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Bernie Sanders will ruin America!!!!

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S.J.W
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Bernie introduced a bill today to make all college "free" by introducing a transfer tax on large amounts of stock and money transfers by speculators on wall street. Under his plan the federal government would cover 67% (47 billion) and the remaining 33% ( 23 billion) would be covered by the states.

Mark my words, THIS BILL WILL RUIN AMERICA!!!!
May 20 2015 9:31PM
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fresh_prince
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like from weekend at Bernie's? I love that movie
May 20 2015 9:33PM
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Brocka_Flocka
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Oh yea, because a free, public education is a TERRIBLE thing...........
May 20 2015 10:54PM
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.CJ.
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Brocka_FlockaOh yea, because a free, public education is a TERRIBLE thing...........


It's still not "free." Taxpayers who don't want/haven't gone to college are still paying for people who are going to college. So I see that as a "TERRIBLE" thing...
May 20 2015 10:58PM
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SFB
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fuck off commie
May 20 2015 11:02PM
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cornholio
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Jesus how much can one dbag Aussie/Canadian care about what happens in the US?
May 20 2015 11:04PM
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S.J.W
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cornholioJesus how much can one dbag Aussie/Canadian care about what happens in the US?


because what America does has ripple effects on what is done in Australia.
May 20 2015 11:10PM
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GayWolf420
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.CJ.It's still not "free." Taxpayers who don't want/haven't gone to college are still paying for people who are going to college. So I see that as a "TERRIBLE" thing...


I still fail to see how thats a bad thing, actually. Paying into a system so that education is more affordable For everyone? seems dumb to be against others going to college because you werent able too, or simply chose not too.
May 21 2015 3:44AM
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las.
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America is already ruined
May 21 2015 7:54AM
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CheddarJack
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You can fuck me sideways if this bill passes.
May 22 2015 1:59PM
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deleted5
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DeebieSkeebiesI still fail to see how thats a bad thing, actually. Paying into a system so that education is more affordable For everyone? seems dumb to be against others going to college because you werent able too, or simply chose not too.


For every one dollar spent on education, the states will see a 6$ return.
May 22 2015 2:03PM
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Nikolaus
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CheddarJackYou can fuck me sideways if this bill passes.


My pleasure
May 22 2015 4:18PM
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cobra_commander
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One of the outstanding features of the United States is that the government is by design hamstrung in such a way that one man can not ruin the country - one way or another.
May 22 2015 4:24PM
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safety.third
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cobra_commanderOne of the outstanding features of the United States is that the government is by design hamstrung in such a way that one man can not ruin the country - one way or another.


but collectively, our political leaders are doing a damn fine job of doing so
May 22 2015 5:08PM
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ohmyglob8
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BERNIE 2016!!!!! honestly fuck all who think this is bad. look at the UK or Norway, they're doing it, and its not every college that will become free its the state run colleges that will, the ones that are private will remain the way they are. even if we have to pay slightly more in taxes, honestly the socio-economic return in creating free tuition will outweigh the costs. so such it hilary
May 23 2015 2:24AM
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ImNotARacist
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SFBfuck off commie


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Oct 1 2015 1:26AM
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KillaSeason
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If Bernie bumfuck Sanders runs this country or any other democrat for that matter I'm moving to Canada
Oct 1 2015 1:29AM
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ThaLorax
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KillaSeasonIf Bernie bumfuck Sanders runs this country or any other democrat for that matter I'm moving to Canada


You sound like the democrats when Bush was about to be elected. Guess how many people actually moved?
Oct 1 2015 1:33AM
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ImNotARacist
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KillaSeasonIf Bernie bumfuck Sanders runs this country or any other democrat for that matter I'm moving to Canada


Most of Canada sides with democrats and like 70% would have voted for obama so that would be a dumb move on your part.
Oct 1 2015 1:38AM
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deleted5
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KillaSeasonIf Bernie bumfuck Sanders runs this country or any other democrat for that matter I'm moving to Canada


Implying the guy sitting in the top chair actually matters. Remember when every doctor said they would move to Canada after the ACA, and everyone who still bitches about Obama....
Oct 1 2015 2:20AM
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las.
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.CJ.It's still not "free." Taxpayers who don't want/haven't gone to college are still paying for people who are going to college. So I see that as a "TERRIBLE" thing...


