CampeadorBecause you clearly don't understand that both communism and fascism are based on socialist economic models.
But I do appreciate your ability to revise history in a way that would make even Howard Zinn blush. The Cold War not being about communism? Are you insane? Last I checked the U.S. did not have any serious gripes with Imperial Russia. But sure yea cultural differences and all that, give me a fucking break.
And while I cannot know with certainty, if you are in fact the one deleting my posts you should get a grip. Deleting counter-arguments just puts your insecurity on display. Apologies if it was not you.
Fascist economies definitely were command type economies, but they were more similar to that of monarchy than that of socialism. The whole idea of a fascist economy was rooted in social darwinism, and promoted big business while destroying trade unions (which sounds oddly familiar to the USA in many ways.. huh..) Additionally, fascist economies, especially under Mussolini and Franco were both prone to sweeping changes throughout their tenures... they never really followed any one model like that of the USA or USSR... So it's definitely unfair to say that it's based in socialist economic models when really, the model just changed with whatever Il duce or El Caudillo or Der Fuhrer felt like implementing to serve their political interests.
If you know anything about many western communist parties, you'd know that they are starkly different to the Stalinist, or maoist eastern communist philosophy. They are far more marxist rather than leninist, and many within the ranks of say, the CPUSA or the PCF abhor the efforts of Stalin and consider Soviet communism to be what equates to "shit communism". The rhetoric they follow is far more in line with Marx's initial ideas about collectivism and what a 'revolution of the proletariat' really means.
if CPUSA gained power in America, or the PCF took over France, the implementation would be far more in line with industry and globalization than the fake communism that was put in place by the soviets and Chinese. 5 year plans and 'cultural revolutions' would not be necessary because the economic structure would be far more advanced than that of the aforementioned. You notice that the Soviets always had propaganda supporting workers unions and industry right? at a time when industry contributed to all of maybe fucking 20% of the nation's economic output? It's hard to have a revolution of the proletariat (which supposedly consists of industrial workers) when all the workers are actually non-unified farmers using friggin horse drawn plows and shit. The Menshevik's shared this opinion, and felt that socialism could not be implemented well in Russia at the time. They believed that Russia had to go through a capitalist stage in it's development before the revolution could occur. This orthodox marxism is what the western parties share ideology with.
So by that measure, i'd call soviet communism, and maoism more in line with a simple experiment in communism, rather than true communism (which has no head of government, in fact, has a quite SMALL government and is run more like a collective hippie farm, or team on that survivor show than a hierarchical government)
The Cold War was definitely fueled by ideology, but at it's heart, it was more of a war over control of resources. It was really closer tied to European colonialism than anything, really... You think that just because the USA converted to communism that the soviets would just team up them and they would sweep the earth in one giant red wave and create a giant communist super global government? Lol fuck no that would NOT happen. The USA and USSR might be less at odds with each other if the USA somehow became communist, but they sure as fuck would not be allies.
You want an example? Fucking look at today. Russia is capitalist right? So why are we at odds with them still? We aren't enemies so much, but we still don't trust them worth a damn, and vise versa... There are people here who are just as scared of Putin than any Soviet Premier.. And the chances of Putin being 'dethroned' are about as likely as any soviet dictator being overthrown at the time. Dude's been in power since Yeltsin drank himself to death.
Another example you ask? China and the USSR... those were both communist right? They were totally buddies and BFF's yeah? Hell, they're both fucking EASTERN! they're basically hanging out over there in Asia having a grand old red party shooting off fireworks and drinking vodka and having one giant red square parade, right? Woo hoo!!!
WRONG... the USSR and China actually fucking fought small border skirmishes with each other in the middle of the desert in the middle of nowhere ever since 1954 and the sino-soviet split... They were CONSTANTLY at odds with each other. The USSR didn't give a rats ass about Vietnam until the USA came in on a radio flyer wagon of freedom and it gave them a chance to stick one to the USA (this parallels the USA's involvement in Nicaragua and Afghanistan.. where we didn't give a shit about the contras or mujahadeen until they were fighting communists and leftists)
You say the USA didn't have any gripes with Imperial Russia? of course not... Imperial Russia was a regime the USA supported... but as soon as the Bolsheviks came into power, in comes the first Red Scare, and the USA as well as the rest of the Allies all threw resources towards the anti-communist White movement in Russia... This created an obvious and strong rift between the Bolshevik support, and what we now consider 'the west'
Though this might not have happened had the USA gone Communist at the same time, there's no telling that there wouldn't have still been a civil war if the USA had allied with Martov and the Mensheviks instead of the White movement... people would have been far more split between communist ideology worldwide, and the debate and disagreement would be internal rather than external...
**This post was edited on Jun 9th 2015 at 6:20:09am
