Bush is in the past.


Agree to disagree then. Bush was a god aweful president. His approval rating was one of the lowest all time. He got us into two wars and when the majority of Americans wanted out he refused to even consider a plan to leave. He handled Iraq terribly. He handled Katrina terribly. Unemployment was on the rise for more than half his presidency. He took an insane amount of vacation, especially early on when intel on possible terrorist attacks flooded in. He swindled his way into the presidency. He was a moron who could barely get through a speech without a fuck up. Ill debate you all day on who was a worse president.
Mar 2 2016 12:23PM
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KravtZ
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Granite_StateAgree to disagree then. Bush was a god aweful president. His approval rating was one of the lowest all time. He got us into two wars and when the majority of Americans wanted out he refused to even consider a plan to leave. He handled Iraq terribly. He handled Katrina terribly. Unemployment was on the rise for more than half his presidency. He took an insane amount of vacation, especially early on when intel on possible terrorist attacks flooded in. He swindled his way into the presidency. He was a moron who could barely get through a speech without a fuck up. Ill debate you all day on who was a worse president.


Look what happened when we pulled troops out of Iraq. ISIS rose to power within weeks. Now look at the mess we have. The president has info none of us could dream of. I'm sure he knew this would happen
Mar 2 2016 12:24PM
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onenerdykid
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KravtZObama is one of the worst presidents in modern US history. Much worse than Bush. Its funny how most people seem to forget so easily how a ton of people wanted to go to war after 9/11. Bush was much better than the media portrays him.


Statistically speaking, this article puts Obama at about 17th when ranking all Presidents of the USA; George W. Bush ranks 38th. While it is an article from 2013, it doesn't change the ranking of Presidents prior to Obama. What will be interesting to see is where Obama ends up once his presidency is completely over. Given his success with the bank bailout, the US auto industry revamp, decreasing the unemployment rate, being the President who ordered the kill on Bin Laden, ending discrimination of gays in the military, legalized gay marriage, avoiding a scandal, etc. I have a difficult time believing that he would end up ranking worse than G.W. Bush. I don't think he is a great President, but he most likely will end up ranking as a better-than-average President, which cannot be said for G.W. Bush.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/contemplating-obamas-place-in-history-statistically/?_r=2
Mar 2 2016 12:34PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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KravtZLook what happened when we pulled troops out of Iraq. ISIS rose to power within weeks. Now look at the mess we have. The president has info none of us could dream of. I'm sure he knew this would happen


Haha I guess thats what happens when you invade the country and overthrow the dictator that was helping keep groups like this at bay/from forming.

Not to mention the Bush administration had absolutely no plan for occupation...
Mar 2 2016 12:58PM
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Logey.
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S.J.WIf you think Trumps motivations are going to be any different to Hilary's then you're delusional. Did you read the link I posted about Trumps tax plan? It's terrible for everyone except the super rich. Trump running for president is the exact same as BP donating money to Hillary's campaign. Both are going to continue this trickle down economic bullshit that we've seen since Reageen and the wealth gap is just going to continue to increase.


Is it really that bad? 0 taxes for anyone that makes under $20,000 dollars? And virtually everyone else pays a flat 25%? Also he would fix this ridiculous corporate tax that america seems to somehow justify. I always lawl when Bernie says that he is going to force corporate america to pay the 35% tax rate, its about as feasible as trump building a 50 foot tall 1000 mile wall at the border. We need a president that will bring money back into this country. Whether that is a republican fixing our trade deficits and bringing back businesses, or a president that will fix our deteriorating higher education system, something has to happen. Also, fuck Hilary.
Mar 2 2016 1:14PM
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Peter.
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S.J.WThat's literally politics in a nutshell. You will have democrats following democrats, Trump fans following Trump, Sanders supporters following Sanders. If you're shocked at how much a circle jerk politics is then you're most likely 18 and this is your first election you're following.