Nothing's free. Your, or most likely your parents', taxes already go in part towards secondary level education. Being against subsidised tertiary education on the grounds of taxes is illogical and narrow-minded.
Oct 1 2015 6:24AM
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FastSpeed
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He has some great ideas like free college, and give money to the poor and shit but, America $0 to be spending on that type of shit. We are currently swimming in debt because the last 5 presidents have been so bad. We have bigger problems like global warming
Oct 1 2015 8:24AM
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Turd.Ferguson
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.CJ.It's still not "free." Taxpayers who don't want/haven't gone to college are still paying for people who are going to college. So I see that as a "TERRIBLE" thing...


just like i get money taken out of my paycheck to go to social security??? By the time I am old enough to receive benefits, I wont be receiving those benefits due to the fact that the system is broken. and don't worry, i'd rather have my tax money going to someone who wants for something more important than repaving a road for the fifth time in two years.
Oct 1 2015 8:57AM
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louie.mirags
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Brocka_FlockaOh yea, because a free, public education is a TERRIBLE thing...........


nothing is free. This would only further effect the lower and middle class - the people who are already struggling to pay for college.

I want to hold a sign that says that at rallies because Bernie has 10s of thousands of privileged college kids playing the victim. There are problems like starving kids, homeless people, the failed drug war, private prisons, the fucking wars we're in etc and you have 1000s of privileged kids crying about free college. It is comical.

KillaSeasonIf Bernie bumfuck Sanders runs this country or any other democrat for that matter I'm moving to Canada


ThaLoraxYou sound like the democrats when Bush was about to be elected. Guess how many people actually moved?


ha exactly! I always wanted to find the people who said that shit back then and call them out for it. This thread will get bumped if a democrat wins to call out Killa
Oct 1 2015 9:00AM
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S.J.W
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louie.miragsnothing is free. This would only further effect the lower and middle class - the people who are already struggling to pay for college.

I want to hold a sign that says that at rallies because Bernie has 10s of thousands of privileged college kids playing the victim. There are problems like starving kids, homeless people, the failed drug war, private prisons, the fucking wars we're in etc and you have 1000s of privileged kids crying about free college. It is comical.


How exactly does "free" state college further affect the low and middle class? It's not like their taxes will go up ten fold. Bernie wants to impose a tax on wall street trades.

And as to your second part. Bernie has pretty much raised every issue you mentioned.
Oct 1 2015 10:01AM
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louie.mirags
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S.J.WHow exactly does "free" state college further affect the low and middle class? It's not like their taxes will go up ten fold. Bernie wants to impose a tax on wall street trades.

And as to your second part. Bernie has pretty much raised every issue you mentioned.


I am just pointing out the fact that he campaigns on adding all of this free shit without realizing nothing is free. Tax money will be effected one way or another if they keep adding government policies. And for the most, college kids are privileged. So when you see rich kids campaigning for Sanders I find it ironic because lots of them already have everything. So they dwell on issues like free college because that is how they can play the victim. You don't see as many college kids screaming about ending war because it doesn't affect them...
Oct 1 2015 10:26AM
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louie.miragsI am just pointing out the fact that he campaigns on adding all of this free shit without realizing nothing is free. Tax money will be effected one way or another if they keep adding government policies. And for the most, college kids are privileged. So when you see rich kids campaigning for Sanders I find it ironic because lots of them already have everything. So they dwell on issues like free college because that is how they can play the victim. You don't see as many college kids screaming about ending war because it doesn't affect them...


Ugh this post kinda stinks...

You really think Sanders,a career politician, thinks all this "free shit" is going to appear out of thin air?

You think it's a privilege to be 80k+ in debt when leaving school, debt that you can never declare bankruptcy on?

I see plenty of college aged kids "screaming" about ending the war on this website alone.

You are greatly generalizing an entire group of people.
Oct 1 2015 10:32AM
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louie.mirags
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Granite_StateUgh this post kinda stinks...

You really think Sanders,a career politician, thinks all this "free shit" is going to appear out of thin air?

You think it's a privilege to be 80k+ in debt when leaving school, debt that you can never declare bankruptcy on?

I see plenty of college aged kids "screaming" about ending the war on this website alone.

You are greatly generalizing an entire group of people.


I am generalizing because I hear people mentioning universal health care, free college, more aid here there, ban guns etc. A bunch of policies that sound ideal as fuck but not easily feasible. Free in terms of new policies usually means robbing from peter to pay paul
Oct 1 2015 10:34AM
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ImNotARacist
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louie.miragsAnd for the most, college kids are privileged.


Yeah go to a night class at a community college, the majority of students are neither.
Oct 1 2015 10:55AM
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SterlingArcher
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You're Canadian so why do you care? You always bitch and moan about how Americans suck and are fat and stupid compared to your brilliant mind. So just do us all a favor shut the fuck up, go spank off to degrassi or whatever you like to do, and stop trying to rustle jimmies.

(no offense to other Canadians love you guys)
Oct 1 2015 11:03AM
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louie.mirags
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_Fluffy_Yeah go to a night class at a community college, the majority of students are neither.


I graduated from a community college myself. I admit I am generalizing and talking politics hurts my brain. I am just basing my dumb generalizations off the kids from universities believing in the need for free college when they chose to go to a expensive private institution.

