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Do you believe there is a God?

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milk_man
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Do you believe in God? Do you believe there is one God, or many gods? Or no God at all.. Are we alone on earth?


If there is no God then everything is relative, which means morality is relative. If you don't believe in God then where do you gain your sense of right and wrong? From laws and rules created by the GOVERNMENT?


I want interesting discussion, but preferably no one getting mad and offended. I won't get offended if you won't.
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Jan 15 2015 10:07AM
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milk_man
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brett_fisherwithout a creator how was the world made then ?


This thread is now complete because brett is here
Mar 2 2015 10:20PM
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brett_fisher
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milk_manWhy are there only chimpanzees and homo sapiens today? Why isn't anything in between alive today?


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Mar 2 2015 10:22PM
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theVan
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milk_manDo you believe in God? Do you believe there is one God, or many gods? Or no God at all.. Are we alone on earth?


If there is no God then everything is relative, which means morality is relative. If you don't believe in God then where do you gain your sense of right and wrong? From laws and rules created by the GOVERNMENT?


I want interesting discussion, but preferably no one getting mad and offended. I won't get offended if you won't.


Yes, I believe in God, I believe there is one God, I believe we are not alone on Earth, or in any other part of this Galaxy/Universe. I also believe there are many types of beings that are lesser forms that are NOT God which would lend to the idea or belief of many Gods.
Mar 2 2015 10:23PM
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.frenchy
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ShredsterrIt's true guys. Just look at Bill Gates. That guys life fucking sucks without Jesus.


That makes no sense at all.
Mar 2 2015 11:40PM
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las.
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milk_manWhy are there only chimpanzees and homo sapiens today? Why isn't anything in between alive today?


Because homo sapiens didn't evolve from chimpanzees. Come on milk man, evolution 101. Modern humans and chimps are distant relatives, both descending from a common ancestor
Mar 3 2015 6:50AM
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louie.mirags
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Mar 3 2015 9:05AM
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.frenchy
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las.Because homo


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Mar 3 2015 1:22PM
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milk_man
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las.Because homo sapiens didn't evolve from chimpanzees. Come on milk man, evolution 101. Modern humans and chimps are distant relatives, both descending from a common ancestor


I'm saying why aren't any of the steps in between chimpanzees and Homo sapiens still around.
Mar 3 2015 4:56PM
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milk_manI'm saying why aren't any of the steps in between chimpanzees and Homo sapiens still around.


chimpanzees have nothing to do with evolution in humans. That has been explained to you 5 times. Yet you keep bringing it up. You do not know what you're talking about so why you asking questions about it?
Mar 3 2015 5:36PM
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toastyteenagers
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this thread...

let people beleive what they want to believe, dont try and argue.
Mar 3 2015 6:22PM
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milk_man
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zzzskizzzchimpanzees have nothing to do with evolution in humans. That has been explained to you 5 times. Yet you keep bringing it up. You do not know what you're talking about so why you asking questions about it?


Oh so humans didn't come from chimpanzees at all? We are finally agreeing on something lol.. no you just don't understand my point
Mar 3 2015 8:03PM
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milk_man
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toastyteenagersthis thread...

let people beleive what they want to believe, dont try and argue.


I think we all can see that both myself and zzzskizzz are extremely set on our ways






inb4 zzz comes and is all "I am open minded and I will believe any scientific evidence that proves me wrong" lolol
Mar 3 2015 8:06PM
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miroz
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milk_manOh so humans didn't come from chimpanzees at all? We are finally agreeing on something lol.. no you just don't understand my point


In all seriousness, despite zzz's poor attempts, you haven't demonstrated any comprehension of the theory of evolution. It's not surprising that you don't believe it - you don't even know it.
Mar 3 2015 8:10PM
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deleted5
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milk_manOh so humans didn't come from chimpanzees at all? We are finally agreeing on something lol.. no you just don't understand my point
"between chimpanzees and Homo sapiens still around."
Mar 3 2015 8:19PM
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Lé.Skiing
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I'm not trying to prove anything by coming in here because you can't prove there is a god, just like you can't prove there isn't a god.

There is one question I have for all who believe in an all powerful god: If god is all powerful can he make something so heavy/durable that even he couldn't lift/destroy it?


No matter what your answer is it would mean he isn't all powerful.




