Gun rights

Bill.NyeWhat's right with America?

Monsieur_PatateHonestly I don't really care about guns, I don't own one.

That being said, I don't really understand how universal background checks is going to be an issue to you gun aficionados, expect if you are mentally unstable or something. People are still going to be able to buy their guns, the plan is just to make sure psychos can't easily purchase one, so why are jimmies being rustled that much?

Bill.NyeWhat's right with America?

Monsieur_PatateHonestly I don't really care about guns, I don't own one.

That being said, I don't really understand how universal background checks is going to be an issue to you gun aficionados, expect if you are mentally unstable or something. People are still going to be able to buy their guns, the plan is just to make sure psychos can't easily purchase one, so why are jimmies being rustled that much?

JAHpowI've delayed creating my AR build thread due to all the resent gun uproar on here. But now seeing this calm thread it may be time to post.

Steezy_GI feel as if all the gun control is based off of what liberals see as "scary" looking guns because most of them have never even seen that damn gun in real life!

integralmgmtTo me, gun use in America is a major problem. I can't go into this pretending the goal is to stop mass shootings - what gets media attention - because it isn't, and to say we can prevent all mass shootings is misleading (and extremely improbable).

skiermanYup, but strong gun control measures will significantly reduce the number of mass shootings and gun violence in general... this has been proven time and time again. But hey, let's just ignore all that because people are too stupid to tell the difference between regulations and all out bans.

.lenconI feel like taxes should be a flat rate more or less. And I hate seeing my tax dollars go to waste

JaybrtnWell, advocating for people to use guns to kill cops isn't. Just because a few highly publicized cops did some terrible shit, doesn't mean that the tens of thousands of other cops around the country are bad people too. Generalization and mass assumptions are bullshit.

Bill.Nye1) Economics is not based on your feels, Flat taxes are hugely regressive because of this thing that exists called minimum cost of living.
2) They aren't your tax dollars.

JaybrtnWell, advocating for people to use guns to kill cops isn't.

JAHpowI've delayed creating my AR build thread due to all the resent gun uproar on here. But now seeing this calm thread it may be time to post.

.lencon1) you think the rich should be taxed a ridiculously high amount?
2)Unlike you I have a job and pay taxes so yes they are.

S.J.WTaxes are based on your ability to pay principal. Yeah it kinda sucks to be rich and pay 45% of your income in tax. But you still have a lot more disposable income to re-invest into other capital. Where as a poor person does not.

Bill.NyeBro are you really so fucking stupid as to think that right at the same moment in time that video cameras connected to the internet became cheap and popular there was a huge uptick in police violence against poor people and especially people of color? This stuff happens all the time, and BEEN happening. the Police exist to exert social control over the working class.

All cops are bastards.

Bill.NyeFor the record, I said "shoot" not "kill."

nocturnalYou defiantly have shootings and people who kill themselves with guns..... that being said now that I don't live by NYC I'm looking into getting my first gun thats not a .22, talk to a gun store last week. Still shocked at how easy it was to buy a gun. Everyone on here thinks that because I want more checks, that equals to I want guns banned I don't.

SamtheEagleI never realized how easy it was to buy a gun before buying a 22. There are a few things I found to be ridiculous but mainly the fact that I could get a gun in about 10 minutes and it only took that long because of the background check. Yes there was a background check but why should someone walk in and out of a Walmart with a gun like they would for getting a few groceries. 24 hour waiting period seems like a logical step in the right direction.

JaybrtnThere is a 3 day waiting period for purchasing a handgun, at least in Washington. If you go through the process of getting concealed pistol license from your local police department, you don't have to wait the 3 days. Although, for the most part, people going to buy a gun and that same day using it to kill people isn't really the main issue.

SamtheEagleI agree that people using it to kill people don't buy a gun the same day generally but I think it could help with accidental shootings or suicides

.lenconTrue. Im sorry for saying flat rate taxes, as I don't necessarily believe that. However I do think the margin for paying taxes is ridiculous. Poor pay 10% and rich pay 45%. Yeah the rich still have more, but its also still their hard earned money. I think it would be fair to have poor pay around 10% middle class around 15% and rich around 20% and then the government should actually use our money towards something useful.

onenerdykidAs long as the rich are not allowed to use tax breaks and deductions, then I would be in favor of that. Right now, the rich most certainly do not pay a 45% rate. In many instances it is below 10% given all of the breaks and deductions they are given.

