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Matthew.maz15
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So i purchased some Salomon NFX's on January 8, 2016 and after riding them for 3 days (18 hours) the edge is cracked underfoot. I understand that it may not rip out and be of any concern, but it could. Do you guys think this should be considered a manufacturers defect considering the ski hasn't been used for over 18 hours and I have only owned them for 11 days? let me know your opinion. Thanks.
Jan 19 2016 9:53PM
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bait
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Depends what you did to the skis.

If you hit a fat tube rail, and did nothing onto the rail, and weigh 120 pounds, then yes contact them. They fucked up.

If you did a 20 foot disaster to the donkey dick of a skinny ass rail, and weigh 300 pounds, then no, don't contact them. You fucked up.
Jan 19 2016 10:03PM
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Matthew.maz15
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baitDepends what you did to the skis.

If you hit a fat tube rail, and did nothing onto the rail, and weigh 120 pounds, then yes contact them. They fucked up.

If you did a 20 foot disaster to the donkey dick of a skinny ass rail, and weigh 300 pounds, then no, don't contact them. You fucked up.




well I weigh around 180, did no crazy gaps and yeah to be honest I mostly hit fat tube rails and i have only tricked out of the rail
Jan 19 2016 10:05PM
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Matthew.maz15well I weigh around 180, did no crazy gaps and yeah to be honest I mostly hit fat tube rails and i have only tricked out of the rail


They fucked up. The edge was probably not properly heat treated, and hardened too much. You deserve a new ski
Jan 19 2016 10:12PM
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Session
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baitThey fucked up. The edge was probably not properly heat treated, and hardened too much. You deserve a new ski


Actually, he probably didn't detune like a gaper. I highly doubt your theory holds water.
Jan 19 2016 10:15PM
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Matthew.maz15
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SessionActually, he probably didn't detune like a gaper. I highly doubt your theory holds water.


Actually i got them mounted and detuned by my local ski shop... no need to be a dick. im pretty knowledgable...
Jan 19 2016 10:40PM
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Matthew.maz15
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baitThey fucked up. The edge was probably not properly heat treated, and hardened too much. You deserve a new ski


Yeah that was my assumption too. Im trying to contact Salomon but they have a pretty poorly designed website in terms of customer service... have to call tomorrow I guess
Jan 19 2016 10:43PM
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Blake.P
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its part of skiing. I've ridden less than 10 days on my factions and already have like 4 edge cracks
Jan 19 2016 11:56PM
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.squirrely.
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Unless you have Revisions or another company with a rad warranty policy (not salomon or any big brand) your warranty is completely voided the second you hit a rail.
Jan 20 2016 12:01AM
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Caucasian_Asian
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Matthew.maz15Yeah that was my assumption too. Im trying to contact Salomon but they have a pretty poorly designed website in terms of customer service... have to call tomorrow I guess


Go through the shop you bought them from.
Jan 20 2016 8:00AM
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KravtZ
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I will never understand how rail rats continue to complain..you slam your skis on metal and what not all day. Of course they will crack. It sucks it happened to so early but thats life.
Jan 20 2016 8:56AM
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ABskier
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sand/wax/brush away your rail marks and send them in for a warranty. say it happened just skiing.
Jan 20 2016 9:39AM
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broto
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Blake.Pits part of skiing. I've ridden less than 10 days on my factions and already have like 4 edge cracks


no, factions are just made like shit as well. i've seen a friend get the same pair of factions warrantied 3 times this season already. my filthy riches took a couple months before the first hairline edge cracks showed up.
Jan 20 2016 12:44PM
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Blake.P
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brotono, factions are just made like shit as well. i've seen a friend get the same pair of factions warrantied 3 times this season already. my filthy riches took a couple months before the first hairline edge cracks showed up.


Took about two weeks to start getting cracks on my filthy riches. After a season and a half, I've got a number of cracks on them. Also, I've seen a friend of mine absolutely destroy a pair of presters (edges are cracked beyond belief and starting to lose sections) in a season. I love on3p skis, but the durability is overrated on here. Anytime you like do hit a ton of rails and do big disasters and stuff, the edges are going to crack
Jan 20 2016 1:01PM
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tomPietrowski
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Matthew.maz15Yeah that was my assumption too. Im trying to contact Salomon but they have a pretty poorly designed website in terms of customer service... have to call tomorrow I guess


In all honesty if you have done 18houra of rails you are lucky just to have one edge crack. Cracks will happen and they will happen to every ski if you are ridin rails regularly.

Nothing to worry about though. Keep them deburred and if they begin to lift just glue back down but usually cracks don't get to bad as long as you care for your ski.

No point trying to warranty as it is user damage so not covered, but if you ever need a warranty contact a salomon dealer, preferably the ones you got the skis from and have them deal with the warenty.
Jan 20 2016 6:36PM
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Huck_Norris
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Matthew.maz15Actually i got them mounted and detuned by my local ski shop... no need to be a dick. im pretty knowledgable...




If you were half as knowledgeable as you think you are, you'd be fully aware that by doing ANY rails is saying "Yes, I am going to crack my edges doing this and I'm fine with that."

