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A7s with atomos ninja 2

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RockNRollNghtClb
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anyone used this setup? thinkin about upgrading from a gh3
Dec 25 2015 4:59PM
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eheath
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Using a ninja while skiing wouldnt be that great, IMO. or are you speaking outside of skiing? And why a ninja with an a7s?
Dec 26 2015 4:22AM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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for the price of ninja + A7S I'd look into the A7Sii, it's got internal 100mb 4K and the new better design of the A7ii and A7Rii
Dec 26 2015 11:52AM
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RockNRollNghtClb
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idk so i can color grade the footy a bit more, i was thinkin skiin i could maybe just put it in my pocket
Dec 26 2015 9:24PM
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RockNRollNghtClb
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ski.the.eastfor the price of ninja + A7S I'd look into the A7Sii, it's got internal 100mb 4K and the new better design of the A7ii and A7Rii


yeah it doesnt do 4k 60p though
Dec 26 2015 9:27PM
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eheath
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RockNRollNghtClbidk so i can color grade the footy a bit more, i was thinkin skiin i could maybe just put it in my pocket


On paper that could work but i think it'd be pretty annoying IMO and honestly a pointless piece of gear.
Dec 26 2015 9:33PM
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RockNRollNghtClb
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eheathOn paper that could work but i think it'd be pretty annoying IMO and honestly a pointless piece of gear.


yeah im thinkin if i did it id just get the 4k ninja, pretty insane that for about 1600 you can get an a7s and about 970 (with student id) you can get a 4k ninja. for 2570 you can have a camera setup that shoots 4k up to 108060p
Dec 26 2015 9:36PM
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eheath
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RockNRollNghtClbyeah im thinkin if i did it id just get the 4k ninja, pretty insane that for about 1600 you can get an a7s and about 970 (with student id) you can get a 4k ninja. for 2570 you can have a camera setup that shoots 4k up to 108060p


I wouldn't even want to shoot 4k 60, you got a custom computer setup? 4k monitor? Just playing devil's advocate
Dec 26 2015 9:37PM
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RockNRollNghtClb
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eheathI wouldn't even want to shoot 4k 60, you got a custom computer setup? 4k monitor? Just playing devil's advocate


why not? theres like no compression when you watch it at 4k on the web, but ive got a mb with a 4k screen, its annoying tho the gh3 footy looks so fucking good before it hits the web, just want something that will look good online with a decent grade

this looks so nice at 2160

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/803235/SONY-A7s-x-Atomos-Ninja-Assassin-TEST-Movie
Dec 26 2015 9:44PM
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eheath
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RockNRollNghtClbwhy not? theres like no compression when you watch it at 4k on the web, but ive got a mb with a 4k screen, its annoying tho the gh3 footy looks so fucking good before it hits the web, just want something that will look good online with a decent grade

this looks so nice at 2160

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/803235/SONY-A7s-x-Atomos-Ninja-Assassin-TEST-Movie


You won't even be able to edit full res 4k on your computer, just saying.

And you get very caught up with how other peoples shit looks and seem to worry too much about your equipment. Buy new stuff if you want but I think your shit looks fine dude, keep filming with your homies and just have fun, thats when you'll make your favorite edits.
Dec 26 2015 10:17PM
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RockNRollNghtClb
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eheathYou won't even be able to edit full res 4k on your computer, just saying.

And you get very caught up with how other peoples shit looks and seem to worry too much about your equipment. Buy new stuff if you want but I think your shit looks fine dude, keep filming with your homies and just have fun, thats when you'll make your favorite edits.


yea tru tru, but why wont i be able to edit 4k on my computer?
Dec 26 2015 11:33PM
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eheath
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RockNRollNghtClbyea tru tru, but why wont i be able to edit 4k on my computer?


4k 60p at a high bit rate will choke your computer, trust me. 4k from a gh4 made my computer at work choke a bit and thats no where even close to what you're talking about shooting. You need a shit ton of processing power for 4k 60p @300 mpbs like you want.
Dec 27 2015 3:05AM
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cdip
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eheath4k 60p at a high bit rate will choke your computer, trust me. 4k from a gh4 made my computer at work choke a bit and thats no where even close to what you're talking about shooting. You need a shit ton of processing power for 4k 60p @300 mpbs like you want.


My old ass gtx690 slays 4k editing
Dec 27 2015 1:40PM
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Aidin954
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eheath4k 60p at a high bit rate will choke your computer, trust me. 4k from a gh4 made my computer at work choke a bit and thats no where even close to what you're talking about shooting. You need a shit ton of processing power for 4k 60p @300 mpbs like you want.


My pc has no issue with 4k on adobe premiere pro. 32 gigs of ram, i7 4790k, and a gtx 960. I don't see why OP would have an issue if his specs are near that, he can always edit with proxy files too which is much easier.
Dec 27 2015 6:51PM
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eheath
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Aidin954My pc has no issue with 4k on adobe premiere pro. 32 gigs of ram, i7 4790k, and a gtx 960. I don't see why OP would have an issue if his specs are near that, he can always edit with proxy files too which is much easier.