I'm probably going to be downvoted to hell for this.
Mar 3 2015 8:19PM
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milk_manI think we all can see that both myself and zzzskizzz are extremely set on our ways






inb4 zzz comes and is all "I am open minded and I will believe any scientific evidence that proves me wrong" lolol


You dont understand evolution you've shown it in this thread, by saying things that are constantly wrong. So no your opinion is wrong, let's put your stance on the issue aside, but because you don't even have a full understanding of it. yet you try to say with an absolute certainty evolution isn't real. There are people who are religious understand it, don't believe in evolution. Those people have more validity even though they're wrong, but at least I took the time to learn it. You are just stupid and don't understand it so you're throwing out bullshit things that aren't true. because I was raised Christian and understand the Bible and understand the science of evolution it. that within itself makes my opinion more valid than yours.

You're probably 16 have never lived on your own, and your beliefs come from your parents I don't think you've ever done critical thinking for yourself. How you can just throw away the research and facts of over 98% of scientists on earth is astounding to me.

Also you still never addressed my point that there's no record of Jews are living in Egypt.
Mar 3 2015 8:33PM
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milk_man
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zzzskizzzYou dont understand evolution you've shown it in this thread, by saying things that are constantly wrong. So no your opinion is wrong, let's put your stance on the issue aside, but because you don't even have a full understanding of it. yet you try to say with an absolute certainty evolution isn't real. There are people who are religious understand it, don't believe in evolution. Those people have more validity even though they're wrong, but at least I took the time to learn it. You are just stupid and don't understand it so you're throwing out bullshit things that aren't true. because I was raised Christian and understand the Bible and understand the science of evolution it. that within itself makes my opinion more valid than yours.

You're probably 16 have never lived on your own, and your beliefs come from your parents I don't think you've ever done critical thinking for yourself. How you can just throw away the research and facts of over 98% of scientists on earth is astounding to me.

Also you still never addressed my point that there's no record of Jews are living in Egypt.




You talk to me as if I'm stupid, yet you don't even know me. How do you know that I'm not a smart person with bad communication skills through a computer? You literally would have no idea.. But of course you can learn everything on the internet and the internet is complete reality so I'm sure you know alot about me.
Mar 3 2015 8:39PM
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.frenchy
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you turds can shut the fuck up now. You aren't changing anyones minds, be the bigger man and shut the fuuuuuck up
Mar 3 2015 8:48PM
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las.
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milk_manI'm saying why aren't any of the steps in between chimpanzees and Homo sapiens still around.


And around in circles we go. Think before you speak milkman. MODERN HUMANS DIDN'T EVOLVE FROM CHIMPANZEES, WE BOTH EVOLVED FROM A COMMON ANCESTOR. There are plenty of examples in the fossil record displaying the natural evolutionary progression from that common ancestor to modern day homo sapiens.

milk_manHow do you know that I'm not a smart person


Because you disregard science and reason and logic and facts, and instead devote yourself to an imaginary, magical wizard who lives in the sky
Mar 3 2015 9:15PM
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milk_man
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las.Because you disregard science and reason and logic and facts, and instead devote yourself to an imaginary, magical wizard who lives in the sky


I do not disregard science, I will tell you that right now.
Mar 3 2015 9:25PM
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milk_man


You talk to me as if I'm stupid, yet you don't even know me. How do you know that I'm not a smart person with bad communication skills through a computer? You literally would have no idea.. But of course you can learn everything on the internet and the internet is complete reality so I'm sure you know alot about me.


You literally can't address a single point I made in that post. I've seen pictures of you you look like you're 14 and you don't go outside. Nobody thinks you're smart, so there's no what if. I don't even know why you posted that, disregarding facts logic and reason for religion does not make you intelligent or seem smart.
Mar 3 2015 9:27PM
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SupremeDeity
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milk_manI do not disregard science, I will tell you that right now.


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Mar 3 2015 9:40PM
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milk_man
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zzzskizzzYou literally can't address a single point I made in that post. I've seen pictures of you you look like you're 14 and you don't go outside. Nobody thinks you're smart, so there's no what if. I don't even know why you posted that, disregarding facts logic and reason for religion does not make you intelligent or seem smart.


Mar 3 2015 9:42PM
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milk_man


over 99% of people don't agree with you in this thread. You can no longer argue the topic at hand so now you're personally attacking me because you have no argument.
Mar 3 2015 10:03PM
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milk_man
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zzzskizzzover 99% of people don't agree with you in this thread.


Mar 3 2015 10:06PM
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KneeDrop
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milk_manI want interesting discussion, but preferably no one getting mad and offended. I won't get offended if you won't.


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Mar 3 2015 10:20PM
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milk_man
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KneeDropliar


I would have been perfectly fine with nobody getting mad or offended haha
Mar 3 2015 10:25PM
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KneeDrop
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but you neither promote interesting discussion, nor abstain from petty arguments/retorts.
Mar 3 2015 10:32PM
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milk_man


case in point other than rody I don't think anyone else believes the earth is 12,000 years old.
Mar 3 2015 11:27PM
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milk_man
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zzzskizzzcase in point other than rody I don't think anyone else believes the earth is 12,000 years old.


