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Tapered park ski

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SkettiDino
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What are some park skis with taper in the tip and the tail
Dec 15 2015 6:39PM
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Egg.roll
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The line tigersnake has a bit of taper.
Dec 15 2015 6:45PM
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Swandog7
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not sure why you want to know just this. What exactly do you want beyond just this?
Dec 15 2015 6:53PM
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pattyeiks
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2015 line traveling circus
Dec 15 2015 7:07PM
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250r
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well they arent park skis, but my praxis woo tests have an absurd amount of taper and they are downright sketchy in the park. really not possible to carve off a jump with them.

are you just looking for a park ski that also does well in pow? what gains do you think taper will give you in park?
Dec 16 2015 4:14AM
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OzzyJ
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Surface skis are pretty tapered
Dec 16 2015 11:13AM
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ndye
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250rwell they arent park skis, but my praxis woo tests have an absurd amount of taper and they are downright sketchy in the park. really not possible to carve off a jump with them.

are you just looking for a park ski that also does well in pow? what gains do you think taper will give you in park?


Taper also cuts down the turning radius, so it can make a ski more snappy in a longer length. I rode the D'lirriums from Fat-ypus and they had some taper to them. I enjoyed those skis a lot actually.
Dec 16 2015 11:16AM
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NinetyFour
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I can't think of any other park skis more tapered than the Armada B-dog.

Dec 16 2015 11:18AM
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250r
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ndyeTaper also cuts down the turning radius, so it can make a ski more snappy in a longer length. I rode the D'lirriums from Fat-ypus and they had some taper to them. I enjoyed those skis a lot actually.


and why would you want a short turning radius really anywhere? in park i like a long radius for really stable landings. only reason the tapered skis i have work is because they have basically no side cut, so they keep a 30m turning radius. i really have no idea why people like skis like the armada jj so much...they ski like fuckin snowblades
Dec 16 2015 1:35PM
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ndye
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250rand why would you want a short turning radius really anywhere? in park i like a long radius for really stable landings. only reason the tapered skis i have work is because they have basically no side cut, so they keep a 30m turning radius. i really have no idea why people like skis like the armada jj so much...they ski like fuckin snowblades


So you can turn faster and quicker. It makes the ski more responsive. Its all personal preference. And they don't ski like snowblades, whatever you mean by that.
Dec 16 2015 1:45PM
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250r
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ndyeSo you can turn faster and quicker. It makes the ski more responsive. Its all personal preference. And they don't ski like snowblades, whatever you mean by that.


your right it is preference im just ranting, and it was a rhetorical question, i just dont understand why so many people go for skis like that. with a bit of skill i really dont think you need a short turning radius.
Dec 16 2015 1:54PM
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ndye
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250ryour right it is preference im just ranting, and it was a rhetorical question, i just dont understand why so many people go for skis like that. with a bit of skill i really dont think you need a short turning radius.


Moving between features in the park it definitely helps, you are right, with a bit of skill you don't really NEED it, but it does make it easier. Thats the point in ski tech I think we are at now anyways. Not NEEDED but Easier, and therefor better.
Dec 16 2015 2:02PM
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250r
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ndyeMoving between features in the park it definitely helps, you are right, with a bit of skill you don't really NEED it, but it does make it easier. Thats the point in ski tech I think we are at now anyways. Not NEEDED but Easier, and therefor better.


well this argument is getting dumb but ill just finish by saying that easier is not necessarily better. if you are hitting a jump line with 60 foot jumps you arent going to be making really tight turns between each one. you will be going straight and fast, hence why it can be nice have a long turning radius in park.
Dec 16 2015 2:12PM
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ndye
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250rwell this argument is getting dumb but ill just finish by saying that easier is not necessarily better. if you are hitting a jump line with 60 foot jumps you arent going to be making really tight turns between each one. you will be going straight and fast, hence why it can be nice have a long turning radius in park.


I agree for the most part, but theres a lot more to park than 60 foot jumps. Most people don't have jumps even close to that big at their home hills. Thats all I am trying to say, different aspects of park skiing mandate different tools.
Dec 16 2015 2:15PM
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doot
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OzzyJSurface skis are pretty tapered


do you know what tapered even means?
Dec 16 2015 4:23PM
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KravtZ
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ndyeMoving between features in the park it definitely helps, you are right, with a bit of skill you don't really NEED it, but it does make it easier. Thats the point in ski tech I think we are at now anyways. Not NEEDED but Easier, and therefor better.


The problem that you all are arguing about comes down to a simple plague that is spreading rapidly across the park scene today.

Its not taper, vs no taper, vs rocker, vs whatever.

Its the fact these kids CANT SKI. ANY park ski for the most part is going to be able to make quick turns between features if your a strong skier. The problem isn't the skis its the skier. I have seen it for years.

You think the distance between park features are short? Try slalom gates. This thread is absurd. Park skis will never be able to carve like a slalom ski on edge.
Dec 16 2015 4:27PM
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NinetyFour
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So in my opinion, in the context of park skis, taper is largely designed in for hook free performance. Really that translates into huuuuge time this:



Taper does other things to, like cutting down swing weight in the tips and tails, allows the the tip to penetrate crud much easier, and makes the tail less draggy in pow.

With all of that, tighter, more aggressive sidecuts are usually paired in because the taper takes away a lot of effective edge. If you left them with a more subtle sidecut radii, they would be a lot tougher to turn on hardpack.
Dec 16 2015 7:52PM
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suup
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KravtZThe problem that you all are arguing about comes down to a simple plague that is spreading rapidly across the park scene today.

Its not taper, vs no taper, vs rocker, vs whatever.

Its the fact these kids CANT SKI. ANY park ski for the most part is going to be able to make quick turns between features if your a strong skier. The problem isn't the skis its the skier. I have seen it for years.

You think the distance between park features are short? Try slalom gates. This thread is absurd. Park skis will never be able to carve like a slalom ski on edge.


dude, no one gives a shit about carving ice and bashing slalom gates.
Dec 16 2015 7:57PM
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Skier-Jon
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k2 shreditor 102s
Dec 16 2015 8:01PM
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.CJ.
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KF Rayzrblaydz have a decent amount of taper
Dec 16 2015 8:33PM
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