Salomon sth2 vs Rossi Fks 120/140.

Maybe your forward pressure could be higher? Maybe your boot soles are a little worn? Maybe you do need to to turn your dins up? When bindings get set by a shop, a din chart doesnt account for switch landings, butter, jumps, ect. What din are you riding at currently and what is your bsl?

I own both but unfortunately haven't gotten to the STH2 13s yet. Ive got about 25 days on my pivots (same as FKS) and love them. Weirdly I also have attack 13s and have about 3 days on them and have pros and cons of both (attacks and pivots, sorry for no sth2 13).

Step in: Attack 13
Cosmetic damage: Attack 13
brake durability: tie
replacements: attack 13
overall feeling in binding: Pivot/FKS
release: Pivot/FKS
Weight: Attack 13
Performance: Pivot but not by much
price: Attack 13

Overall winner:Tie?

Both bindings have different pros and cons, and really I don't have a preference. I feel a subtle difference while clicked in the pivot that i like but step ins, cosmetic and small things such as. Attacks is overall a well rounded binding, feeling in the binding is fine and work fine. Im only comparing the two because you have experience with the attack so I'm trying to shed light on what you might find with the Pivot, though I think you'll enjoy the Pivots more than the Sth2 13 because imo the Sth2 13 is similar to the tyrolia attack 13.
TLDR: Go for pivots, though I don't think you'll mind the STh2 either

japanadaMaybe your forward pressure could be higher? Maybe your boot soles are a little worn? Maybe you do need to to turn your dins up? When bindings get set by a shop, a din chart doesnt account for switch landings, butter, jumps, ect. What din are you riding at currently and what is your bsl?

Forward pressure is definitely correct. The boots are used for a heavy season so they have some wear not an excessive amount though. I ride at 8 on attacks. 310 bsl.

Swandog7I own both but unfortunately haven't gotten to the STH2 13s yet. Ive got about 25 days on my pivots (same as FKS) and love them. Weirdly I also have attack 13s and have about 3 days on them and have pros and cons of both (attacks and pivots, sorry for no sth2 13).

Step in: Attack 13
Cosmetic damage: Attack 13
brake durability: tie
replacements: attack 13
overall feeling in binding: Pivot/FKS
release: Pivot/FKS
Weight: Attack 13
Performance: Pivot but not by much
price: Attack 13

Overall winner:Tie?

Both bindings have different pros and cons, and really I don't have a preference. I feel a subtle difference while clicked in the pivot that i like but step ins, cosmetic and small things such as. Attacks is overall a well rounded binding, feeling in the binding is fine and work fine. Im only comparing the two because you have experience with the attack so I'm trying to shed light on what you might find with the Pivot, though I think you'll enjoy the Pivots more than the Sth2 13 because imo the Sth2 13 is similar to the tyrolia attack 13.
TLDR: Go for pivots, though I don't think you'll mind the STh2 either

Okay! Thanks for the help man! 10/10.

-peteduncan-Forward pressure is definitely correct. The boots are used for a heavy season so they have some wear not an excessive amount though. I ride at 8 on attacks. 310 bsl.

Forward pressure isnt just one correct setting it is a range and thus the binding will release differently depending on which end of the range it is on. And heavily used boots will release with less stress, esp when the heels are worn, which is typically what wears out first. What do your heels look like? Post up a pic. I would turn the heels up to 9.

Swandog7I own both but unfortunately haven't gotten to the STH2 13s yet. Ive got about 25 days on my pivots (same as FKS) and love them. Weirdly I also have attack 13s and have about 3 days on them and have pros and cons of both (attacks and pivots, sorry for no sth2 13).

Step in: Attack 13
Cosmetic damage: Attack 13
brake durability: tie
replacements: attack 13
overall feeling in binding: Pivot/FKS
release: Pivot/FKS
Weight: Attack 13
Performance: Pivot but not by much
price: Attack 13

Overall winner:Tie?

