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How to handle a collision with a kid on the hill/trails

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californiagrown
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http://www.pinkbike.com/news/crash-kid-vs-downhill-mountain-biker-video-2014.html
Aug 20 2014 1:14AM
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Mrworm10
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wepresidentnowbiker 100% at fault. pedestrians have right of way, always.

it's the same thing with skiing: people in front of you always have right of way, it doesn't matter if gapers were standing in the landing, they were in front.


bring the downvotes, this is the way the real world works.


Are you just asking for hate?

In many cases, pedestrians do have the right of way but that kid was standing in the middle of a bike track and the rider tried his hardest to slow and avoid him. It was in no way the bikers fault.
Aug 21 2014 11:18AM
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freestyler540
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That was a nasty one to OP vid. That kid took it like a champ. The mom was super understanding too. That is best case scenario.
Now second vid, is worst case scenario. Some moms are more vicious than others.

With my luck, most collision append peacefully. Show your remorse, help the kid if you are ok. You are the older one, you should bear responsibility to the youth.

However, no one was at fault. The kid fell and tried to get out of the way. He was just too slow and ran in the wrong direction. The biker was in a well designed course that requires speed to correctly hit the landings. Some landings are blind, you will never know if someone is behind it. So freak accident that everyone takes when they are in a bike course.
Aug 21 2014 12:21PM
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cyberginger
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Story Time

About two weeks ago, I was riding a new pumptrack near calgary. Track was fun, pretty easy to go fast through. At about noon, a group of kids on their bikes arrived with their Philippino nanny. Her English was bad, and didn't really pay attention to what her kids were doing. Anyways, I was doing some pretty quick laps around the track, and cleared a double that went into a corner. And then, BAM. One of those kids was riding the pumptrack the wrong way, and I hit him head on.

Nanny obviously didn't see what happened, and was reasonably angry at me. Kid scraped his arm, nothing major, but was crying and screaming. Regardless, I get the kids bike off the track, and make sure hes okay. He goes and sits down, and I go back to riding the track. A few minutes later, said nanny comes up to me, and hands me a phone, and demands "YOU MUST EXPLAIN YOU TO MOTHER". Shit. I get the phone, and I talked to the nicest lady I have ever met. Explained to her what happened, said the kid was just shaken up, and she told me "Thank you, don't give it another thought, have a nice day!"

tl;dr
Not all moms are douchebags.
Aug 21 2014 4:53PM
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Gr0mo
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I'm sorry but in a lot of these cases it is the kids fault.

When i was growing up and fucking around in the skate park or shredding laps on the hill i KNEW to be extremely mindful of people that were bigger and better then me. Not only because they could accidentally pummel me but even more so OUT OF RESPECT.


kids these days just don't give a fuck. They think the whole mountain/track/park is there personal playground and it is your responsibility to avoid them
Aug 21 2014 5:27PM
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howlongcanausern
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http://bike.whistlerblackcomb.com/~/media/a9865ce4de5540288ed07fa1792dd827.pdf

^^^^READ RULE NUMERO UNO MOUNTAIN BIKERS RESPONSIBILITY CODE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


"Stay in control at all times. It is your responsibility to avoid other 
persons and objects around you."

it's just so weird how this statement is the #1 rule all over the recreation industry. i thought NS users knew this? are you guys that misinformed?

but you know guys, im sure the lawyers at intrawest have their heads up their asses, i should listen to the fine users of NS instead.
Aug 21 2014 5:50PM
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JGWI
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Double_Rainbowi like this one the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgGgmOy2av4


She might tip over dead from a heart attack at any time.
Aug 21 2014 5:56PM
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RubberSoul
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wepresidentnowhttp://bike.whistlerblackcomb.com/~/media/a9865ce4de5540288ed07fa1792dd827.pdf

^^^^READ RULE NUMERO UNO MOUNTAIN BIKERS RESPONSIBILITY CODE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


"Stay in control at all times. It is your responsibility to avoid other 
persons and objects around you."

it's just so weird how this statement is the #1 rule all over the recreation industry. i thought NS users knew this? are you guys that misinformed?

but you know guys, im sure the lawyers at intrawest have their heads up their asses, i should listen to the fine users of NS instead.


dude are you kidding?

rule 1 does NOT prove what you said. and other rules on the same page address the fact that part of the code is that you don't hike uphill, you don't walk or stop where you can be hidden and/or in the way, when entering a trail you have to yield to uphill riders, and youre not supposed to be on the trail bike-less anyway

seriously, what is your problem? are you stupid or just insanely stubborn? just admit youre wrong, jeez
Aug 21 2014 6:04PM
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aggro_skidad
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The one time someone absolutely took out my kid on the slopes, that someone was me. And I couldn't very well punch myself out or report myself to ski patrol.
Aug 21 2014 6:54PM
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howlongcanausern
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RubberSouldude are you kidding?

