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louie.miragsthe thing that bothers me the most is the U.S. has killed thousands of people as well. Not just bad guys either. So, many civilians...
I can't prove it but it seems as if they are using 9/11 as an excuse to be there. They say if we're not there then round 2 is coming. But, these terrorist say they just want us to stop. We're over there making sure we have access to oil. We kill thousands of people in our fight for resources. And then wonder why these people hate us. The see us as terrorist as much as we see them as terrorist.
Exactly. But people seem to forget that when thousands are being massacred and are the target of a conflict. As I said, it is a lose/lose situation. There is no simple answer.
.MASSHOLE.Exactly. But people seem to forget that when thousands are being massacred and are the target of a conflict. As I said, it is a lose/lose situation. There is no simple answer.
louie.miragsThey want something over there.. something needs to give
There is nothing over in the Middle East we need anymore. What is over there are national security threats that come in the form of Iran, Pakistan, and groups like ISIS.
.MASSHOLE.There is nothing over in the Middle East we need anymore. What is over there are national security threats that come in the form of Iran, Pakistan, and groups like ISIS.
I just don't believe everything they're telling us
louie.miragsI just don't believe everything they're telling us
About what? What do you think we are missing?
We sure as hell are not there for oil, we wouldn't be going back in to take over Iraq again, and we aren't going to touch Syria with a 10 foot pole.
Only reason to even be slightly interested besides being a "good samaritan" is national security interests (ie prevent more Al Qaeda-like group hotbeds) because we do not need to get openly involved in actions against Iran or Pakistan yet.
.MASSHOLE.About what? What do you think we are missing?
We sure as hell are not there for oil, we wouldn't be going back in to take over Iraq again, and we aren't going to touch Syria with a 10 foot pole.
Only reason to even be slightly interested besides being a "good samaritan" is national security interests (ie prevent more Al Qaeda-like group hotbeds) because we do not need to get openly involved in actions against Iran or Pakistan yet.
The part that I hate the most is we justify killing thousands of people to protect our country. Women, children, innocent men... It is crazy. It is 2014 and we can grow body parts from stem cells, but we can't settle shit without killing! It seems insane to me. Not to mention our president ran on the principle he was going to stop the wars... No surprise a president lied but the fact we're in the longest running war (or military action since we haven't claimed war) our country has even seen boggles my mind.
louie.miragsThe part that I hate the most is we justify killing thousands of people to protect our country. Women, children, innocent men... It is crazy. It is 2014 and we can grow body parts from stem cells, but we can't settle shit without killing! It seems insane to me. Not to mention our president ran on the principle he was going to stop the wars... No surprise a president lied but the fact we're in the longest running war (or military action since we haven't claimed war) our country has even seen boggles my mind.
louie.miragsThe part that I hate the most is we justify killing thousands of people to protect our country. Women, children, innocent men... It is crazy. It is 2014 and we can grow body parts from stem cells, but we can't settle shit without killing! It seems insane to me. Not to mention our president ran on the principle he was going to stop the wars... No surprise a president lied but the fact we're in the longest running war (or military action since we haven't claimed war) our country has even seen boggles my mind.
Well he's trying desperately to not start another one and has been consistently pulling troops out of there. You can't just stop wars cold turkey, they take time.
And all this bombing is doing is breeding another generation of people growing up hating America. It is a vicious cycle perpetuated by the "we got to get them before they get us" ideal...
Granite_StateI think Switzerland would disagree with you.
Another great point. Ideally in my eyes America would pull of the Middle East and like I said earlier worry about protecting our borders and our invest in our country.
Granite_StateI think Switzerland would disagree with you.
But they aren't pacifists by definition. They believe in armed-neutrality which is entirely different.
More Swiss military foreign policy/military tidbits:
The Swiss require every male citizen enlists in the army.
