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A lion named Cecil in Zimbabwe's Hwange National Park who was a huge attraction to visitors was just killed recently.
Turns out it was done by an American dentist named Walter Palmer who paid $50,000 to the right people to illegally shoot the animal.
As someone who hunts I see this dude and trophy hunters like him as scum, killing endangered animals (like a rhino he shot not too long ago) just for fun.
Here's the lion he killed:
If he's anyone's dentist in Minnesota you should hit him where it hurts by finding a new dentist.
Huck_NorrisI would agree with you if he wasn't openly bragging about having done it before he got lit up like the Time Square XMas tree for it.
The problem is in the details. His statement:
"I hired several professional guides, and they secured all proper permits, To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled."
Sure, this guy has been caught doing bad stuff before, and for sure is an asshole... but to what extent have the facts been checked?
People are coming outright saying that they want to kill and skin him alive. That is pretty harsh for someone who may have thought they were acting legally. You could argue hunting is bad, but humans eat meat and hunt all the time. Hunting endangered, protected species is bad too - but in some parts of the world these types of things are legal with the right permits.
So to be blasting this guy with death threats, shutting down his business and leaving a scar that will never go away *without the facts having been checked by balanced courts in a proper justice system* is where the dangerous road lies.
Sure it might turn out this guy is guilty, and he got what he deserved.
However in the case of internet justice in the Boston Bombings, the poor bastard and his family got crucified over something he absolutely didn't do. Nobody knows how he died, but if it turned out he was running away from mob justice and died in the process.... then the mob just committed murder.
That is the problem with mob justice, and why its bad. Sure you get to crucify a few baddies that deserved it... but when you get in the habit you accidentally burn some witches at the steak that were just nice young girls that liked to wear black.
You can't have mob justice be a good thing if you don't want innocent people to have their lives accidentally ruined or even taken from them.
Mr.BishopThe problem is in the details. His statement:
"I hired several professional guides, and they secured all proper permits, To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled."
Sure, this guy has been caught doing bad stuff before, and for sure is an asshole... but to what extent have the facts been checked?
People are coming outright saying that they want to kill and skin him alive. That is pretty harsh for someone who may have thought they were acting legally. You could argue hunting is bad, but humans eat meat and hunt all the time. Hunting endangered, protected species is bad too - but in some parts of the world these types of things are legal with the right permits.
So to be blasting this guy with death threats, shutting down his business and leaving a scar that will never go away *without the facts having been checked by balanced courts in a proper justice system* is where the dangerous road lies.
Sure it might turn out this guy is guilty, and he got what he deserved.
However in the case of internet justice in the Boston Bombings, the poor bastard and his family got crucified over something he absolutely didn't do. Nobody knows how he died, but if it turned out he was running away from mob justice and died in the process.... then the mob just committed murder.
That is the problem with mob justice, and why its bad. Sure you get to crucify a few baddies that deserved it... but when you get in the habit you accidentally burn some witches at the steak that were just nice young girls that liked to wear black.
You can't have mob justice be a good thing if you don't want innocent people to have their lives accidentally ruined or even taken from them.
The saddest thing to me is people valueing an animal life over a human life.
You want to kill a human for killing a damn animal? Really people?
Mr.BishopThe problem is in the details. His statement:
"I hired several professional guides, and they secured all proper permits, To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled."
Sure, this guy has been caught doing bad stuff before, and for sure is an asshole... but to what extent have the facts been checked?
People are coming outright saying that they want to kill and skin him alive. That is pretty harsh for someone who may have thought they were acting legally. You could argue hunting is bad, but humans eat meat and hunt all the time. Hunting endangered, protected species is bad too - but in some parts of the world these types of things are legal with the right permits.
So to be blasting this guy with death threats, shutting down his business and leaving a scar that will never go away *without the facts having been checked by balanced courts in a proper justice system* is where the dangerous road lies.
Sure it might turn out this guy is guilty, and he got what he deserved.
However in the case of internet justice in the Boston Bombings, the poor bastard and his family got crucified over something he absolutely didn't do. Nobody knows how he died, but if it turned out he was running away from mob justice and died in the process.... then the mob just committed murder.
