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18 people killed in Paris (so far)

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J.D.
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Now hearing that it could be as high as 30 - Unknown what the hell is going on.

Several explosions (possibly grenades) around the Stade de France, where there is a match going on. Two gunmen performing drive-by shootings with AK-47s, while 5 or 6 gunmen in the Northeast of downtown. There is also a hostage situation being reported. The incident is ongoing.

What the fuck is going on. This is horrific.
Nov 13 2015 4:51PM
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yungsteeze
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TheBigAppleMy guess: ISIS found a weak point of entry into the EU and then decided to conduct a series of random attacks all at once, probably citizens of the EU recruited by ISIS. Perhaps as an attempt to draw attention away from their main front line areas.


france was being way to welcoming to syrian refugees, which probalby allowed isis to infiltrate and plan this attack
Nov 13 2015 6:29PM
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J.D.
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Still watching France24. Some people have managed to get out of the Bataclan theatre and are speaking to radio. Sounds like... well, like what was described above. Absolute carnage.

As for assailants - 2-3 people, not wearing face masks, enter theatre and fire on crowd using AK-47s. Gunfire took place over 15 minutes and multiple reloads of the rifles.

Paris taxis have now turned off meters and will take anyone in downtown Paris out without charge, just ferrying people out of the city.
Nov 13 2015 6:29PM
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yungsteeze
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Nov 13 2015 6:29PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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yungsteezefrance was being way to welcoming to syrian refugees, which probalby allowed isis to infiltrate and plan this attack

Don't jump to conclusions, do not generalize either.
J.D.Still watching France24. Some people have managed to get out of the Bataclan theatre and are speaking to radio. Sounds like... well, like what was described above. Absolute carnage.

As for assailants - 2-3 people, not wearing face masks, enter theatre and fire on crowd using AK-47s. Gunfire took place over 15 minutes and multiple reloads of the rifles.

Paris taxis have now turned off meters and will take anyone in downtown Paris out without charge, just ferrying people out of the city.


Sounds like it was a one-way mission. Sounds like there were two suicide bombers as well.
Nov 13 2015 6:30PM
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yungsteeze
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now the police have reportedly taken out one of the three assailants in the bataclan, and has told everybody to stop reporting so terrorists cant anticipate the police's movements
Nov 13 2015 6:31PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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News stations in France are saying security forces are reporting that there are 7 different sites hit tonight.
Nov 13 2015 6:34PM
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yungsteeze
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.MASSHOLE.Don't jump to conclusions, do not generalize either.


Sounds like it was a one-way mission. Sounds like there were two suicide bombers as well.


there's a 70 percent chance this was isis, and if it wasnt it was al qaeda
Nov 13 2015 6:36PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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yungsteezethere's a 70 percent chance this was isis, and if it wasnt it was al qaeda


Let's not discuss this yet.
Nov 13 2015 6:38PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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yungsteezethere's a 70 percent chance this was isis, and if it wasnt it was al qaeda


Great source there bud. While I agree it most likely was an Islamic radical group, not all Syrians are members of ISIS or Al Qaeda. What you are doing is just perpetuating fear.

Apparently they are raiding the Bataclan? Not sure if thats been confirmed yet.
Nov 13 2015 6:38PM
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JGWI
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There just asking for a fucking war. I say bring it to them now.
Nov 13 2015 6:39PM
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doot
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Police seem to be storming the theatre.
Nov 13 2015 6:40PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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.MASSHOLE.Apparently they are raiding the Bataclan? Not sure if thats been confirmed yet.


According to F24 this is now confirmed.
Nov 13 2015 6:42PM
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J.D.
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masterofnonePolice seem to be storming the theatre.

Yes, there is a gag order on anything further happening in the area while that operation is ongoing. We might not hear what happens for a little while.
Nov 13 2015 6:42PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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I wonder if this retaliation for Jihad John's death today.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi

NYT Journalist who covers ISIS and Al Qaeda breaking down the difference in tactics by the two groups to give insight.
Nov 13 2015 6:44PM
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yungsteeze
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.MASSHOLE.Great source there bud. While I agree it most likely was an Islamic radical group, not all Syrians are members of ISIS or Al Qaeda. What you are doing is just perpetuating fear.

Apparently they are raiding the Bataclan? Not sure if thats been confirmed yet.


i never generalized syrians.... simply said the france was vulnerable. isis has started a hashtag celebrating the attacks.
Nov 13 2015 6:45PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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yungsteezei never generalized syrians.... simply said the france was vulnerable. isis has started a hashtag celebrating the attacks.