They currently have a military presence in Kosovo and the Korean DMZ zone. While they are unarmed, they are peace-keeping forces
We need to pull everyone out. I don't give two fucks if an Iraqi family is massacred by ISIS, not our fuckin problem. Maybe Arabs will start to realize that they have no one to blame but themselves for their shitty lifestyle, and they will actually try to set up democracy and limit tyranny. We can survive with less oil, and it'll probably destabilize part of ISIS income seeing as tyranny runs rampant over there and they probably see a part of the oil exportation profit.
I've had enough of the Middle East and their fucked up religion, like treating women as being lower than men, and laws, like Sharia law and jihad. If they continue to fuck with the West, we may just have to put them down.
.MASSHOLE.But they aren't pacifists by definition. They believe in armed-neutrality which is entirely different.
More Swiss military foreign policy/military tidbits:
The Swiss require every male citizen enlists in the army.
They currently have a military presence in Kosovo and the Korean DMZ zone. While they are unarmed, they are peace-keeping forces
Japan is another country that is currently pacifist by nature (the recently released the ban on military intervention but between WWII and now they have been quite pacifist)
And aren't neutrality is about as close to pacifism as you can get.
Granite_StateJapan is another country that is currently pacifist by nature (the recently released the ban on military intervention but between WWII and now they have been quite pacifist)
And aren't neutrality is about as close to pacifism as you can get.
But they are not literal pacifists. Pacifists are defined as those who believe war and violence are unjustifiable.
Do you know why they ended the ban of pacifism? Because of this:
louie.miragsYou understand they are killing Americans because we've murdered thousands of their citizens right? Everybody seems to miss that point. I am not on their side we just need to get the fuck out of THEIR country - not exterminate them. Let's utilize our resources and technology.
I don't know man, extermination seems a lot easier and more effective in the long run
KillaSeasonI don't know man, extermination seems a lot easier and more effective in the long run
You talk and write as if debating the rules and reasoning of the war topic as if a cribbage game. You mention death and slaughter (potential or actual) as if a review of a new TV series.
Safety through conditioned illusion of the reality of a situation will not cut it any more. Ever dream you could fly, or walk through walls, or walk down the highway into oncoming traffic where the cars would not hit you?
Well, dreaming is safe. Illusion is safe. Hard core "reality" can have lethal and unintended consequences for those that allow themselves to be entertained.
Arrogance for a show of deadly force at the cost of much blood and lives cannot be allowed or tolerated. This is not entertainment folks, it is the choice between life and death.
CONAIR_BUSCEMIYou talk and write as if debating the rules and reasoning of the war topic as if a cribbage game. You mention death and slaughter (potential or actual) as if a review of a new TV series.
Safety through conditioned illusion of the reality of a situation will not cut it any more. Ever dream you could fly, or walk through walls, or walk down the highway into oncoming traffic where the cars would not hit you?
Well, dreaming is safe. Illusion is safe. Hard core "reality" can have lethal and unintended consequences for those that allow themselves to be entertained.
Arrogance for a show of deadly force at the cost of much blood and lives cannot be allowed or tolerated. This is not entertainment folks, it is the choice between life and death.
And if I had to choose between exterminating a race of people that either a. murder others senselessly or b. put up with it, or allowing it to endanger American lives, I would put glass that whole area and start over. Halo style
.MASSHOLE.But they aren't pacifists by definition. They believe in armed-neutrality which is entirely different.
More Swiss military foreign policy/military tidbits:
The Swiss require every male citizen enlists in the army.
They currently have a military presence in Kosovo and the Korean DMZ zone. While they are unarmed, they are peace-keeping forces
Not to mention, every citizen gets to keep there military issue weapon after their service is over.
kinda points a damper on the more guns = more killings theory.
As to the thread topic. There is no place for happenings of this kind. ISIS is a piece of shit organization, but so is the US when it comes to affairs in the area. The whole regions unrest is a combined result of both the US not giving a shit about others cultures, and the culture of violent ignorance.
loganschnurAnd if I had to choose between exterminating a race of people that either a. murder others senselessly or b. put up with it, or allowing it to endanger American lives, I would put glass that whole area and start over. Halo style
If you, your family, and all of your friends were sitting at ground zero, do the circumstances created by others in that location warrant a lethal strike on ground zero?