i'm understand this. i was just trying to point out that it works both ways. people blindly follow bernie just as much as they blindly follow trump. that's all i was trying to say. good lord, i swear you just sit at home and refresh these threads waiting to pounce on anyone who posts in them
Mar 2 2016 1:59PM
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Steezy_G
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Peter.that has absolutely nothing to do with the point he was making. he said people blindly follow and believe anything trump says, and that is certainly the case with the bulk of bernie's supporters


actually, during the cold war Bernie probably wouldve been locked up.
Mar 2 2016 2:07PM
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J.D.
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dyerLet's go to Canada


http://cbiftrumpwins.com/

This is amazing.
Mar 2 2016 2:29PM
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rememberscott
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onenerdykidStatistically speaking, this article puts Obama at about 17th when ranking all Presidents of the USA; George W. Bush ranks 38th. While it is an article from 2013, it doesn't change the ranking of Presidents prior to Obama. What will be interesting to see is where Obama ends up once his presidency is completely over. Given his success with the bank bailout, the US auto industry revamp, decreasing the unemployment rate, being the President who ordered the kill on Bin Laden, ending discrimination of gays in the military, legalized gay marriage, avoiding a scandal, etc. I have a difficult time believing that he would end up ranking worse than G.W. Bush. I don't think he is a great President, but he most likely will end up ranking as a better-than-average President, which cannot be said for G.W. Bush.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/contemplating-obamas-place-in-history-statistically/?_r=2


you're actually giving Obama credit for getting rid of Bin Laden? hah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpBwmN66As
Mar 2 2016 3:32PM
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S.J.W
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Logey.Is it really that bad? 0 taxes for anyone that makes under $20,000 dollars? And virtually everyone else pays a flat 25%? Also he would fix this ridiculous corporate tax that america seems to somehow justify. I always lawl when Bernie says that he is going to force corporate america to pay the 35% tax rate, its about as feasible as trump building a 50 foot tall 1000 mile wall at the border. We need a president that will bring money back into this country. Whether that is a republican fixing our trade deficits and bringing back businesses, or a president that will fix our deteriorating higher education system, something has to happen. Also, fuck Hilary.


A flat tax rate works fine in theory, just like communism. However pretty much every economist will agree that a progressive tax rate is the best. It's just hard to argue how much is too much. Now Trumps tax plan is terrible, not because it's a flat tax, but because it's terrible. I suggest you read this analysis of Trumps tax plan. Now, if he some how starts cutting areas then it could work, but as many other economists have predicted, this tax plan will only widen the wealth gap between the rich and the poor.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/2000560-an-analysis-of-donald-trumps-tax-plan.pdf

And as far as bringing business back into the country. The only jobs that are being offshored are entry level, no skill needed manufacturing jobs. So if you want your car, tv, whatever to cost more then sure go ahead and vote for whoever wants to put up tariffs again on trade.

And as far as Bernie not being able to achieve closing tax loopholes. It's very achievable, many other countries have closed tax loop holes. It just takes time and smart people.
Mar 2 2016 4:39PM
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ImNotARacist
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If Trump wins, my 75 year old grandmother has told me she will be moving to Whistler🤘🏼
Mar 2 2016 4:42PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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HP123you're actually giving Obama credit for getting rid of Bin Laden? hah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpBwmN66As


At least he wasnt friends with the Bin Ladens like the Bush family...
Mar 2 2016 4:50PM
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tightlines
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Google said that the highest search was "How to move to canada" after the results of super tuesday.
Mar 2 2016 5:13PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Granite_StateAt least he wasnt friends with the Bin Ladens like the Bush family...


The Bin Ladens are a massive family..come on now. Lets make sure we are accurate here. They are/were a very wealthy family in an "allied" country with a massive oil company that has connections with the Royal Family. It was very likely the families would cross at some point in time.
Mar 2 2016 5:15PM
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GayWolf420
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just gonna go skiing cuz thats all their is left to do. Its clear this country doesnt want change nor to improve it for current and future generations so why bother trying? Its just a shit slinging name calling fest if you try and hold some sort of civil, intelligent discussion to try and make compromises.