That is the problem with mob justice, and why its bad. Sure you get to crucify a few baddies that deserved it... but when you get in the habit you accidentally burn some witches at the steak that were just nice young girls that liked to wear black.
You can't have mob justice be a good thing if you don't want innocent people to have their lives accidentally ruined or even taken from them.
Oh I couldn't agree more on what internet crazies are saying, but you run that risk when you take part in an abhorrent activity run by shady organizers and don't take the time to actually know what it is you're doing. Ignorance to the law is no excuse for breaking it in any context.
The guy hunted and killed a beloved tourist attraction and international symbol of the animal's struggle for survival. He might as well have shot Mickey Mouse while wearing the coat Cruella DeVille wanted to make out of all those puppies lol.
So I do not agree at all with the extremist things people are saying but I do understand the outrage in general that someone could be so blatantly ignorant in their actions.
Peoples reactions to this are kind of scary. Saying this guy should be killed, fed to the lions, some guy on facebook detailing how they should torture him etc.. dafuq?
I dont agree with shooting lions either, but if you seriously think this guy needs to be killed or tortured for killing a lion im gonna have to say you're a much bigger piece of shit than this guy. valuing an animals life over a humans life is pretty fucked.
How many of these people eat meat? or have in their life. even if you're a vegan now, but ate a steak 10 years ago, you supported cruel treatment of animals thats far worse than what this guy did. I eat meat every day, and I dont agree with how the meat industry treats animals, but i value eating meat over a cows life.
Just because you indirectly support animal cruelty doesnt make you better than this guy who does it directly.
What i dont like is that its a lion, i would never kill an animal like that because they're awesome. but thats my thinking based on my upbringing influenced by my societies views. I wouldnt have to think twice about killing a deer or cow because i see them as walking steaks, a pretty worthless animal. just because we see a lion as a "beautiful majestic animal" doesnt make its life more important than a cow, some other culture may value that cow's life over a lions.
People love to let out their anger and show their inner fucked up-ness when they have an acceptable means to let it out. and this is a perfect example. These people preach the value of this animals life like they're so above this lion killer, then say they want him tortured and murdered. its amazing how idiotic people are.
Mr.BishopI can't help but feel like this situation has really shown that the internet is acting like a modern day version of a lynch mob doling out pitchfork justice.
Isn't society supposed to allow the court system to do its work, and aren't we supposed to abide by innocent until proven guilty?
I absolutely do not agree with the killing of this lion in any way shape or form... but I can't help but really wonder if things are starting to get kind of dangerous.
I mean remember when Reddit had a false witch hunt over the boston bombings?
This is a dangerous cliff to start going over.
I think it's more peoples frustration that these people can do whatever they want and many times, nothing will ever come of that.
Sure, it has become sort of a mob but I think it's 99% anonymous words on the internet.
theabortionatorI think it's more peoples frustration that these people can do whatever they want and many times, nothing will ever come of that.
Sure, it has become sort of a mob but I think it's 99% anonymous words on the internet.
Right but the problem here isn't the topic at hand - its how bad the mob is.
Read that article I linked to about the guy that was falsely accused. This time around it *looks* like solid evidence against him - but we're completely reinforcing the witch hunts.
You wanna call the guy an asshole and post it on facebook so all your friends can see how much you care about the lions for a few days out of the year fine whatever. But the people that put out his house and practice address, pictures of his house, pictures of his family... thats just going too far. So now you involve his children so the guy basically has to disappear because he fears for his familys safety until the short attention spanned social justice warriors find the next thing to pretend to be outraged by
Mr.BishopRight but the problem here isn't the topic at hand - its how bad the mob is.
Read that article I linked to about the guy that was falsely accused. This time around it *looks* like solid evidence against him - but we're completely reinforcing the witch hunts.
Next time around could be way worse.
True. The shitty thing s. People don't seem to care about anything or anybody unless one of these internet crusades comes up on the forums or their facebook newsfeed.
Then they'll jump on board with pretty much anything screaming about the person and how they should die.
XtRemE11Peoples reactions to this are kind of scary. Saying this guy should be killed, fed to the lions, some guy on facebook detailing how they should torture him etc.. dafuq?