It may happen the first time and it may not happen for a month, but it's going to happen. If you cared you wouldn't fucking do it. .
Jan 21 2016 11:45AM
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Matthew.maz15
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Huck_NorrisIf you were half as knowledgeable as you think you are, you'd be fully aware that by doing ANY rails is saying "Yes, I am going to crack my edges doing this and I'm fine with that."

It may happen the first time and it may not happen for a month, but it's going to happen. If you cared you wouldn't fucking do it. .




I am aware that it will happen but 3 days is sort of crazy if you ask me. My traveling circus's lasted me an entire season (22 days) of riding before a single edge crack. The edge is supposed to compress before it cracks... this edge looks brand new and its got a nice crack in it. I just think its odd.

And isn't the whole idea of fatty edges on park skis to be more durable? Compare a park ski to a traditional downhill ski... edges are much thicker on a park ski. WHY? because they adapt to their intended use. No need to be a smartass.
Jan 24 2016 9:29PM
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Matthew.maz15
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KravtZI will never understand how rail rats continue to complain..you slam your skis on metal and what not all day. Of course they will crack. It sucks it happened to so early but thats life.


Im not really a rail rat... rode jumps 3/4 of the days and didnt do any disasters or swaps on them soo.....
Jan 24 2016 9:30PM
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Matthew.maz15
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KravtZI will never understand how rail rats continue to complain..you slam your skis on metal and what not all day. Of course they will crack. It sucks it happened to so early but thats life.


Im not really a rail rat... rode jumps 3/4 of the days and didnt do any disasters or swaps on them soo.....
Jan 24 2016 9:30PM
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Bogs
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Considering you've been skiing rails, don't be surprised if they don't warranty the ski. You can try, but I dunno how good your chances are. If you picked your ski up and swung it into a metal post, they wouldn't warranty it. This isn't much different.

But as someone said, do it through the shop you bought the ski from/your local shop. At the very least they can save you the cost of shipping the ski by calling Salomon ahead of time and seeing what they would do.
Jan 24 2016 9:38PM
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Huck_Norris
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Matthew.maz15And isn't the whole idea of fatty edges on park skis to be more durable? Compare a park ski to a traditional downhill ski... edges are much thicker on a park ski. WHY? because they adapt to their intended use. No need to be a smartass.



Not really. Any specialty ski will generally have beefier edges and bases. The intended use still isn't taking them down rails, and while the manufacturers *try* to beef up the ski, there straight up is no telling when an edge will break from that kind of force. The variables are infinite. ON3Ps are about as beefcake as skis get @2.5 edges and even they get cracks on rails. It's just a thing you have to accept if that's what you're going to do with them.
Jan 24 2016 10:48PM
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Lemuel
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Matthew.maz15The edge is supposed to compress before it cracks... this edge looks brand new and its got a nice crack in it. I just think its odd.

And isn't the whole idea of fatty edges on park skis to be more durable? Compare a park ski to a traditional downhill ski... edges are much thicker on a park ski. WHY? because they adapt to their intended use. No need to be a smartass.


Since when are edges "supposed" to compress instead of crack? If you hit rails, your edges will do both, there is no rule of thumb saying one will or should happen first.
Jan 25 2016 9:48AM
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StuckWithOH
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Happened to me and a lot of other people so if you wanna do park just get used to it
Jan 25 2016 10:37AM
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Matthew.maz15
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LemuelSince when are edges "supposed" to compress instead of crack? If you hit rails, your edges will do both, there is no rule of thumb saying one will or should happen first.


you see thats where you're sorta wrong... when you get your ski edge, its still very soft for a metal and hasnt gone through very much pressure. As you ski the edge, the impacts and use/abuse that the ski get will compress the metal on your edge. once the edges become compressed, they harden, become brittle and cracks begin to develop... a soft edge "should" theoretically compress if it has gone through any significant impact, not crack.
Jan 25 2016 2:56PM
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NH_OPERATOR
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Matthew.maz15you see thats where you're sorta wrong... when you get your ski edge, its still very soft for a metal and hasnt gone through very much pressure. As you ski the edge, the impacts and use/abuse that the ski get will compress the metal on your edge. once the edges become compressed, they harden, become brittle and cracks begin to develop... a soft edge "should" theoretically compress if it has gone through any significant impact, not crack.


This is not correct, ski edges do not compress, they may shave, bend and warp, but compression is not one of a ski edge property. If they are compressing it is because they are also getting wider and pushing into the ski. Imagine flattening a thing of silly putty with a book. That effect.

Anyway, depending on damage you may get some companies to warantee the skis even after rail use. Head gave me a new pair after about 20 days on one of their sets when an entire edge pulled out from the tip of the ski. Be aware that if by some chance you get a warantee, some companies will take on the order of MONTHS not weeks to get you a new set. You are getting a free pair of 400+ dollar sticks, they are not in a hurry to get them to you.

Many people seriously under estimate the abuse you can put a pair of park skis through and still have them ride decently. I have a pair of k2 presses that are 4 seasons old now, and are finally to the point where I only pull them out on days I will be doing grass gaps and metal stair sets. I epoxed large chunks of the edges back in numorous times and it works well. Its only when you lose the edge bits that things start to get a bit jenky. Still, I rode that pair the first 2 weeks of the season and they were missing probably 6 inches of edge overall and I could hit rails in the park with no issue.
Jan 26 2016 12:00AM
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