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AenigmaLots of really bold claims and shaky evidence on that site. I want to agree with the cause, but the face that is presented is pretty tough to love.
danncphedranVery biast story
Bart.ManOh, for sure it's biased. The slant and loaded language is very apparent in their writing. I almost put that disclaimer in the OP. Still interesting to look into, though. Just take this info with a grain of salt.
RockShoxToraThis has been an age old debate that everyone in AZ is pretty sick of.
The San Francisco peaks are supposedly "sacred" to the Native Americans. The only qualm they have had against using reclaimed water are the contaminants being spread on their "sacred land." Here are some things you should know:
- Snowbowl is using A+ reclaimed water -- Flagstaff goes the extra mile to fully purge this water of any harmful contaminants making it safe to drink. This is the water being used to blow snow.
- The issue has gone to court numerous times throughout the years. The Federal Court has approved Snowbowl's practices without fault for oppression on Religious practices.
- Snow blowing is happening on less than 1% of the mountain.
- Sunrise, another popular place to ski in Arizona, is on sacred land and also blows their own snow. Only difference between Snowbowl and Sunrise, is Sunrise is owned by Natives... I suspect it has something to do with the tribe losing a % of their business now that they don't own the only resort that blows snow in AZ.
I don't see any fault with it.
In my personal opinion, some the tribe has handled this issue rather poorly: i.e. chaining themselves to work equipment, protesting every weekend on the corner of the entrance to Snowbowl, slandering the private owners of Snowbowl -- And this was all after they lost in court.
While that is their right to do that, I think the majority of us are pretty done with their isht.
Manifest destiny. Sorry Sunrise isn't the only resort that can blow snow now.
SkiBum.You have no idea what you are talking about, just FYI.
JustGoWithItFirst off, Unless you have a degree in Microbiology or Organic Chemistry or have some hard evidence on the effects a similar situation had on the environment, your opinion has little credibility.
JustGoWithItFirst off, Unless you have a degree in Microbiology or Organic Chemistry or have some hard evidence on the effects a similar situation had on the environment, your opinion has little credibility. As for the deforestation I am rather mixed. They do not privately own the land but rather hold a special use permit issued by the US Forest Service. I appreciate the beauty of old growths, but I'm not some forest nut that is against cutting trees down. There are advantages to slashing woods. And opposed to popular belief, it is in many cases beneficial for the wildlife in the area.
RockShoxToraThat's terribly inaccurate friend!
It doesn't take a degree in microbiology to formulate an educated opinion.
This debate is literally years old. I, along with plenty of other locals who have called Snowbowl their home mountain, have done plenty of research on the issue. We've had years of this debate forced on the AZ ski culture.
I'm a firm believer that politics and skiing shouldn't mix. And unfortunately, in the small town of Flagstaff, AZ, it does.
LynxNationManifest destiny. Sorry Sunrise isn't the only resort that can blow snow now.
I can't believe you just tried to use manifest destiny as a reason to take something. You realize how completely messed up that is, or are you unaware of what manifest destiny was? Do some more research on why the tribes are trying to prevent the disturbance of their sacred lands. This isn't the 17th century anymore, Manifest Destiny is not a valid excuse to take something from anyone.
RockShoxToraDoes no one joke in the kitchen now-a-days?
Bart.ManNa, I actually agree with her post. I almost made a comment on it, but decided not to kick open that can of worms. I guess he was probably joking, but it's pretty ignorant/distasteful.
But that's not what we're here to discuss!