Also killing all the baby boomers would help too. Nothing like the generation that did royally fuck everything up telling youngsters "how it should be".

its all fucked and i just have no ambition to be a part of a broken corrupt coporate system that oppresses everyone and only benefits the rich. Ill vote and participate but it will be lackluster knowing it doesnt mean diddly fuckin squat.
Mar 2 2016 5:28PM
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Campeador
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THEPROPHET



Never underestimate how smug leftists are the world over.

I know the leftists in Europe are shitting bricks at how a Trump victory could potentially reverberate throughout Europe.
Mar 2 2016 6:10PM
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S.J.W
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CampeadorNever underestimate how smug leftists are the world over.

I know the leftists in Europe are shitting bricks at how a Trump victory could potentially reverberate throughout Europe.


Even the right wing party in Australia is laughing at Trump. It's not just the left, it's literally everyone who isn't a neo-conservative. One House of reps back bencher was on morning TV and said he couldn't take Trump serious as president.
Mar 2 2016 6:17PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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.MASSHOLE.The Bin Ladens are a massive family..come on now. Lets make sure we are accurate here. They are/were a very wealthy family in an "allied" country with a massive oil company that has connections with the Royal Family. It was very likely the families would cross at some point in time.


24 of them were allowed to leave the country two days after 9/11 when no other flights were allowed in the sky less the military. I understand Osama was the outcast of the family but to let 24 members leave without questioning them was a very interesting call.

They had obvious ties with the Saudi's Im not denying that. The Bushes knew oil and I think thats a main reason we ended up in the middle east twice under both of them.
Mar 2 2016 6:20PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Granite_State24 of them were allowed to leave the country two days after 9/11 when no other flights were allowed in the sky less the military. I understand Osama was the outcast of the family but to let 24 members leave without questioning them was a very interesting call.

They had obvious ties with the Saudi's Im not denying that. The Bushes knew oil and I think thats a main reason we ended up in the middle east twice under both of them.


Id like to think it was for personal safety reasons. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in the US with a name like Bin Laden after the attacks. Money can buy a lot, especially if you know a diplomat or King. Still it is not a great look. All we can do is speculate why though.

I don't think we went to Afghanistan for oil (I don't think there is any there either, but I may be wrong) but there certainly is a lot of evidence pointing towards our Iraq invasion as being oil-motivated.
Mar 2 2016 6:26PM
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Campeador
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S.J.WEven the right wing party in Australia is laughing at Trump. It's not just the left, it's literally everyone who isn't a neo-conservative. One House of reps back bencher was on morning TV and said he couldn't take Trump serious as president.



Ironic, given how Australia solved its "refugee" problem.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/780984/No-Way--You-will-not-make-Australia-home---English
Mar 2 2016 6:42PM
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S.J.W
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CampeadorIronic, given how Australia solved its "refugee" problem.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/780984/No-Way--You-will-not-make-Australia-home---English


Really don't see how it's ironic.

But when you have a government who made it illegal to report rapes and other crimes in detention centre questioning Trump and laughing at him, you know Trump is going to be fucked with international relations.
Mar 2 2016 6:47PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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.MASSHOLE.Id like to think it was for personal safety reasons. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in the US with a name like Bin Laden after the attacks. Money can buy a lot, especially if you know a diplomat or King. Still it is not a great look. All we can do is speculate why though.

I don't think we went to Afghanistan for oil (I don't think there is any there either, but I may be wrong) but there certainly is a lot of evidence pointing towards our Iraq invasion as being oil-motivated.


No oil, they wanted to run a pipeline through the country. Ill try to track down the source I heard it from.

The Bushes were very shady.
Mar 2 2016 6:47PM
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Campeador
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S.J.WReally don't see how it's ironic.

But when you have a government who made it illegal to report rapes and other crimes in detention centre questioning Trump and laughing at him, you know Trump is going to be fucked with international relations.



That is because you are a moron, the similarities in both plans are obvious.

Trump will be just fine, he definitely can't be any worse than the Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer we've got now.

I have high hopes for his relationship with Putin. Russia is a natural ally against Islam.

And lastly, not reporting Muslims raping little girls and committing crimes is not isolated to Australian detention centers, Germany and the rest of Western Europe have gotten pretty good at it too.
Mar 2 2016 6:56PM
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S.J.W
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CampeadorThat is because you are a moron, the similarities in both plans are obvious.