rule 1 does NOT prove what you said. and other rules on the same page address the fact that part of the code is that you don't hike uphill, you don't walk or stop where you can be hidden and/or in the way, when entering a trail you have to yield to uphill riders, and youre not supposed to be on the trail bike-less anyway

seriously, what is your problem? are you stupid or just insanely stubborn? just admit youre wrong, jeez


i simply follow the responsibility code.

i've been working in the finance sector of the ski industry for ~5 years and have seen this shit again and again through legal fees which we budget for, to labor costs from court cases.

when it comes to the law (and ultimately who's liable), it's very VERY cut and dry. you hit somebody, it's your fault.

it really is that simple.
Aug 21 2014 7:02PM
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RubberSoul
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wepresidentnowi simply follow the responsibility code.

i've been working in the finance sector of the ski industry for ~5 years and have seen this shit again and again through legal fees which we budget for, to labor costs from court cases.

when it comes to the law (and ultimately who's liable), it's very VERY cut and dry. you hit somebody, it's your fault.

it really is that simple.



why wouldn't you say that in the first place rather than your bullshit post above?

and if you work in a position that makes you so knowledgeable about this, why don't you post some examples? you're telling me that 100% of the time there is a collision on bike trails, the person who hit the other person is found 100% at fault... citation needed

i'd be very surprised if that was what the findings were, especially 100% of the time, due to the findings of the court superceding the posted rules of the trails (and why would you cite those earlier if youre arguing that they don't hold up in court?), when that is NOT the case with cars and bikes and people in "normal" life

i'll gladly shut my mouth if you can back up what youre saying but youre asking us to go on your word and your posts have been extremely inconsistent..so you'll forgive me if i don't take what you say at face value
Aug 21 2014 7:25PM
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mulz
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wepresidentnowi simply follow the responsibility code.

i've been working in the finance sector of the ski industry for ~5 years and have seen this shit again and again through legal fees which we budget for, to labor costs from court cases.

when it comes to the law (and ultimately who's liable), it's very VERY cut and dry. you hit somebody, it's your fault.

it really is that simple.


UGH as a DH mtb'er there is a significant amount of ignorance/misinformation here from people who only ski. The trail in the video was a designated DH mountain bike trail(the OP on pinkbike mentions this in the comments). This means there are a multitude of signs stating absolutely NO uphill traffic. In fact I'd be willing to bet there's signs at the trail head that tell you not to stop at all while on the trail unless its an emergency. This absolutely makes it the kids/parents fault. If it was a multiuse trail(read bikes, peds, and horses) it would definitely be the bikers fault, as the same rules roughly apply the as they do on a ski slope(always yeild to the downhill rider).
Aug 21 2014 9:00PM
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rozboon
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Devil's advocate here:
Whether you're driving a car, riding a bike or skiing you should be able to stop within the visible distance in front of you.

If something inserts itself within that visible distance (i.e. a car pulling out of a driveway or someone stepping out at a crossing) then it's not your fault if you hit them.

If you come over something blind (like the feature that DH'er came over, or a jump/drop on skis) and hit someone in the landing, it's technically your fault. Even if it's a family of gapers having a picnic on the knuckle, you're still in the wrong - if you're doing it by the book then you should have a spotter on blind features.

Just like with driving a car, it's your fault 99% of the time if you run into the back of the person in front of you.

On the flip side, obviously that kid should not have been there, and it's a reasonable assumption of the rider to guess that there won't be a small child hanging out on the track.
Aug 21 2014 10:13PM
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mulz
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rozboonDevil's advocate here:
Whether you're driving a car, riding a bike or skiing you should be able to stop within the visible distance in front of you.

If something inserts itself within that visible distance (i.e. a car pulling out of a driveway or someone stepping out at a crossing) then it's not your fault if you hit them.

If you come over something blind (like the feature that DH'er came over, or a jump/drop on skis) and hit someone in the landing, it's technically your fault. Even if it's a family of gapers having a picnic on the knuckle, you're still in the wrong - if you're doing it by the book then you should have a spotter on blind features.

Just like with driving a car, it's your fault 99% of the time if you run into the back of the person in front of you.

On the flip side, obviously that kid should not have been there, and it's a reasonable assumption of the rider to guess that there won't be a small child hanging out on the track.


