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onenerdykidBecause when you are given a choice between 2 different options (ignore for a second that not voting is an option), then one of those options will be closer to the right answer than the other, however slight it may be. Even if a vote for Hillary is a vote for the military industrial complex, it is highly arguable that she would do less damage with it than Trump would. And in that way she is not as bad as Trump.
LonelyCaliforniagrown is getting a lot of hate but what he's saying is correct, even if it's not worded in the nicest way.
ESBJust what I wanted to say. Californiagrown is delivering some political realism for the grown-ups in the room.
Bernie Sanders is fucking rad (as in radical) and should probably be president, but unless you and everyone you know, and everyone they know, mobilize now as unpaid volunteers to convince the majority of Republican voters that Bernie Sanders' interests actually coincide with theirs (which they do), and simultaneously figure out how to outmaneuver the Clinton machine for the Democratic nomination, then the best that Bernie can do is continue to voice his issues, keep his agenda alive, and bow out when the time comes.
Trump has changed the landscape and is apparently capable of redefining who is unelectable and who is not, and as long as he's still in, all bets are off.
californiagrownbrah its called unelectable.
think like an actual adult. Right now youre speaking like a head in the clouds, not in reality 18 year old.
skiermanBrah its called not thinking like a jackass. Try it sometime.
fuckmekevinI’m sick and tired of this way of thinking. None of the options will be closer to the right answer. .
californiagrownBut what about Cruz, Carson, rubio, etc?
Trump won't get the nomination because he is unelectable as well. How does Bernie poll against the other frontrunners on the right?
onenerdykidHere is another poll, from the same source that says Bernie wins against GOP front runners:
"Sanders does just as well, or even better, against top Republicans:
Topping Trump 49 - 41 percent;
Getting 44 percent to Rubio's 43 percent;
Beating Cruz 49 - 39 percent;
Leading Carson 47 - 41 percent."
Poll data from 2 December 2015:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2307
californiagrownhere are some other polls. that are up-to-date. And not from 1 pollster.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html
http://www.270towin.com/2016-polls/2016-general-election-matchups/
onenerdykidBoth polls I posted were both from this month, which is rather up-to-date.
Regardless, the first link you show has Sanders winning (RCP average) against Trump, Cruz, Carson, Bush, and Florina and only losing to Rubio in a general election. Hardly as unelectable as you claim.
The 270 to win polls show a bit more of a different picture, with Sanders still faring quite well. In these he loses more general elections, but usually in a close race.
.MASSHOLE.You know, it isn't like he was the mayor of Burlington VT, spoke in classes I attended, and had a rabid following in Vermont. That never happened.
And no, assholes are assholes, regardless of what state they are from.
PCPRINCIPALGood lord you are thick.
The masses dipshit, the masses. Bernie was an unknown.
From my experience people from the East Coast are a special kind of asshole, especially people from the Philly area. You are a stereotypical, pompous east coast yup who's got it all figured out. I bet you have a beard and grew up near Boston...
Also, you critizining Bernie's understanding of politics and economics, as if you are more qualified and intelligent than him or anyone on his campaign staff, proves how insanely pretentious you are.
californiagrownBut what about Cruz, Carson, rubio, etc?
Trump won't get the nomination because he is unelectable as well. How does Bernie poll against the other frontrunners on the right?
PCPRINCIPALGood lord you are thick.
The masses dipshit, the masses. Bernie was an unknown.
From my experience people from the East Coast are a special kind of asshole, especially people from the Philly area. You are a stereotypical, pompous east coast yup who's got it all figured out. I bet you have a beard and grew up near Boston...
Also, you critizining Bernie's understanding of politics and economics, as if you are more qualified and intelligent than him or anyone on his campaign staff, proves how insanely pretentious you are.
.MASSHOLE.Well you did not state "the masses", you phrased it as if you were saying he came out of left field. For ALOT of people in Republican states and the west coast in general. he came out of nowhere
But one thing I am confident on is that his statements on the Fed have shown ME that perhaps he does not understand how the Federal Reserve fully functions, nor does he understand the manner in which other Central Reserve Banks work.
This is why I question you. You truly believe that you have a better understanding of the fed and central banking than a lifelong politician and that's troubling to me.
.MASSHOLE.Well you did not state "the masses", you phrased it as if you were saying he came out of left field. For ALOT of people in Republican states and the west coast in general. he came out of nowhere
But one thing I am confident on is that his statements on the Fed have shown ME that perhaps he does not understand how the Federal Reserve fully functions, nor does he understand the manner in which other Central Reserve Banks work.
This is why I question you. You truly believe that you have a better understanding of the fed and central banking than a lifelong politician and that's troubling to me.
.MASSHOLE.http://www.thenation.com/article/sanders-president-talk-real-enough-bernies-not-going-there/
http://www.thenation.com/article/how-does-bernie-sanders-do-it/
Would you look at that?
WOW
PCPRINCIPALWe will have our first Jewish president next November.
PCPRINCIPALI'm not attacking your character, I'm attacking your judgement, because it is questionable.
PCPRINCIPALI have no idea what you are trying to prove.
californiagrownSo who is a more viable candidate?
Bernie? whose policies are so radical they have no fucking chance in hell of being put into place, let alone the guy getting more than 20% of the general vote.
Trump? the frontrunner in the Republican party? yeah. thats a great option.
Who is the better option than hilary? seriously, use adult, real world thinking here.
PCPRINCIPALMy Adult Real World thinking tells me that there are many many other options that are better than Hillary and even Bernie but thanks to the GOP, the media, greedy billionaires, greedy politicians, and an overall lethargic population, those candidates have zero chance of being elected.
Your logic is that it is more important to preserve the democrats place as head of the state by going with the most electable.
This is a popular Anti Bernie argument that is based on here-say.
What isn't based on here-say is that Hillary is not trusted by a large portion of voters in the Democratic Party and and even larger portion in the GOP
Also, you need to control your micro-aggressions Bro.
Q.McBrewI'm calling it right now.
Marco Rubio
CampeadorPutting Bernie in a general election scenario is pointless, considering how badly he's losing to harpy Hillary.