Then anyone with an open border is vulnerable. Want someone to blame for the ease at which ISIS can cross borders? Look at Turkey.
Nov 13 2015 6:46PM
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doot
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Eyewitness is reporting that some hostages are being evacuated from the first floor. Not confirmed though
Nov 13 2015 6:46PM
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J.D.
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.MASSHOLE.I wonder if this retaliation for Jihad John's death today.

We can't say much for sure, but it almost certainly was NOT retaliation for this.

This was a coordinated attack carried out in seven separate locations in one night. It's the worst thing to happen in Paris since World War 2. This has been planned for a long time.
Nov 13 2015 6:47PM
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yungsteeze
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.MASSHOLE.Then anyone with an open border is vulnerable. Want someone to blame for the ease at which ISIS can cross borders? Look at Turkey.


i also never said i blame anybody. not looking to argue.
Nov 13 2015 6:48PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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CNN reporter says on air that he's sitting in a bush to stay close to the action and avoid evacuation.

I don't know what's stupider, staying close when people are trying to evacuate you or telling an international news channel your in a fucking bush...
Nov 13 2015 6:49PM
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yungsteeze
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*DUMBCAN*CNN reporter says on air that he's sitting in a bush to stay close to the action and avoid evacuation.

I don't know what's stupider, staying close when people are trying to evacuate you or telling an international news channel your in a fucking bush...


wow, fuck the media. the police want to stop the flow of information so they can try to handle this.
Nov 13 2015 6:50PM
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J.D.
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*DUMBCAN*CNN reporter says on air that he's sitting in a bush to stay close to the action and avoid evacuation.

I don't know what's stupider, staying close when people are trying to evacuate you or telling an international news channel your in a fucking bush...


Neither. What would be stupidest would be to continue to report on what's going on when Police have specifically asked for no one to do so so that they can undertake a hostage rescue operation without the perpetrators knowing what they're up to.
Nov 13 2015 6:51PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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J.D.We can't say much for sure, but it almost certainly was NOT retaliation for this.

This was a coordinated attack carried out in seven separate locations in one night. It's the worst thing to happen in Paris since World War 2. This has been planned for a long time.

I meant the timing, deciding to do it tonight rather than tomorrow or Sunday, etc. Just a thought
*DUMBCAN*CNN reporter says on air that he's sitting in a bush to stay close to the action and avoid evacuation.

I don't know what's stupider, staying close when people are trying to evacuate you or telling an international news channel your in a fucking bush...


I laughed when I heard that.
Nov 13 2015 6:51PM
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DBack1321
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.MASSHOLE.Then anyone with an open border is vulnerable. Want someone to blame for the ease at which ISIS can cross borders? Look at Turkey.


You can't really blame a single nation. Many areas of that part of the world are lawless and places that aren't can largely be bought off. The only way to prevent stuff like this is completely shut down borders, which is impossible. Even then, with modern technology, you can recruit and train people extremly easily with out ever setting foot outside of your living room.
Nov 13 2015 6:51PM
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Jane6
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"Hostages from Bataclan told CNN that “terrorists calmly executed hostages, reloaded, executed again in silence.”"




I want to throw up
Nov 13 2015 6:53PM
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yungsteeze
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DBack1321You can't really blame a single nation. Many areas of that part of the world are lawless and places that aren't can largely be bought off. The only way to prevent stuff like this is completely shut down borders, which is impossible. Even then, with modern technology, you can recruit and train people extremly easily with out ever setting foot outside of your living room.


this is the problem with isis. the internet allows such fast communication that anybody around the world can join. scary.
Nov 13 2015 6:54PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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DBack1321You can't really blame a single nation. Many areas of that part of the world are lawless and places that aren't can largely be bought off. The only way to prevent stuff like this is completely shut down borders, which is impossible. Even then, with modern technology, you can recruit and train people extremly easily with out ever setting foot outside of your living room.


You can blame Turkey for the ease at which they allow ISIS members in and out of their country. It was a well documented fact that they did nothing to the ISIS members moving in and out of the country for treatment, sale of weapons, and sale of oil. I am not saying they are responsible for this attack, but they certainly were foolish early on with ISIS due to their hatred of the Kurds.

But yes, to completely stop this, you would need a police state. Not just closed borders, but monitored electronics, government censorship, etc.