Have you ever ridden a bike park for? Clearly not, I understand where you are coming from with that mentality. But trust me go Ride something like Rainmaker at Trestle or A-Line at Whistler and tell me you scope every jump before you hit it, GTFO!
Aug 21 2014 10:51PM
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rozboon
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pbfan08Have you ever ridden a bike park for? Clearly not, I understand where you are coming from with that mentality. But trust me go Ride something like Rainmaker at Trestle or A-Line at Whistler and tell me you scope every jump before you hit it, GTFO!


I've ridden my fair share of DH (actually I live about 1km from a relatively large bike park) and I know that as soon as there's a gap you can't exactly stop and scope it out... nor would you want to.

Like I said at the start of the post, devil's advocate.

Particularly where singletrack is concerned (and park on skis) you don't have a lot of options for avoiding someone and the onus should be on people not to be in the way, and likewise they should assume the risk if they are in the way. Yet in the park if you crash you have a sorta moral obligation to clear your broken ass off the landing ASAP - but if someone hit the jump and landed on you it would technically be their fault.

On a semi-related note, just watched a clip of someone riding A-Line, man that looks fun.
Aug 21 2014 11:30PM
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The_Joker
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pbfan08Have you ever ridden a bike park for? Clearly not, I understand where you are coming from with that mentality. But trust me go Ride something like Rainmaker at Trestle or A-Line at Whistler and tell me you scope every jump before you hit it, GTFO!




You are smart.
Aug 22 2014 12:30AM
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The_Joker
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wepresidentnowhttp://bike.whistlerblackcomb.com/~/media/a9865ce4de5540288ed07fa1792dd827.pdf

^^^^READ RULE NUMERO UNO MOUNTAIN BIKERS RESPONSIBILITY CODE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


"Stay in control at all times. It is your responsibility to avoid other 
persons and objects around you."

it's just so weird how this statement is the #1 rule all over the recreation industry. i thought NS users knew this? are you guys that misinformed?

but you know guys, im sure the lawyers at intrawest have their heads up their asses, i should listen to the fine users of NS instead.



you sir are a fucking idiot are you so tunnel vision that you can't even see the second rule

(copied from the website you provided)

MOUNTAIN BIKERS RESPONSIBILITY CODE
1. Stay in control at all times. It is your responsibility to avoid other persons and objects around you.
2. Do not stop where you obstruct a trail or are not visible from above.

You have to be a special breed of stupid and be so unaware of whats in front of you to not see this.

The reason they put that rule first is to make it clear that they don't want some reckless ass hole to go and try and pass and hit some tourist, not because they want to flip shit at some guy who couldn't stop and hit a kid.
Aug 22 2014 12:42AM
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The_Joker
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Not to mention the third rule

3. When entering a trail or starting downhill, you must look uphill and yield to other riders.

and the ninth rule

9. Hiking in the Bike Park is not permitted.
Aug 22 2014 12:47AM
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theabortionator
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Honestly looked like it might not have been a skatepark. Not sure though. Lots of places have ledges that aren't parks.

That said crazy mom throwing punches. What is this shit
Aug 22 2014 4:04AM
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perryhunter
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Good thing the mother was just relax and calmed down during the situation or else the biker will surely borrow head on a pig :D
Aug 22 2014 5:05AM
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westcoastmissi
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Double_Rainbowi like this one the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgGgmOy2av4


Goddamn, STFU.
Aug 22 2014 8:20AM
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Brule.
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wepresidentnowhttp://bike.whistlerblackcomb.com/~/media/a9865ce4de5540288ed07fa1792dd827.pdf

^^^^READ RULE NUMERO UNO MOUNTAIN BIKERS RESPONSIBILITY CODE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


"Stay in control at all times. It is your responsibility to avoid other 
persons and objects around you."

it's just so weird how this statement is the #1 rule all over the recreation industry. i thought NS users knew this? are you guys that misinformed?

but you know guys, im sure the lawyers at intrawest have their heads up their asses, i should listen to the fine users of NS instead.


http://youtu.be/wQYob6dpTTk
Aug 22 2014 5:02PM
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gnarles.
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good thing the kid had a helmet looked like he got his head ringed but he also took it pretty decently, kid got hit hard. mom took it well to unlike that bitch in the skate vid
Aug 22 2014 7:12PM
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pow_pow~
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it was handled so well because they are aussies and we are chill as fuck and not retarded.
Aug 22 2014 7:22PM
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Brule.
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Since this thread has become about people's reactions to doing "illegal and dangerous stuff on private property," I feel like I should contribute.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/595169/DON--39-T-DO-IT-IN-THE-PARK--REAL-KICK-OUT-
Aug 23 2014 9:41AM
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joesdapoes
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The biker indeed has the responsibility of not booping into anyone, but there was no way he could have dodged that child. Ikw as the childs fault
Aug 23 2014 10:37AM
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