Right now the percentage of total income in America going to people who are in the top 1% has doubled over the past 30 years. It used to be 10% back in 1980 and now it is 20%. This means that richest 400 people in America have more money than the first 150 million, and they have to take it from somewhere: the middle and lower class. The rich can afford to pay more taxes because they literally doubling their income while the middle and lower classes are losing it.

.lenconOh yeah for sure. It wouldn't work at all if they took the loop holes.

Also I watched that video yesterday. It was pretty intetesting but I'm not sure how it ended because my wifi went out with 10 minutes left. Do you recall the vote?

CoreyTrevorMany people don't like the constitution the events of Roe vs Wade, gun rights, or the recent legalization of gay marriage that has brought about numerous lawsuits resulting in people losing their business because they get fined 6 figures for turning down a customer.

When a decision is made, it's made and that's how it needs to be. I have two pistols of which both have roughly 18 round magazines, a 223 with a 30 rd magazine, and a 308 with a 20 round magazine. Do I need these at all? Absolutely fuckin not, but I can so I do because I had the money.

People profit.

Wanna buy some guns?

onenerdykidThat's rad, I'm glad you watched that. The team against the motion (against "the rich are taxed enough") won because they proved (I would argue) that if we get rid of all of the loopholes/deductions/exceptions etc then the rich will be taxed more than they are now. In doing so the effective tax rate for the rich necessarily goes up. So, by definition when that happens then the rich get taxed more.

.lenconI hate liberals for the most part. They want everyone to be able to do there own thing. And be equal. And have peace. Doesn't make sense to me.

Anyway guns are good. If someone really wants to shoot someone, you can. We own like 10 guns in my house. One of them is an AR-15.

Also my school was on lockdown today due to threats. It's a messed up world.

Steezy_GOr your just a stupid liberal

DeepskierIm a libreal but im down with guns we have about 20 of them from 22 s to 50 cals they are just something we should have but we shouldnt give one to everyone

cmacraeI live and shoot in Australia and our gun control doesn't work. There is still regular shootings that happen (with illegal guns). At the moment, we have two people on the run from police who last I read were shooting at police with an SKS.

All these restrictions have done is make it ridiculously hard for Australians to get higher capacity and semi-automatic firearms, its done bugger all to reduce gun violence.

skiermanOh really? And how many mass shootings have you had recently? Also could you provide some stats showing how gun violence has increased since the regulations?

skiermanOh really? And how many mass shootings have you had recently? Also could you provide some stats showing how gun violence has increased since the regulations?

roddy116he lives there what more proof do you need?

DingoSeanI live in the republic of California where we are all actually cats who are from the planet zorbedon and have come to take your guns.

You might not think it's true, and demand proof, but I live here and you don't... so what more proof do you need. #flawedlogic.

roddy116You know, by the silly stuff you say and the people in california, your actually right.

but either way here is a nice paper with plenty of sources for the "highly educated" NSer.

http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/guns-in-other-countries/

skiermanOh really? And how many mass shootings have you had recently? Also could you provide some stats showing how gun violence has increased since the regulations?

skiermanFACT: I have never seen a website skew stats so hard to push an obvious agenda.

cobra_commandershooting guns is fun. Shooting lots of bullets really fast is fun. I'm a free American, I get to enjoy both of those. Don't like it? Shove your head up your own ass and look for Belgum.

Regardless:
Small arms remain the international standard of violence. Not living in some bitch ass country that values stupid shit like equality over freedom, I have a right to that standard in order to protect my life, liberty, and property from those who would wish to take them from me. never know when God's gonna need you to clean up the gene pool; 230gr at a time.

The fact that buying and owning more guns pisses off whiney bitch liberals is an added bonus. They get irritated so easily, it's fun.
"He/she makes too much money - waaa"
"He believes something I don't - waaa"
"They have guns, I don't understand - Waaa"

More guns the better. Hopefully we can get around to getting short barreled rifles and suppressors off the NFA list.

cobra_commanderWA isn't SBR friendly right now.

I shouldn't have to write the gov a $200 check and wait a few months to protect my hearing and reduce the noise pollution.

CirilloThe whole restriction on suppressors and SBRs is dumb.

I wish I lived in a state that only restricted those things though. Here in NY it isn't even enjoyable to own and shoot a gun.

Steezy_Gnys is one of the worst...

CirilloI think it might be THE worst. Especially where I am in NY. The only place it could be even worse would be in the 5 boroughs.

CirilloThe whole restriction on suppressors and SBRs is dumb.

I wish I lived in a state that only restricted those things though. Here in NY it isn't even enjoyable to own and shoot a gun.