Both bindings have different pros and cons, and really I don't have a preference. I feel a subtle difference while clicked in the pivot that i like but step ins, cosmetic and small things such as. Attacks is overall a well rounded binding, feeling in the binding is fine and work fine. Im only comparing the two because you have experience with the attack so I'm trying to shed light on what you might find with the Pivot, though I think you'll enjoy the Pivots more than the Sth2 13 because imo the Sth2 13 is similar to the tyrolia attack 13.
TLDR: Go for pivots, though I don't think you'll mind the STh2 either

you forgot probably the most important functions of an FKS/pivot, those being the fact that the pivot has the lowest rack height out of any alpine binding, meaning that it will have you lower to the ski for a more natural feel. To aid the natural flex of the ski is another area where the FKS comes in, with the mounting pattern in the heel being so compact it doesn't hinder the skis ability to flex naturally where as a sth2, typrolia, marker, etc. are all on long track with a wide mounting pattern hindering the natural flex of the ski.

.nastyyou forgot probably the most important functions of an FKS/pivot, those being the fact that the pivot has the lowest rack height out of any alpine binding, meaning that it will have you lower to the ski for a more natural feel. To aid the natural flex of the ski is another area where the FKS comes in, with the mounting pattern in the heel being so compact it doesn't hinder the skis ability to flex naturally where as a sth2, typrolia, marker, etc. are all on long track with a wide mounting pattern hindering the natural flex of the ski.

I was trying to get that at the "overall feel" of the bidning. I meant this. This is an important aspect. Thanks for pointing that out

japanadaForward pressure isnt just one correct setting it is a range and thus the binding will release differently depending on which end of the range it is on. And heavily used boots will release with less stress, esp when the heels are worn, which is typically what wears out first. What do your heels look like? Post up a pic. I would turn the heels up to 9.

forward pressure is on the higher side:

Heres a video of the binding releasing when I don't think it should have. Not perfect but I think it should've stayed on.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/803552/GOPR0043-mp4

The heel lug is chewed up, leaving your boot with not a square edge to engage the heel piece. Happened with my buddy and FKS. You could tighten up the forward pressure a bit and still be within the testing zone and up the dins one or two points. I watched the video, your right foot was good, but the one that popped off, you came down and landed with all the force on the toe of the binding, which in turns has all the force of your heel, pulling up and out of the binding. I think any binding you have will have this issue until you bump up to a din of 9 or 10. Yes, while it may happen 5/10 times at a din of 8 with your current setup, with FKSs it may happen 4/10 times. Not worth another set of holes and 250 bucks.

I really don't think it is an issue with the brand of binding. It could be that your heel lugs are a little chewed up but I doubt that is the issue either, if you really wanted you could take them into a shop and have them release tested.

When you start to ski harder and progress more you really do need to turn up your dins in most cases. Don't go stupid and turn them up to 13, but just play around with going up by 1/2 din increments until you find a setting you like. The din chart is not designed for park skiers or skiers who charge hard.

The attack heel and the pivot heel are my favorite bindings out there, but there really isn't much difference between them IMO. They both have really great elastic travel and both have very low stand heights. The only thing the pivot really has going for it is the short mounting pattern and the "feel" of the pivot heel (which I really like). Any modern binding (except for those irrelevant knee bindings) at the same din will pretty much release in the same exact way, you would have to have skied on every binding on the market for a fuckton of hours to really tell any of the tiny difference in models.

I haven't tried the new attack bindigns with the marker style toe, so I can't voice an opinion on those, but I have heard great things. The Pivot 12/14 toe is pretty shitty IMO, they are cheap plastic and I know too many people who ski hard that have broken them waaay too easily. The 18 din toe is absolutely fucking amazing and people have always loved it's burliness and infinite release angles. This brings me to the Sth2 which has a toe very similar to the design of the pivot 18 but in a lower din range which is great, I'm surprised that they aren't recommended as often on here. I personally haven't skied them, but the old sth bindings were recommended a lot and the even older sth steel bindings are the kind of bindings that crusty old ski bums marry themselves to. The heel is a pretty generic, but proven design. So I would definitely consider the sth2 along with the pivots and attacks.

All in all I'm not a real ski tech and can't give you real advice so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Oh and to actually answer your question my suggestion would be to just keep the attacks and turn up your dins.

But if you really want to try new bindings I would go with the pivot 14 despite how much I hate that toe piece