I dont agree with shooting lions either, but if you seriously think this guy needs to be killed or tortured for killing a lion im gonna have to say you're a much bigger piece of shit than this guy. valuing an animals life over a humans life is pretty fucked.
How many of these people eat meat? or have in their life. even if you're a vegan now, but ate a steak 10 years ago, you supported cruel treatment of animals thats far worse than what this guy did. I eat meat every day, and I dont agree with how the meat industry treats animals, but i value eating meat over a cows life.
Just because you indirectly support animal cruelty doesnt make you better than this guy who does it directly.
What i dont like is that its a lion, i would never kill an animal like that because they're awesome. but thats my thinking based on my upbringing influenced by my societies views. I wouldnt have to think twice about killing a deer or cow because i see them as walking steaks, a pretty worthless animal. just because we see a lion as a "beautiful majestic animal" doesnt make its life more important than a cow, some other culture may value that cow's life over a lions.
People love to let out their anger and show their inner fucked up-ness when they have an acceptable means to let it out. and this is a perfect example. These people preach the value of this animals life like they're so above this lion killer, then say they want him tortured and murdered. its amazing how idiotic people are.
I mean, there was a guy in my town who buried a dog and ran over it with a lawnmower. If someone does that, to in inocent animal just for kicks, then they lose they re humanity in my eyes, and are worth less than that animal. Doesn't mean he should be killed but Definetly means he's a shitty escuse of a human being and deserves no respecr
LonelyI mean, there was a guy in my town who buried a dog and ran over it with a lawnmower. If someone does that, to in inocent animal just for kicks, then they lose they re humanity in my eyes, and are worth less than that animal. Doesn't mean he should be killed but Definetly means he's a shitty escuse of a human being and deserves no respecr
thats psychopath level shit, its perfectly reasonable to think that guys a shitty excuse for a human. this guy didnt come up with some sick twisted way of killing the lion, he shot it with the intent to kill it and thats that. i doubt he was killing it to get a boner from watching it suffer.
theabortionatorTrue. The shitty thing s. People don't seem to care about anything or anybody unless one of these internet crusades comes up on the forums or their facebook newsfeed.
Then they'll jump on board with pretty much anything screaming about the person and how they should die.
And will read in a few
No doubt, All the people calling him a huge douche-bag for being a trophy hunter like he's the only one. He's a dick face for the way he carried out or allowed the hunt to be carried out.
I don't agree with trophy hunting personally, especially when the excuse is "the money and meat from the hunt is helping the locals" if you care about the locals donate your weapon so that they can hunt themselves. On the other hand, hunting if you're shooting an overpopulated species to eat is great.
You want me to bump that feminist thread where you kept yelling out studies that were horrificly wrong?
But that set aside all the evidence point to that this was poaching not hunting in Africa. It doesn't make any sense that Bishop compared this to the Boston bombing. He's out of the country so I don't think he'll be tried by a court unless the US sends him over, and I don't see the government extraditing one of their own citizens to a friendly country.
He also shot the thing with a bow and let it bleed out for 40 hours before tracking and shooting it, so even if he was hunting it (which we know for a fact he wasn't) it was extraordinarily unethical.
nocturnalYou want me to bump that feminist thread where you kept yelling out studies that were horrificly wrong?
But that set aside all the evidence point to that this was poaching not hunting in Africa. It doesn't make any sense that Bishop compared this to the Boston bombing. He's out of the country so I don't think he'll be tried by a court unless the US sends him over, and I don't see the government extraditing one of their own citizens to a friendly country.
He also shot the thing with a bow and let it bleed out for 40 hours before tracking and shooting it, so even if he was hunting it (which we know for a fact he wasn't) it was extraordinarily unethical.
Please, find studies I quoted.
And you think he intentionally let it bleed out? Lol
And you think he intentionally let it bleed out? Lol
You mean like one in ten college women are raped? You really want me to rebump that thread?
I don't think he intentionally wanted to let it bled out, but he shot it with a bow because he knew what he was doing was illegal and guns are lould and can be heard. He also tampered with the GPS collar around it after he baited it so it would leave a wildlife preserve. He also broke the law by trying to bring an endangered animal over international border lines, which is shocking no one is talking about.
