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_salty_I'm looking at this ski to ride about 50% park 50% all mountan would you suggest it? I have read a lot of great reviews on the all mountain side but almost no reviews of it in park in general. So my question is are they good in the park?
Swandog7They aren't bad at all from experiences with friends. Think of the Line Blend which is 100 underfoot. I think you should be ok. You coukd also look at the Nordica Soul Rider which crushes both park and all mountain.
_salty_I rode kartel 98's this past season so I am familiar with the wider skis. I am mainly concerned with the moments being super stiff
THEDIRTYBUBBLEPB and J is a pretty stiff ski, but with its rocker you should be fine.
SLEEKInterested in this as well...
I currently ride ON3P Jeronimo 182cm and Moment Vice 184cm. From what I have heard and what Moment told me on the phone, the PB&J is basically the exact same ski as the Vice just wider. The Vice and PB&J are made of Ash/Pine with carbon stringers.
In my personal opinion I would not consider the Vice a stiff ski. I would say stiff in the mid section with medium smooth flexing tips and tails. Definitely not hard to hand flex whatsoever. I absolutely love the flex and stiffness the way it is and would not prefer any more as it would loose its playfulness.
Keeping the flex in mind I can attest to the fact that the Vice is very damp considering its flex. Throwing the skis sideways on some steep ice you will get some chatter but that is probably more due to the rocker. At high speeds the skis do get bumped around in the crud but I don't notice any floppiness of the tips and tails like I have seen on some softer flexing skis.
On jumps the vice is super stable and forgiving. Very easy to spin as they are very light even with FKS 18's. The PB&J's also have a very light layup even for their 101mm width. For a wider burly ski like the PB&J it is very light considering.
The only thing I can say is that some people that have rode my Vices feel that the dampness reduces the feel and feedback of the ski. I have always felt that the energy I put into a carve on the Vices has equally been put into the ski and that there is no feel lost between the two. If anything I feel that is more a matter of boot flex and skier style.
If the PB&J is like the vice I can say it is a medium-stiff hard charging / jib oreinted ski. Definitely not a soft forgiving park ski by any means. I do not believe the PB&J was designed as a park ski more rather a smaller Bibby. The ski is for someone who wants to go fast, huck cliffs, throw slow floaty spins, and do moderate rail tricks.
And just in case anyone asks. To compare my 2014 Jeronimos to the Vice I can say that the Jmo's are stiffer, less playful, and more damp. The tips and tails definitely do not have as soft a flex and overall the JMO feels more stable when going fast as it doesn't get pushed around as easy. Also I felt that JMO carves and holds and edge better even with more tail rocker which was surprising. The Vice's seem to have a bit more tail washout and are kind of more of a slashing / slarving ski and not something you are going to put on edge and hold a long carve with. If I believe correctly the sidecut on the PB&J is the same as the Vice (21mm?) @ 182cm which should make them perform very similar.