Trump will be just fine, he definitely can't be any worse than the Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer we've got now.

I have high hopes for his relationship with Putin. Russia is a natural ally against Islam.

And lastly, not reporting Muslims raping little girls and committing crimes is not isolated to Australian detention centers, Germany and the rest of Western Europe have gotten pretty good at it too.


You've got no idea about Australia and you should really stop talking and do a little bit of research.

For one, Australia does accept about 13,000 asylum seekers a year. The video you posted is nothing but a scare tactic for boat people.

And Trump loves Muslims. Did you miss the part where he said he loves muslims? Trump is nothing but an islamic sympathizer. He might as well just join ISIS he seems to love them so much.

Also the majority of asylum seekers on christmas Island and Manus Island aren't muslim. They're hindu and buddhist. Only about 20% of asylum seekers are muslim in detention centres. And the law applies to officials raping and hurting the asylum seekers. Not the asylum seekers raping other asylum seekers. Fucking hell. You know nothing. You're just a little paranoid idiot.
Mar 2 2016 7:08PM
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Campeador
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S.J.WFor one, Australia does accept about 13,000 asylum seekers a year. The video you posted is nothing but a scare tactic for boat people.

Also the majority of asylum seekers on christmas Island and Manus Island aren't muslim. They're hindu and buddhist. Only about 20% of asylum seekers are muslim in detention centres. And the law applies to officials raping and hurting the asylum seekers. Not the asylum seekers raping other asylum seekers. Fucking hell. You know nothing. You're just a little paranoid idiot.


I digress, you're right. It's more difficult for them to rape each other when they're all men.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-34773875

Just wonderful, salt of the Earth people you've got coming in. A riot after one Muslim killed another Muslim, surprise surprise.

By the way, if you make claims on demographic statistics, you should back those claims up.
Mar 2 2016 7:24PM
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corona
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J.D.http://cbiftrumpwins.com/

This is amazing.


They forgot to mention there are no jobs, even for the people who currently live there.
Mar 2 2016 7:29PM
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J.D.
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Sure, but given that most of the people coming in will apparently be celebrities, they don't need the work.
Mar 2 2016 7:36PM
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Logey.
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S.J.WA flat tax rate works fine in theory, just like communism. However pretty much every economist will agree that a progressive tax rate is the best. It's just hard to argue how much is too much. Now Trumps tax plan is terrible, not because it's a flat tax, but because it's terrible. I suggest you read this analysis of Trumps tax plan. Now, if he some how starts cutting areas then it could work, but as many other economists have predicted, this tax plan will only widen the wealth gap between the rich and the poor.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/2000560-an-analysis-of-donald-trumps-tax-plan.pdf

And as far as bringing business back into the country. The only jobs that are being offshored are entry level, no skill needed manufacturing jobs. So if you want your car, tv, whatever to cost more then sure go ahead and vote for whoever wants to put up tariffs again on trade.

And as far as Bernie not being able to achieve closing tax loopholes. It's very achievable, many other countries have closed tax loop holes. It just takes time and smart people.


I mean we can go around and pick reputable sources that prove our points all day, http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan, but both plans seem to benefit the lower class in some way. The difference is that Bernie's plan puts more of a burden on the middle and upper class, whereas Trumps plan will keep it equal all of the way through.
Also, if Bernie tried to actually push the business tax onto the businesses that are using holding companies to evade it, they would just move their actual corporation to a different country. 39% is absurd, even in the most democratic/socialist society. It deters people from starting small businesses and discourages anyone making profits. You can't just say that smart people will make businesses start paying because they are smart.
I had a mild chuckle at this line, "So if you want your car, tv, whatever to cost more then sure go ahead and vote for whoever wants to put up tariffs again on trade", because if we look at any socialist country in Europe, which all of very similar plans that Bernie imposes, you would see that the cost of the commodities that you listed are all about 1.5x the amount it costs here in america.
Mar 2 2016 7:40PM
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doot
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I'll move to whistler
Mar 2 2016 8:12PM
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