And on top of that he also got a year probation amd found guilty for another (hunting accident) because he lied about hunting a bear a few years ago. I don't know why you're trying to defend this person obviously he shouldn't be killed, but he should definitely be punished, because he knew what he was doing was not legal. He will never see the inside of a cell he's rich that's what's upsetting.
nocturnalYou mean like one in ten college women are raped? You really want me to rebump that thread?
I don't think he intentionally wanted to let it bled out, but he shot it with a bow because he knew what he was doing was illegal and guns are lould and can be heard. He also tampered with the GPS collar around it after he baited it so it would leave a wildlife preserve. He also broke the law by trying to bring an endangered animal over international border lines, which is shocking no one is talking about.
And on top of that he also got a year probation amd found guilty for another (hunting accident) because he lied about hunting a bear a few years ago. I don't know why you're trying to defend this person obviously he shouldn't be killed, but he should definitely be punished, because he knew what he was doing was not legal. He will never see the inside of a cell he's rich that's what's upsetting.
So you know anything about hunting? The majority of the time the animal doesnt just drop dead, they bleed out. Also african lions are not on the endangered species list and are therefore legal to transport internationally
.Hugo.So you know anything about hunting? The majority of the time the animal doesnt just drop dead, they bleed out. Also african lions are not on the endangered species list and are therefore legal to transport internationally
I should say larger animals. Obviously you can toast ducks, pheasants etc
.Hugo.So you know anything about hunting? The majority of the time the animal doesnt just drop dead, they bleed out. Also african lions are not on the endangered species list and are therefore legal to transport internationally
It was on a preserve amd had to be baited away making it full under endangered catagory, and is a direct violation of the lacey act.
nocturnalYou mean like one in ten college women are raped? You really want me to rebump that thread?
I don't think he intentionally wanted to let it bled out, but he shot it with a bow because he knew what he was doing was illegal and guns are lould and can be heard. He also tampered with the GPS collar around it after he baited it so it would leave a wildlife preserve. He also broke the law by trying to bring an endangered animal over international border lines, which is shocking no one is talking about.
And on top of that he also got a year probation amd found guilty for another (hunting accident) because he lied about hunting a bear a few years ago. I don't know why you're trying to defend this person obviously he shouldn't be killed, but he should definitely be punished, because he knew what he was doing was not legal. He will never see the inside of a cell he's rich that's what's upsetting.
Idc. You seem like you want to. But you won't find me talking about studies haha.
californiagrownIdc. You seem like you want to. But you won't find me talking about studies haha.
You don't know anything about hunting. At all.
That's my point you didn't pull up anything about a study you just kept yelling 1 out of 10 women and its incorrect.
But that's not what we're talking about I want to know why you're defending this person? He's a repeat offender and all the evidence that we've heard so far points to the fact that he's guilty, so what point are you trying to make? He baited an animal out of a preserve to kill it, that's wrong.
nocturnalIt was on a preserve amd had to be baited away making it full under endangered catagory, and is a direct violation of the lacey act.
While I've done no research into it and don't know any better, I feel like drawing an animal outside of a nature preserve would not have any impact on whether or not it's considered endangered. Protected? Yes. Endangered? No.
saskskierWhile I've done no research into it and don't know any better, I feel like drawing an animal outside of a nature preserve would not have any impact on whether or not it's considered endangered. Protected? Yes. Endangered? No.
Protected or endangered doesn't really matter what you call it killing an animal in a preserve, and then mailing it back to the US is in violation of the lacy Act.
nocturnalProtected or endangered doesn't really matter what you call it killing an animal in a preserve, and then mailing it back to the US is in violation of the lacy Act.
nocturnalThat's my point you didn't pull up anything about a study you just kept yelling 1 out of 10 women and its incorrect.
But that's not what we're talking about I want to know why you're defending this person? He's a repeat offender and all the evidence that we've heard so far points to the fact that he's guilty, so what point are you trying to make? He baited an animal out of a preserve to kill it, that's wrong.
You're just lying. I guess you do that a lot though, huh?
What else has he poached? Did he know he had done anything illegal, or was he simply relying on his guide to... Guide him?
I prefer to hear all the facts before making up my mind.