Apparently the police raid is over
Nov 13 2015 6:54PM
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J.D.
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Yeah raid has ended and now hearing from survivors. Just horrible. People screaming and ducking behind chairs. Sounds like people were surprisingly calm and controlled in getting out - those who could get out, anyway.
Nov 13 2015 6:54PM
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J.D.
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Two attackers killed in Bataclan. One with an AK47, the other had a gun and explosives apparently. Many dead.
Nov 13 2015 6:58PM
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JAHpow
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*DUMBCAN*CNN reporter says on air that he's sitting in a bush to stay close to the action and avoid evacuation.

I don't know what's stupider, staying close when people are trying to evacuate you or telling an international news channel your in a fucking bush...


It's a CNN reporter so...
Nov 13 2015 6:59PM
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J.D.
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A field hospital has been set up nearby in a restaurant and dozens of empty stretchers being rushed towards the Bataclan.
Nov 13 2015 7:02PM
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yungsteeze
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apparently friday the 13th is real wtf. suicide bombing killed 40+ in lebanon, paris attacks and an earthquake in japan. damn.
Nov 13 2015 7:03PM
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DBack1321
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Jane6"Hostages from Bataclan told CNN that “terrorists calmly executed hostages, reloaded, executed again in silence.”"




I want to throw up


This is the shit I don't get. Like with all the ISIS videos on the internet where hey just line dudes up and execute them, you know you're going to die, so why not fight back?!? You probably will die, but you will 100% take one to the dome if you just sit there and take it. It's not like they are going to have a change of heart two guys from you and stop shooting people in the back of the head "Oh lets just go home Akbar, I'm sick of doing this today. The rest of you are free to go."

At least go out swinging. I refuse to sit there and let someone execute me.
Nov 13 2015 7:05PM
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GayWolf420
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fuck, this is horrific to see/read about. keeping posted on news and whatnot but some of its tough to fathom. Absolute bloodshed and terror.

Thanks to some of you for posting updates even with the access to it directly. This is nutty to watch unfold live.
Nov 13 2015 7:10PM
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doot
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yungsteezeapparently friday the 13th is real wtf. suicide bombing killed 40+ in lebanon, paris attacks and an earthquake in japan. damn.


Baghdad suicide bombings as well.
Nov 13 2015 7:11PM
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J.D.
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Several news outlets now reporting that an arrested perpetrator has stated that he is a part of ISIS.

So, no shock there.
Nov 13 2015 7:11PM
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Stay classy WikiLeaks
Nov 13 2015 7:14PM
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J.D.
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Agence France has now reported that according to police sources, the death toll inside the Bataclan is approximately 100 people.

Just... unspeakable. No words for that.
Nov 13 2015 7:16PM
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Apparently 100 dead at least from theatre.

When the terrorists realised it was game over they threw explosives into the crowd.
Nov 13 2015 7:17PM
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Just a rumor but there is a fire at a Calais refugee camp. I hope it isn't related in any sense, retaliatory or part of the original attack.
Nov 13 2015 7:18PM
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.MASSHOLE.Just a rumor but there is a fire at a Calais refugee camp. I hope it isn't related in any sense, retaliatory or part of the original attack.


Seen photos, can confirm this.

This hasn't been an unusual event this past few months though.
Nov 13 2015 7:21PM
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JGWI
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It's probably best to wait on reporting death tolls until things are confirmed. Media tends to get that stuff wrong.
Nov 13 2015 7:22PM
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Sky news anchor: "The number of hostages killed is impressive"
Nov 13 2015 7:23PM
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GayWolf420
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*DUMBCAN*Apparently 100 dead at least from theatre.

When the terrorists realised it was game over they threw explosives into the crowd.


jesus christ....
Nov 13 2015 7:24PM
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*DUMBCAN*Sky news anchor: "The number of hostages killed is impressive"


Nice choice of words indeed.
Nov 13 2015 7:27PM
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J.D.
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Syrian refugee camp near Calais has apparently been set on fire.
Nov 13 2015 7:27PM
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J.D.Syrian refugee camp near Calais has apparently been set on fire.


I'm hearing on several IRC's right now that the images that have been posted are old/fake. Wouldn't surprise me, but it doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Nov 13 2015 7:29PM
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J.D.
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Well, Agence France has now confirmed that witnesses inside the Bataclan have said that Allahu Akbar was indeed shouted by the attackers while firing. So, there we are.
Nov 13 2015 7:31PM
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Those weren't really hostages. You take hostages when you want something. Those people were just execution victims since the perpetrators had no intention to live.
Nov 13 2015 7:32PM
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J.D.Syrian refugee camp near Calais has apparently been set on fire.


It is fake, a Polish journalist confirmed it.
Nov 13 2015 7:33PM
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