I just want to say that adding more government policies is rarely ever going to fix the problems in America. And it is definitely not going to fix the debt problem.
Oct 1 2015 11:03AM
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byubound
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DeebieSkeebiesI still fail to see how thats a bad thing, actually. Paying into a system so that education is more affordable For everyone? seems dumb to be against others going to college because you werent able too, or simply chose not too.


Being against others going to college is definitely not the same as not paying for them to go.
Oct 1 2015 11:05AM
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ImNotARacist
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louie.miragsI graduated from a community college myself. I admit I am generalizing and talking politics hurts my brain. I am just basing my dumb generalizations off the kids from universities believing in the need for free college when they chose to go to a expensive private institution.

I just want to say that adding more government policies is rarely ever going to fix the problems in America. And it is definitely not going to fix the debt problem.


I definitely Agree. I think it would only make sense if the free college was for very specific career paths with jobs that need to be filled.
Oct 1 2015 11:19AM
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S.J.W
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SterlingArcherYou're Canadian so why do you care? You always bitch and moan about how Americans suck and are fat and stupid compared to your brilliant mind. So just do us all a favor shut the fuck up, go spank off to degrassi or whatever you like to do, and stop trying to rustle jimmies.

(no offense to other Canadians love you guys)


So people are only allowed opinions for countries they live in?
Oct 1 2015 11:21AM
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louie.mirags
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_Fluffy_I definitely Agree. I think it would only make sense if the free college was for very specific career paths with jobs that need to be filled.


that is an interesting take on it.. I have found and also read that there is not a lack of jobs but a lack of qualified people to fill the jobs. A great example is where I work. We have had a Network Engineer position open since March and have not filled it yet. We barely even get any resumes in.
Oct 1 2015 11:22AM
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S.J.W
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louie.miragsthat is an interesting take on it.. I have found and also read that there is not a lack of jobs but a lack of qualified people to fill the jobs. A great example is where I work. We have had a Network Engineer position open since March and have not filled it yet. We barely even get any resumes in.


Yeah there's something like 3 million skilled jobs in the US that are still not filled because of unskilled workers. And that costs the US economy 160 billion a year.
Oct 1 2015 11:27AM
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I want to hold a sign that says that at rallies because Bernie has 10s of thousands of privileged college kids playing the victim. There are problems like starving kids, homeless people, the failed drug war, private prisons, the fucking wars we're in etc and you have 1000s of privileged kids crying about free college. It is comical.





tha failed drug war and private prisons are both things that bernie is going to try to end
Oct 1 2015 11:32AM
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ImNotARacist
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louie.miragsthat is an interesting take on it.. I have found and also read that there is not a lack of jobs but a lack of qualified people to fill the jobs. A great example is where I work. We have had a Network Engineer position open since March and have not filled it yet. We barely even get any resumes in.


S.J.WYeah there's something like 3 million skilled jobs in the US that are still not filled because of unskilled workers. And that costs the US economy 160 billion a year.


Mike Rowe needs to endorse Bernie Sanders.
Oct 1 2015 11:32AM
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elcornholio
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Still better than Trump.
Oct 1 2015 11:53AM
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ThaLorax
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louie.miragsthat is an interesting take on it.. I have found and also read that there is not a lack of jobs but a lack of qualified people to fill the jobs. A great example is where I work. We have had a Network Engineer position open since March and have not filled it yet. We barely even get any resumes in.


Do you not think that creating affordable/free college would allow for more people to have the opportunity to gain the necessary experience for said jobs? Many brilliant lower/middle class people forgo college becase they are afraid of the incurred debt. If the tuition were paid through taxes, sure, you'd pay a little more on your taxes, but you'd also be helping produce a better work force and therefore a better economy. The best way to get rid of debt is to spend a few billion less on "defence" and add a few billion to education. Look at Germany, they have free education, they even offer free graduate school to foreigners, and they have the largest economy in Europe and the 4th largest GDP in the world.


What's the stat that gets thrown around all the time? Every dollar spent on education today puts 6 dollars back into the economy in the long term.
Oct 1 2015 12:10PM
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californiagrown
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Hey guys, here is an idea!

Lets cut all college sports that dont make money! Use that money towards scholarships. No one gives a fuck about womens sports, or tennis, or golf, or swimming, or, frankly, anything other than top football and basketball programs.
Oct 1 2015 12:16PM
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louie.mirags
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ThaLoraxDo you not think that creating affordable/free college would allow for more people to have the opportunity to gain the necessary experience for said jobs? Many brilliant lower/middle class people forgo college becase they are afraid of the incurred debt. If the tuition were paid through taxes, sure, you'd pay a little more on your taxes, but you'd also be helping produce a better work force and therefore a better economy. The best way to get rid of debt is to spend a few billion less on "defence" and add a few billion to education. Look at Germany, they have free education, they even offer free graduate school to foreigners, and they have the largest economy in Europe and the 4th largest GDP in the world.