XtRemE11thats psychopath level shit, its perfectly reasonable to think that guys a shitty excuse for a human. this guy didnt come up with some sick twisted way of killing the lion, he shot it with the intent to kill it and thats that. i doubt he was killing it to get a boner from watching it suffer.
Honestly whether you or not you think this guy deserves punishment, trophy hunting in that fashion is such a pussy thing to do. I would honestly be embarrassed. You have to pay all these people, get all this help, and hunt from the safety of your vehicle to kill this awesome creature and then brag about it. You didn't do anything. You didn't "hunt" it. Its like raping a hot model and then bragging to your friends about it. It's just something to be ashamed of.
You don't have to go out there with your spear and loincloth, but at the same time the current methods are stupid.
SKI.INGHonestly whether you or not you think this guy deserves punishment, trophy hunting in that fashion is such a pussy thing to do. I would honestly be embarrassed. You have to pay all these people, get all this help, and hunt from the safety of your vehicle to kill this awesome creature and then brag about it. You didn't do anything. You didn't "hunt" it. Its like raping a hot model and then bragging to your friends about it. It's just something to be ashamed of.
You don't have to go out there with your spear and loincloth, but at the same time the current methods are stupid.
it's pretty fucked to go after an endangered animal. But he bought a "license" and thought what he was doing was legal. Still don't agree with it, but he was told it was okay.
Vinnymorgit's pretty fucked to go after an endangered animal. But he bought a "license" and thought what he was doing was legal. Still don't agree with it, but he was told it was okay.
californiagrownYou're just lying. I guess you do that a lot though, huh?
What else has he poached? Did he know he had done anything illegal, or was he simply relying on his guide to... Guide him?
I prefer to hear all the facts before making up my mind.
Palmer was profiled in 2009 by the New York Times after he killed a trophy elk in California.
Palmer told the Times that he paid $45,000 to hunt at the elk habitat in 2009 and killed it with a bow and arrow. He learned how to hunt at 5.
“I don’t have a golf game,” Palmer told the Times.
In 2008, he faced prison time and eventually was placed on probation after admitting to making a false statement to a federal agent in connection with his hunt of a black bear in Wisconsin. Palmer shot a black bear in 2006 about 40 miles outside the zone where he was licensed to hunt, and then lied about it to a U.S. Fish and Wildlife agent, claiming he shot it in the correct zone.
Palmer was ordered to pay $2,938 in restitution and was placed on probation for one year, court records show.
Hi guys
just wondering here
What is the difference between this lion and, say a deer that people hunt regularly?
Both animals, both majestic and cute
So what???
HamFaceGirlHi guys
just wondering here
What is the difference between this lion and, say a deer that people hunt regularly?
Both animals, both majestic and cute
So what???
Lions are rare, deer are plentiful
Lions are not tasty, deer are tasty
It's absolutely ridiculous how far people are taking this. This man's life is worth more than Cecil the lions life. If it was a wild lion no one would care.. But think about it.. When you kill a tame lion you aren't hurting the lion population because that lion isn't technically a part of it.. The real lions are out in the wild and are not tame. Those are the ones that matter.
But still, human life > animal life. But when you believe that we are just highly evolved animals it's probably hard to see that...... Yeah I went there again lol
milk_manBut still, human life > animal life. But when you believe that we are just highly evolved animals it's probably hard to see that...... Yeah I went there again lol
But we are animals, technically. We are just a different species. And (generally) in our minds our species comes first. Not much more to it lol
MinggBut we are animals, technically. We are just a different species. And (generally) in our minds our species comes first. Not much more to it lol
You cannot argue against the fact that there is something unique about human life, right? We have the ability to act by right and wrong, rather than just going by instinct. We have souls; animals do not.
But I don't think you and I will ever see this the same, though I deeply hope we do
cobra_commanderIf you look take a quick look at Africa and the thing that really gets your goat is a dude shooting a lion, you need to step the fuck back.
Sad and pathetic? yes. A big fucking deal? No.
I hate quotes like this. It pretty much says you can only be angry at one thing at a time. World hunger, aids, corruption, war, etc have all been on the news. They're issues that people know about. It's not like the world only found 2 days ago that 90% of Africa was starving and that Cecil got killed.
nocturnalPalmer was profiled in 2009 by the New York Times after he killed a trophy elk in California.
