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TwinipzMaybe i'm being a jaded dick about this, but it's really started to get to me. Sorry if I come off as a jerk
So, recently came back from a day of skiing, and for some reason, it seems like more and more kids are getting twin tippers. Mainly Lines, with some Volk and K2 in there. Nearly every kid on the mountain owned twin tips (Not a bad thing!), and were dressed up in their "park" apparel, and.... they all sucked dick. Like, really bad. Tons of kids were "gaping" it off the lips of jumps, knuckling 5 footers, basic gaper stuff. Nobody did anything really... Stylish... Robot 180s, 50-50 boxes. Although, some kid did spin a really shifty'd FS270 out on a rail, which I made sure to applaud. Same stuff thrown over and over, no progression really
My point here is not to bag on gapers, or to be all "i'm way better than them", i'm just seeing less and less steeze in the park, and more and more gapers who don't really do anything with park, just "in it for the scene". I don't know if it is just my mountain, or it is like this all around.
My main problem with this is that I think it's giving park skiing a bad name in a sense. When you tell someone that you ski park, do you want them to think about steezy tricks, big airs, and creative riding? Or do you want them to think about all the robots who all look the same who don't progress...
That's the end of my silly rant. Again, sorry if I come off as a jerk, just trying to get my point across better.
Twinipzi'm being a jaded dick
split.viewyeah but i mean aren't like at least 50% of new skis twin tips? pretty much all of line's and k2's are, almost all pow skis have at least some rise in the tail, so that just kinda seems to be the future you know?
steeze4daysNon-twin tip skis are a thing of the past
theabortionatorThis is nothing new. OP is just noticing it because he's moving away from the gaper stage. They've had fucking hello kitty twin tips for years.
Before maybe 07 you could tell if people rode park by twins or their outerwear, even then it was on the decline.
Inb4 op sux
TwinipzMy main problem with this is that I think it's giving park skiing a bad name in a sense. When you tell someone that you ski park, do you want them to think about steezy tricks, big airs, and creative riding? Or do you want them to think about all the robots who all look the same who don't progress...
Non-twin tip skis are a thing of the past, almost all new skis are twin tips with the exception of racing skis/cross country.
find me one large manufacturer who doesnt produce solely twin tip skis who offers more twin tip model skis to its customers than non twin tips.
the only number i could find as a comparison was from 2010.
it states that in north america alone 72,129 pairs of twin tip skis were sold.
where as alpine skis sold a total of 595,653 pairs.
if your claim that all skis are now twintips with the exception of cross country and racing skis is correct, that would mean there were a total of 523,524 pairs of racing or cross country skis sold in north america during the 2010 season.
yes, this number was from 5 years ago. but any small amount of research will show you that sales of skiing hardgoods as a whole are down.
yes, freestyle skiing is getting more and more popular.
yes, more and more twin tips ski models are being manufactured and sold each year.
no, will twin tips ever eclipse the alpine market. no.
steeze4daysSki industry has changed a whole lot in the past five years bud.
Give me some up to date figures and then you can tell me I'm wrong.
sewardim not your bud, pal.
why would i tell you that youre wrong?
i agree with you.
did you read what i wrote, at all?
i completely agree the ski industry has changed in the last 5 years.
but not to the point where large manufactures are exclusively making twin tips and twin tips only.
which was the claim i was originally addressing.
i also dont think it has changed from selling 100k pairs of twins and 600k of alpine skis, to 600k pair of twins, and 100k of alpine skis.
yes, it will be really hard for me to prove this.
as mentioned in my previous post, that stat from 2010 was the only hard figured numbers i could find which actually showed statistical data of pairs sold.
can you prove to me that twin tips outsell alpine skis?
no, you cant.
its as simple as this.
walk into any non freestyle specific ski shop.
count how many twin tip models they have for sale.
now count how many non twin tip models they have for sale.
which do they have more of?
more than likely they stock more nontwin tipped skis than twin tipped, because there are more nontwintipped skis on the market, which sell more often than twin tips.
you dont really need statistical data to understand the obvious, bud.
think about large companies that basically dominate the rental market.
think about how many pairs any given resort purchases each year.
you seriously think companies sell more twins than alpine skis?
im willing to bet they sell more "rental quality" skis than twin tips alone.
and thats not even beginning to look at whatever other non twintip skis they sell.
i admire your passion for freestyle skiing. i understand and share that passion. but dont let it cloud your judgement of whats real.
steeze4daysUrgh here we go again, Don't 1st off no need to be an asshole. BUD.
You clearly don't agree with me or you wouldn't posted your reply.
Not sure where you live but all the decent ski shops I've ever been to stock about 70% twin tip 30% alpine.
Also, the post was referring to the number of people skiing on twin tips, not how many pairs are bought by huge rental companies which usually have a huge amount of excess skis just in case.
Could have had a mature discussion on your opinions and mine but you decided to be a dick instead so:
just out of curiosity, how many times did you fail grade 3?
steeze4daysAbout as many times as i fucked your mom last week....
sewardgood one bro.
you must rip it up on the tire swing at recess with that one.
p00npatrolits kinda a bummer that people worry about park skiing "getting a bad name". With skiing getting more mainstream its really important, in my opinion, that we continue to keep the culture of skiing because we enjoy it, not because we want to show some image of ourselves. I know kids that ski park for the image. they're the same kids who are little shits to people who are just trying to enjoy themselves, just like pf us on here. who the fuck cares if there are beginners in the park. Gaperdom is not contagious, and as long as they follow decent etiquette who the fuck cares what they do.
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almost all new skis are twin tips with the exception of racing skis/cross country.
pussyfooterOP you are overthinking this situation, there have been gapers in the park for years nothing has changed. 'Gapers' buying twintips and 'park' apparel is good for our sport, so just let it happen.