Mar 3 2015 11:34PM
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SupremeDeitykek


Go back to 4chan you fuckin loser :)
Mar 3 2015 11:34PM
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milk_man
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zzzskizzzcase in point other than rody I don't think anyone else believes the earth is 12,000 years old.


You've been speaking this whole time as if we are a small, blind minority. But look at the facts

Mar 3 2015 11:35PM
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milk_manYou've been speaking this whole time as if we are a small, blind minority. But look at the facts



This argument has nothing to do with what we're talking about, but I'm going to address that anyway. I'm talking about this thread not America, and yes the south is retarded the Bible Belt are the people who believe that the earth is that young hence the fact that they're trying to not teach science to kids. But America does not make up most of the world, also I'm not even going to fact-checked whatever graph you just posted as I'm sure it's not correct.

now why don't you try addressing some of the points that I made before instead of avoiding them.

I don't care that Christianity has a huge following and people decide to ignore facts that doesn't make you right.
Mar 3 2015 11:52PM
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las.
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milk_manI do not disregard science, I will tell you that right now.


But you are, though.
By believing in the bible and in creationism, you are completely rejecting the following fields of scientific study and all of the brilliant discoveries made within them: anthropology, archaeology, astronomy, astrophysics, biology, botany, chemistry, cosmology, ecology, embryology, entomology, evolution, genetics, geology, herpetology, mathematics, paleontology, plate tectonics, radiometric dating, and zoology.

Either you do believe in the bible and creationism, and are thus disregarding pretty much science in general, or you don't - there is no middle ground. What do you choose? Do not evade the question
Mar 4 2015 2:42AM
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las.
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.frenchyyou turds can shut the fuck up now. You aren't changing anyones minds, be the bigger man and shut the fuuuuuck up


Are you feeling insecure about your beliefs? Just leave the thread if it's upsetting you that much, no ones forcing you to stay
Mar 4 2015 2:44AM
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milk_manOh so humans didn't come from chimpanzees at all? We are finally agreeing on something lol.. no you just don't understand my point


I'm just gonna chime in here and say that the reason people are beginning to attack you personally is because of your inability to comprehend well-explained concepts, or at least your resistance towards trying to learn them.

Instead, you post the same question a multitude of times. So people begin to think you're stupid.

This is what I've gathered from the last couple of pages anyway.
Mar 4 2015 2:59AM
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SupremeDeity
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It's less actually religion that people and debating, and more debating the frustration that milkyboi can't understand or coherently respond to an argument that doesn't involve pseudoscience.
Mar 4 2015 8:01AM
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milk_man
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las.By believing in the bible and in creationism, you are completely rejecting the following fields of scientific study and all of the brilliant discoveries made within them: anthropology, archaeology, astronomy, astrophysics, biology, botany, chemistry, cosmology, ecology, embryology, entomology, evolution, genetics, geology, herpetology, mathematics, paleontology, plate tectonics, radiometric dating, and zoology.


Wrong. You speak as if there is no scientific evidence for a young earth.


Here's a small list of scientists who believe in creation: https://answersingenesis.org/creation-scientists/



If you ignore all these scientists because you believe they are foolish and uneducated, you are even more ignorant than you claim I am.
Mar 4 2015 8:57AM
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milk_manWrong. You speak as if there is no scientific evidence for a young earth.


Here's a small list of scientists who believe in creation: https://answersingenesis.org/creation-scientists/



If you ignore all these scientists because you believe they are foolish and uneducated, you are even more ignorant than you claim I am.


Have you ever thought of why so many people mock you and those scientist? Must be reason the majority of scientist don't agree with you're thinking. You know scientist, the people who have actually spend their lives studying these topics. Unlike you, a young man who is just regurgitating what his parents taught him.
Mar 4 2015 9:04AM
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milk_man
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louie.miragsHave you ever thought of why so many people mock you and those scientist? Must be reason the majority of scientist don't agree with you're thinking. You know scientist, the people who have actually spend their lives studying these topics. Unlike you, a young man who is just regurgitating what his parents taught him.


But surely you won't throw the educated opinions of ALL those people out the window, will you?



Their opinions are just as valid as Bill Nye or Richard Dawkins' opinions..
Mar 4 2015 9:06AM
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louie.mirags
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milk_manBut surely you won't throw the educated opinions of ALL those people out the window, will you?