Palmer told the Times that he paid $45,000 to hunt at the elk habitat in 2009 and killed it with a bow and arrow. He learned how to hunt at 5.
“I don’t have a golf game,” Palmer told the Times.
In 2008, he faced prison time and eventually was placed on probation after admitting to making a false statement to a federal agent in connection with his hunt of a black bear in Wisconsin. Palmer shot a black bear in 2006 about 40 miles outside the zone where he was licensed to hunt, and then lied about it to a U.S. Fish and Wildlife agent, claiming he shot it in the correct zone.
Palmer was ordered to pay $2,938 in restitution and was placed on probation for one year, court records show.
Also feel free to reread the being of that thread where you left it after you could t respound to the posts after being wrong.
That's not all the facts. That isthreadone side of the facts. Seems like you've already made up your mind that he is guilty. That's not very ethical of you.
As for the other thread, what are you even talking about. You seem very perturbed about something that doesn't exist.
cobra_commanderIf you look take a quick look at Africa and the thing that really gets your goat is a dude shooting a lion, you need to step the fuck back.
Sad and pathetic? yes. A big fucking deal? No.
No doubt, children are murdered daily, adolescent girls have their vaginas mutilated regularity in Africa, but hold on this is the guy social media thinks should be hung. What the guy did was probably wrong with regards to poaching, and trophy hunting is dumb, but really people?
milk_manIt's absolutely ridiculous how far people are taking this. This man's life is worth more than Cecil the lions life. If it was a wild lion no one would care.. But think about it.. When you kill a tame lion you aren't hurting the lion population because that lion isn't technically a part of it.. The real lions are out in the wild and are not tame. Those are the ones that matter.
But still, human life > animal life. But when you believe that we are just highly evolved animals it's probably hard to see that...... Yeah I went there again lol
MinggBut we are animals, technically. We are just a different species. And (generally) in our minds our species comes first. Not much more to it lol
If you maintain that we are the superior species, separated by other species due to our ability to use reason, be autonomous, and therefore capable of moral action then that superiority has certain consequences, namely to act like it and not to act like the species beneath you which are incapable of such action (because acting against it would be irrational and therefore contrary to what separates you from the beasts of this world).
If we maintain that we are the superior species (the one guided by reason), then we cannot simply do whatever we want to species beneath us. You have a direct duty to yourself to uphold being a rational being, capable of acting in accordance with that reason. Acting against reason, lessens your own humanity.
I don't want to start an anti-hunting thing, that's not my aim. But if you think you are a member of the superior species on this planet guided by reason, then act like it. Trophy hunting, and specifically this guys's actions, border more on causing unnecessary cruelty and while human life>animal life I think we would be mistaken in saying his actions aren't a big deal (for his own humanity's sake). His actions (at the very least, I would argue) reflect quite poorly on him in his moral duty to act like being guided by reason and thus detract something from his own humanity. He becomes more brutish, less human, with these actions.
milk_manIt's absolutely ridiculous how far people are taking this. This man's life is worth more than Cecil the lions life. If it was a wild lion no one would care.. But think about it.. When you kill a tame lion you aren't hurting the lion population because that lion isn't technically a part of it.. The real lions are out in the wild and are not tame. Those are the ones that matter.
But still, human life > animal life. But when you believe that we are just highly evolved animals it's probably hard to see that...... Yeah I went there again lol
haha what? a tame lion? its not a fucking circus animal.
The issues i have with this are that even though it is not an endangered animal he may have acted illegally.
The Zimbabwe authorities have to take a hard line on this to discourage people from other illegal hunting, ie poaching, and the hunting of endangered species.
in addition how can you not realise you have done something wrong when you finally track the animal, after shooting it, that it has a GPS collar on it? This was a studied animal, and killing it is a massive inconvenience to the those carrying out the research.
i'm not sure why he was shooting it with a bow
also to the people comparing it to a killing other animals such as bulls/cows. These are animals specifically bred for the purpose of our consumption, don't pretend that there isn't some continuum of the value of life of animals. Obviously a human life is worth more than the lions, even if he is a complete asshole.