What's the stat that gets thrown around all the time? Every dollar spent on education today puts 6 dollars back into the economy in the long term.


I highly support lowering the defense budget to put that into the education budget. However not everybody needs to go to college. I do not know anybody who was college ready who did not go to college because it was expensive. I do know poor people who went though on the government's dime and got degrees. They already have assistance programs. I also know people who had assistance and still managed to fail out. I say not everybody needs to go because with all of this talk about college being necessary, trade jobs get looked over. For some folks, going straight to work after high school to learn a trade is more beneficial than spending 30k on a 2-year trade school degree.
Oct 1 2015 1:30PM
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ThaLorax
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louie.miragsI highly support lowering the defense budget to put that into the education budget. However not everybody needs to go to college. I do not know anybody who was college ready who did not go to college because it was expensive. I do know poor people who went though on the government's dime and got degrees. They already have assistance programs. I also know people who had assistance and still managed to fail out. I say not everybody needs to go because with all of this talk about college being necessary, trade jobs get looked over. For some folks, going straight to work after high school to learn a trade is more beneficial than spending 30k on a 2-year trade school degree.


I agree, so respectively, I think you're missing the point. The point is to create the opportunity for anybody to attend college if they should choose to do so. If not, the opportunity is always there. The "assistance programs" you mention are simply loans, grants and scholarships which does not create opportunity for EVERYONE. Just those who are eligible for them.
Oct 1 2015 1:35PM
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S.J.W
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louie.miragsI highly support lowering the defense budget to put that into the education budget. However not everybody needs to go to college. I do not know anybody who was college ready who did not go to college because it was expensive. I do know poor people who went though on the government's dime and got degrees. They already have assistance programs. I also know people who had assistance and still managed to fail out. I say not everybody needs to go because with all of this talk about college being necessary, trade jobs get looked over. For some folks, going straight to work after high school to learn a trade is more beneficial than spending 30k on a 2-year trade school degree.


What you seem to be forgetting is that pretty much every other country that subsidizes higher education has some form of restricting how many degrees/ students it takes in. Forcing people to look at other options. In Australia you need certain marks to get into uni (marks are also scaled from a standard test so the school can't just give you 100% and say you're really smart). Just because you're super rich doesn't mean you can automatically buy your way into an engineering degree. Your level of intelligence determines what degree you do.
Oct 1 2015 1:42PM
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.otto.
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S.J.WBERNIE SANDERS IS THE BEST.


I agree
Oct 1 2015 1:49PM
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nickmcnutt
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The last thing the Republican Party wants is for a nation of uneducated people to suddenly have the opportunity become educated... Then who would be left to vote Republican?
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Shewlur...
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nickmcnuttThen who would be left to vote Republican?


idk, maybe those with a proper understanding of the inter-workings of the economy? those who don't want their income taxed at neither 50%? (i.e. sweden) not going to defend some of the GOP's ridiculous stances on social issues, but to say that all republicans are stupid is just a ridiculous generalization.
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S.J.W
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Shewlur...idk, maybe those with a proper understanding of the inter-workings of the economy? those who don't want their income taxed at neither 50%? (i.e. sweden) not going to defend some of the GOP's ridiculous stances on social issues, but to say that all republicans are stupid is just a ridiculous generalization.


No but there is a direct correlation with the higher level of someone's intelligence the more likely they are to be democrat. Hence why republican states don't invest as much in education.
Oct 1 2015 2:52PM
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ThaLorax
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nickmcnuttThe last thing the Republican Party wants is for a nation of uneducated people to suddenly have the opportunity become educated... Then who would be left to vote Republican?


Today in history: Every single republican in congress just voted against equal pay and equal rights for women in the workplace.

Every single Republican in the US Senate voted against equal pay for equal work for women today. Unreal. #equalpay— Elizabeth Warren (@elizabethforma) September 16, 2014
Oct 1 2015 2:54PM
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ThaLorax
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ThaLoraxToday in history: Every single republican in congress just voted against equal pay and equal rights for women in the workplace.

Every single Republican in the US Senate voted against equal pay for equal work for women today. Unreal. #equalpay— Elizabeth Warren (@elizabethforma) September 16, 2014


Edit: Two weeks ago in history*
Oct 1 2015 2:55PM
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Shewlur...
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ThaLoraxEvery single Republican in the US Senate voted against equal pay for equal work for women today. Unreal. #equalpay— Elizabeth Warren (@elizabethforma) September 16, 2014


Maybe we can all falsely claim native american heritage to be accepted at one of the nation's top universities like she did! maybe, then, everyone can become as educated as her! gotta love liberal hypocrisy
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