Their opinions are just as valid as Bill Nye or Richard Dawkins' opinions..


no. no they're not. I don't want to argue with ya about this anymore. I am just saying contemplate for a little why so many people tend not to respect your ideas.
Mar 4 2015 9:14AM
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.frenchy
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las.Are you feeling insecure about your beliefs? Just leave the thread if it's upsetting you that much, no ones forcing you to stay


Insecure? No not at all, I am just finding it hilarious that you atheists are still replying to this thread hahahahaha, wanna get your post count up or something?
Mar 4 2015 10:36AM
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milk_man
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louie.miragsno. no they're not.


Explain. Explain how two people who go to the same college and get the same degree can have different levels of respectability just because of their worldview. Honestly that's extremely ignorant to say
Mar 4 2015 11:12AM
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Milkman, I think I believe a bunch of the same stuff as you.....BUT you are doing an absolutely terrible job here. The Internet is not a good place to be trying to do what you are doing and you are doing more harm to your side than good. Dude, come on, you are making Christians everywhere look stupid. If you really believe the bible go live it and don't worry about convincing others in some ski forum.
Mar 4 2015 11:18AM
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milk_manExplain. Explain how two people who go to the same college and get the same degree can have different levels of respectability just because of their worldview. Honestly that's extremely ignorant to say


Because we have proof that the earth is older, and the only reason to not accept that proof is to ignore the facts making them wrong. https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/759504/Short-clip-that-summarizes-the-entire-Bill-Nye-vs-Ken-Ham-creation-debate- that video right there proves my point that's the people you stand behind. what can change my mind nothing even if I'm presented with evidence that shows otherwise.

meanwhile you have somebody else that is willing to change their believes, when shown evidence and facts. making one of them very open minded and the other not.
Mar 4 2015 12:04PM
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if god not real then who made this website
Mar 4 2015 12:30PM
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miroz
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milk_manExplain. Explain how two people who go to the same college and get the same degree can have different levels of respectability just because of their worldview. Honestly that's extremely ignorant to say


Science is built on peer review. The reason science is published is so that your peers have an opportunity to see, understand, and repeat what you have done. Through consensus, knowledge is built. These scientists you've posted are for the most part unknown. With respect to their creationist ideals, they build consensus in their little cult of creationists, but not within the scientific community; their work is not good enough to validate the claims they are trying to prove.

So no, two scientists with the same alma mater are not equal. It's not because of their beliefs, but because of the quality and impact of their work. There are plenty of religious scientists who keep their views to themselves and study more generally. Those who aim to prove claims of creationism, on the other hand, are largely disregarded because their work is not widely accepted by the scientific community.

The beauty of science is that the logic points you towards a clear answer. Statistics and well-framed thought problems can bring numerous people into agreement about things. The fact that an overwhelming majority of well-established and peer-reviewed scientists (lol not dentists) support a certain idea is a testament to the fact that the logic, observation, and experiment supporting that idea is sound. A similar argument was had not too long ago about climate change.

You can't go into science looking for something. That bias will only lead you astray. If you start an experiment with a fundamental belief that the outcome will be a certain way, you will more likely to falsify results or bend experiments to fit that conclusion. The wonderful thing about modern peer-reviewed science is that these discoveries were made by asking questions without bias for the answer. This is one of the fundamental tenants of ethical scientific procedure.

If you cannot do this, nor appreciate statistics or consensus, then you are disregarding science.

Source: I'm a scientist.
Mar 4 2015 1:15PM
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louie.mirags
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cydwhitThe Internet is not a good place to be trying to do what you are doing and you are doing more harm to your side than good. Dude, come on, you are making Christians everywhere look stupid


You don't think looking stupid has anything to do with believing faith over science? You guys do it to yourselves. Yeah, the earth is 6000 years old and was made in 6 days... Jesus was born from a virgin mother. Those stories you guys try to use as truth is what is making you look stupid, not milkman.
Mar 4 2015 1:31PM
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Lol this thread is hilarious.

Reminds me of this kid I knew in the Army, super devout christian. I asked him how old he thought the earth was. His response was ~6000 years. I then told him how fossil fuels take hundreds of millions of years to form and if the world was only 6000 years old the fuel he puts in his car shouldn't exist. His response to this was that fossil fuels taking that long to form was basically a lie from god testing his faith and that they're really not that old.

So the point of my story is that if someone is that deep in the bullshit they'll continue to justify it with stupid lines like it's a test from god.

Think of the smartest person you know. Now think of the most religious person you know. Probably not the same person.
Mar 4 2015 3:01PM
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.frenchyyou turds can shut the fuck up now. You aren't changing anyones minds, be the bigger man and shut the fuuuuuck up


YOU TURDS!?! I don't appreciate your tone.
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