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Girl faces manslaughter charges over boyfriends suicide

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S.J.W
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http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/teenager-charged-over-boyfriends-suicide/

This is seriously one of the most fucked up stories I've ever read. One of her text messages read "You kept pushing it off and you say you'll do it, but you never do. It's always gonna be that way if you don't take action. You're just making it harder on yourself by pushing it off. You just have to do it. Do you want to do it now?
It's probably the best time now because everyone is sleeping. Just go somewhere in your truck and no one is really out there right now because it's an awkward time. If you don't do it now you're never gonna do it, and you can say you'll do it tomorrow, but you probably won't. Tonight? Love you."

Pretty much, the boyfriend was suicidal and the girl told him to go kill himself

And now there's a big debate on whether she should face criminal charges for manslaughter. In my opinion, yes. Mental illness and depression are such big issues that no one ever talks about and encouraging someone to commit suicide is pretty fucked up.

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Aug 26 2015 6:34AM
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Pill_Cosby
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Absolutely not
Aug 26 2015 7:54AM
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theBearJew
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Fuck that girl. I saw a article that said she texted him "get back in" referring to his truck when he was unsure if he should go through with it.
Aug 26 2015 8:08AM
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Chubz.
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This blew up on my fb feed like 6 months ago, shits way fucked up
Aug 26 2015 8:19AM
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Huck_Norris
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Wow. She should definitely have a nice felony conviction and a few years to think about that.
Aug 26 2015 9:12AM
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Dustin.
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As fucked up as that story is, that's not manslaughter. The dude killed himself willingly. It's going to be really interesting to read about though, never heard of something like that before.
Aug 26 2015 11:06AM
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SterlingArcher
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inb4 CJ freshman legal scholars

She is being charged with involuntary manslaughter not manslaughter, and in the legal world there are some substantial differences in definition and punishment between the two. This really is dependent on state statutes... so depending on where you live keep in mind the outcome for this situation occurring in your area may be completely different.

According to Massachusetts Statutes (MGL Title I, Chapter 265, Section 13) Involuntary Manslaughter is defined as:

1) An unlawful killing that was unintentionally caused as the result of the defendants' wanton or reckless conduct; or

2) ) An unlawful killing that resulted during the commission of a dangerous battery by a defendant

She's being charged in by definition #1 because she by the act of sending those text messages did although unintentionally, did act in a wanton or reckless manner by creating the heightening risk or substantial harm. And for those of you who say "well that the fuck defines that"..

The definition of "unintentionally" is the person did intend to commit the act that ultimately caused the death of the victim, but the defendant did not intend to actually cause the death itself.

The definition of "wanton or reckless conduct" is conduct which creates a high degree of likelihood that substantial harm will result to another person. An example is Russian Roulette.
Aug 26 2015 11:40AM
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jibbpeter
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Is this a Daredevil spinoff?
Aug 26 2015 12:57PM
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act.resist
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what the actual fuck is wrong with her. oh my god.
Aug 26 2015 4:41PM
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Dustin.
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slum.lordinb4 CJ freshman legal scholars

She is being charged with involuntary manslaughter not manslaughter, and in the legal world there are some substantial differences in definition and punishment between the two. This really is dependent on state statutes... so depending on where you live keep in mind the outcome for this situation occurring in your area may be completely different.

According to Massachusetts Statutes (MGL Title I, Chapter 265, Section 13) Involuntary Manslaughter is defined as:

1) An unlawful killing that was unintentionally caused as the result of the defendants' wanton or reckless conduct; or

2) ) An unlawful killing that resulted during the commission of a dangerous battery by a defendant

She's being charged in by definition #1 because she by the act of sending those text messages did although unintentionally, did act in a wanton or reckless manner by creating the heightening risk or substantial harm. And for those of you who say "well that the fuck defines that"..

The definition of "unintentionally" is the person did intend to commit the act that ultimately caused the death of the victim, but the defendant did not intend to actually cause the death itself.

The definition of "wanton or reckless conduct" is conduct which creates a high degree of likelihood that substantial harm will result to another person. An example is Russian Roulette.


Meh, I don't think anyone who knows what manslaughter is was confused by just saying "manslaughter". Sure it's not specific as to which of the two we're talking about, but it's also pretty obvious in this case. You're making it out like some kind of crazy revelation, and saying that it may be super different in different states. Generally there are 2 types of involuntary manslaughter and it's not extremely different where you go.

I think your use of Russian Roulette as an example of involuntary manslaughter is poor. A better example would be pointing a gun at someone thinking it's empty and then pulling the trigger and killing them. This girl didn't actually DO anything to kill this dude. In Russian Roulette, and this case, the victim kills themselves and I think that makes calling this manslaughter strange and difficult. Maybe not impossible, but shaky at best in my opinion.

It sure feels like this bitch did something disgusting and illegal, but the reason this case is so interesting is that when you try to say what that something is.....I'm coming up blank. When it comes down to it she was just a shitty person. She doesn't threaten him or anything. Any other ideas? I'm at a loss.
Aug 26 2015 5:01PM
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SterlingArcher
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Dustin.Meh, I don't think anyone who knows what manslaughter is was confused by just saying "manslaughter". Sure it's not specific as to which of the two we're talking about, but it's also pretty obvious in this case. You're making it out like some kind of crazy revelation, and saying that it may be super different in different states. Generally there are 2 types of involuntary manslaughter and it's not extremely different where you go.

I think your use of Russian Roulette as an example of involuntary manslaughter is poor. A better example would be pointing a gun at someone thinking it's empty and then pulling the trigger and killing them. This girl didn't actually DO anything to kill this dude. In Russian Roulette, and this case, the victim kills themselves and I think that makes calling this manslaughter strange and difficult. Maybe not impossible, but shaky at best in my opinion.

It sure feels like this bitch did something disgusting and illegal, but the reason this case is so interesting is that when you try to say what that something is.....I'm coming up blank. When it comes down to it she was just a shitty person. She doesn't threaten him or anything. Any other ideas? I'm at a loss.


Regardless of your interpretation or mine of the wording of the statute that's for the judge to decide I suppose, but there's always the chance they change the crime to an equal or lesser offense. The shitty thing about legal definitions is that they really are at the whim of judges interpretation of the law (obviously).

For example.. this could be defined in my state as Third Degree Assault, or Involuntary Manslaughter.. which is fucking confusing.. But according to (my interpretation) MA law she doesn't have to be the one to pull the trigger, threaten him, or physically do anything. From what I've learned is that even her words (as crazy as it is) CAN sometimes be included in the tied to these crimes because of their "gray definitions" like "reckless or negligent conduct".

I see your point, but let's agree to disagree. I'm not trying to argue..just always enjoy a good legal debate and lets my but my education to use. Either way I'm glad I'm not the one having to make those tough decisions..
Aug 26 2015 5:36PM
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cdip
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She deserves the charges. I think anyone who tells someone to kill themselves should be illegal if thats not then telling someone to and them doing it for sure should .
Aug 26 2015 5:44PM
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ModMommy
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Holy shit. She encouraged him. What the fuck. That's NOT what you do with a depressed person.
Aug 26 2015 6:04PM
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soulskier
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This whole thing is intriguing

Not so much that someone encouraged someone to off themselves but the fact that she has been arrested and charged for it

Don't get me worng, to encourage someone to off themselves is entirely fucked up but I'm curious to see how it plays out in court
Aug 26 2015 9:35PM
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