Yeah you have a boss pimp computer dude haha
Dec 27 2015 8:14PM
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CrotchKiller
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RockNRollNghtClbyeah it doesnt do 4k 60p though


Who needs this for skiing? Haha
Dec 27 2015 10:00PM
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RockNRollNghtClb
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CrotchKillerWho needs this for skiing? Haha


great post!
Dec 28 2015 3:14AM
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eheath
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RockNRollNghtClbgreat post!


He has a point dude
Dec 28 2015 3:26AM
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CrotchKiller
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RockNRollNghtClbgreat post!


Thanks! What more do I need to say? You're a pixel peeper who will never be happy with what he's got.

As far as I know you just film your friends skiing, so it's almost laughable to be me that you need a camera that shoots better quality then what your target audience can play back.

Sorry but your gh3 is more then adequate for what you do. Spend the money on some other aspect of your gear.
Dec 28 2015 9:33AM
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dan_swagner
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If you really want better quality. I would look at getting a camera that can shoot 1080p at 422 or 10bit color depth. I would rather shoot 10bit 422 in 1080p than 8bit 4K. But like someone said above, if you are just filming friends for fun and not getting paid to produce videos I don't think it's worth upgrading at this point.
Dec 28 2015 12:58PM
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RockNRollNghtClb
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ok everyone SUE ME for thinking about uprgrading jesus
Dec 28 2015 1:45PM
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eheath
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RockNRollNghtClbok everyone SUE ME for thinking about uprgrading jesus


We're moreso just trying to help you, not ridicule you.
Dec 28 2015 1:49PM
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p.hawks
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Aidin954My pc has no issue with 4k on adobe premiere pro. 32 gigs of ram, i7 4790k, and a gtx 960.


Does the 960 speed things up in premiere (cuda/gpu acceleration)? Just asking because I have a xeon e3 1231v3 (slightly downclocked i7 with no graphics/overclocking), 16gb of ram, and a gtx 980 SC, and it would be sick to be able to use all the power of my 980 for editing (once I have time to edit again).
Dec 28 2015 4:57PM
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Aidin954
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p.hawksDoes the 960 speed things up in premiere (cuda/gpu acceleration)? Just asking because I have a xeon e3 1231v3 (slightly downclocked i7 with no graphics/overclocking), 16gb of ram, and a gtx 980 SC, and it would be sick to be able to use all the power of my 980 for editing (once I have time to edit again).


Before the 960, I was using an overclocked 750Ti and I have noticed significant improvement with CUDA/Mercury playback. Before I upgraded I had a hard time playing back downscaled 4k and now I can play full-res 4k most of the time with no issue even when adding some color correction, effects, etc.
Dec 28 2015 5:17PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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RockNRollNghtClbyeah it doesnt do 4k 60p though


ok...? The Ninja doesn't record 4K 60p either, good luck finding a cam that does in the rough A7S price range, even the new FS5 doesn't do 4K60p
Dec 29 2015 9:41PM
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RockNRollNghtClb
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ski.the.eastok...? The Ninja doesn't record 4K 60p either, good luck finding a cam that does in the rough A7S price range, even the new FS5 doesn't do 4K60p


ok can we just let this thread pass?
Dec 30 2015 3:30AM
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plorr
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A Ninja on an a7s would be absolutely pointless, unless you just needed it as a monitor. It doesn't record 4K, and the A7s doesn't output 10 bit over HDMI. So basically you'll just be making huge ass 10 bit files with a negligible gain in quality over the internal XAVC.

A GH4 with a Ninja might be worth it, since it actually outputs a 10 bit signal. 10 bit GH4 V-Log footage is actually pretty nice to work with. But still, that would be a pretty clunky setup to use on the hill.

When the Blackmagic Micro camera finally ships, that will be another interesting option for shooting action sports. 10 bit 1080p60 with 13 stops and Blackmagic's sexy color science? I'll take that over 4K any day.
Jan 2 2016 11:57AM
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*Bird
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RockNRollNghtClbok everyone SUE ME for thinking about uprgrading jesus


ok then stop listening to everyone and just do it. You got input now make up your mind.
Jan 2 2016 5:33PM
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RockNRollNghtClb
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*Birdok then stop listening to everyone and just do it. You got input now make up your mind.


yo can u stop attacking me
Jan 2 2016 6:22PM
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RockNRollNghtClb
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plorrA Ninja on an a7s would be absolutely pointless, unless you just needed it as a monitor. It doesn't record 4K, and the A7s doesn't output 10 bit over HDMI. So basically you'll just be making huge ass 10 bit files with a negligible gain in quality over the internal XAVC.

A GH4 with a Ninja might be worth it, since it actually outputs a 10 bit signal. 10 bit GH4 V-Log footage is actually pretty nice to work with. But still, that would be a pretty clunky setup to use on the hill.

When the Blackmagic Micro camera finally ships, that will be another interesting option for shooting action sports. 10 bit 1080p60 with 13 stops and Blackmagic's sexy color science? I'll take that over 4K any day.


damn that camera looks really sick, only downfall seems to be 1600 max iso
Jan 2 2016 6:35PM
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plorr
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RockNRollNghtClbdamn that camera looks really sick, only downfall seems to be 1600 max iso


Never been an issue for me on the pocket cam. With a bmpcc speedbooster you gain almost two stops, which would be about Iso 5000. According to a DP I've worked for ISO 5000 at f2.8 is about what your eyes see in darkness at 24fps.
Jan 2 2016 9:50PM
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