Do i have a problem with people hunting lions? Not at all, provided it is legal and the funds are going to the local people and improving their economic situation as opposed to going into some corrupt officials pocket.
I have pretty high doubts about the capability of the Zimbabwe judicial system.
californiagrownThat's not all the facts. That isthreadone side of the facts. Seems like you've already made up your mind that he is guilty. That's not very ethical of you.
As for the other thread, what are you even talking about. You seem very perturbed about something that doesn't exist.
Because apparently you don't remember making the post go back to page 4 of the thread and read this.
"it starts before college with societal conditioning. Then there is the FACT that more than 10% of college women will suffer an unspeakable physchological trauma in the form of rape at some point during their studies." My whole point was that's not a fact and youre also posting up bullshit from I don't know what study.
Finally he also has other priors, including fishing without a license. He also settled out of court for sexual harassment suit. I'm not going to count the sexual harassment lawsuit, but that is two other priors that has to do with hunting.
I'm very surprised that you're still supporting this person with all the evidence presented I highly doubt you would be like this for people accused of rape or accusations of somebody being a pedophile.
But seriously, no matter how you look at this... the question needs to be asked - Trophy Hunting, how is this still a thing?
Wasn't the black rhinoceros declared extinct a few years back due to poaching? where was the outrage then? (probably would have been more if it was an American who killed the last of them remaining..)
And then there are these disgusting acts that make people pissed for 5 minutes until they see a video about cats or a buzzfeed top ten.. why's this blown up so hugely? Is it because we all saw Lion King growing up and now Lions are rendered godlike? lol.
nocturnalBecause apparently you don't remember making the post go back to page 4 of the thread and read this.
"it starts before college with societal conditioning. Then there is the FACT that more than 10% of college women will suffer an unspeakable physchological trauma in the form of rape at some point during their studies." My whole point was that's not a fact and youre also posting up bullshit from I don't know what study.
Finally he also has other priors, including fishing without a license. He also settled out of court for sexual harassment suit. I'm not going to count the sexual harassment lawsuit, but that is two other priors that has to do with hunting.
I'm very surprised that you're still supporting this person with all the evidence presented I highly doubt you would be like this for people accused of rape or accusations of somebody being a pedophile.
I never said that, you're making it up.
And the dude wwas fishing without a license? Haha are you also gonna bring up the time he got a parking ticket?
onenerdykidIf you maintain that we are the superior species, separated by other species due to our ability to use reason, be autonomous, and therefore capable of moral action then that superiority has certain consequences, namely to act like it and not to act like the species beneath you which are incapable of such action (because acting against it would be irrational and therefore contrary to what separates you from the beasts of this world).
If we maintain that we are the superior species (the one guided by reason), then we cannot simply do whatever we want to species beneath us. You have a direct duty to yourself to uphold being a rational being, capable of acting in accordance with that reason. Acting against reason, lessens your own humanity.
I don't want to start an anti-hunting thing, that's not my aim. But if you think you are a member of the superior species on this planet guided by reason, then act like it. Trophy hunting, and specifically this guys's actions, border more on causing unnecessary cruelty and while human life>animal life I think we would be mistaken in saying his actions aren't a big deal (for his own humanity's sake). His actions (at the very least, I would argue) reflect quite poorly on him in his moral duty to act like being guided by reason and thus detract something from his own humanity. He becomes more brutish, less human, with these actions.
As someone who hunts and fishes, I believe we need to treat all animal species with respect. If the deer population is running low, we need to hunt less deer. If a certain lake is running out of walleye, we need to fish other lakes. And I also believe that if you kill an animal, you need to eat it. I don't see the point in killing lions. I'm sure if I lived in the African wilderness I would not feel bad about killing lions that would threaten me--but to kill them for no reason doesn't make any sense. It shouldn't surprise us though. Hunting rare species has been a hobby of rich people for a loooooonng time.
But still, my main point is that this man's life should not be ruined over killing Cecil. Sure, he should face whatever consequences that are coming and I hope they aren't too ridiculous.. But the amount of death threats and people protesting outside his business and even outside his HOUSE is absurd and wrong.