If the answer is yes TO THAT QUESTION, than bombs away. If no, then stand down and resolve, or assist to resolving if you choose. Resolving the circumstances that moved the question to be asked in the first place.
War is the bully coward’s way of confrontation without the use of effective true intelligence and brilliance applied for mutually beneficial coexistence.
Fucking USA, man. They promise no boots on the ground, then they do like one round of airstrikes and spends the next three weeks pussyfooting around dirtland. Send in a few SEAL teams and everyone one of those fuckers will be gone in a month.
CONAIR_BUSCEMIIf you, your family, and all of your friends were sitting at ground zero, do the circumstances created by others in that location warrant a lethal strike on ground zero?
If the answer is yes TO THAT QUESTION, than bombs away. If no, then stand down and resolve, or assist to resolving if you choose. Resolving the circumstances that moved the question to be asked in the first place.
War is the bully coward’s way of confrontation without the use of effective true intelligence and brilliance applied for mutually beneficial coexistence.
Peaceful resolution has been attempted, and it has failed. The definition of insanity according to Albert Einstein is to "try the same thing over and over again and expect different results". We have tried peaceful resolutions, and we have tried military intervention. Your preferred method has been attempted, as has mine, and they both failed, so maybe both options have lead us to a third, if barbaric, method.
loganschnurPeaceful resolution has been attempted, and it has failed. The definition of insanity according to Albert Einstein is to "try the same thing over and over again and expect different results". We have tried peaceful resolutions, and we have tried military intervention. Your preferred method has been attempted, as has mine, and they both failed, so maybe both options have lead us to a third, if barbaric, method.
You have to remove ignorance, but that's damn near impossible. Blowing people up only creates more anger and allows leaders to be like "look how bad they are, now if we kill them our god will embrace you even tighter." or some shit like that.
It's really a hard thing to do, and have no theory on how to make it work.
AT-ATYou have to remove ignorance, but that's damn near impossible. Blowing people up only creates more anger and allows leaders to be like "look how bad they are, now if we kill them our god will embrace you even tighter." or some shit like that.
It's really a hard thing to do, and have no theory on how to make it work.
But the better question that you have to ask yourself is, "How do you think this problem will actually be handled by the authorities." We can all have our own ideas and wishes on how it should be dealt with, but when it comes down to it, our opinions don't really matter in terms of how WH will choose to deal with it. In the end, this will end up endangering more US lives no matter which way we choose to handle it. We put boots down in Iraq, they will suffer casualties. If we try to "sanction" ISIS, we will continue to face the threat of terrorism and senseless death to innocents. In a perfect world, there would be a peaceful resolution, but with extremists, it will never be peaceful.
loganschnurBut the better question that you have to ask yourself is, "How do you think this problem will actually be handled by the authorities." We can all have our own ideas and wishes on how it should be dealt with, but when it comes down to it, our opinions don't really matter in terms of how WH will choose to deal with it. In the end, this will end up endangering more US lives no matter which way we choose to handle it. We put boots down in Iraq, they will suffer casualties. If we try to "sanction" ISIS, we will continue to face the threat of terrorism and senseless death to innocents. In a perfect world, there would be a peaceful resolution, but with extremists, it will never be peaceful.
Well said. It will most definitely put more US lives in danger.
However, we also put US lives in danger when we decided to remove Hussein from power. The war in Afghanistan i can see being justified, but the one in Iraq I cannot. Hussein was a horrendous ruler, but his strong central government kept extremists at bay.
Half of me says the US caused this and my other half says it is a result of people who have been brainwashed into this extremist mindset. It is probably a combination of both.
The long term solution would be education, as an educated person doesn't usually decide its cool to blow up shit in the name of a god, but you cannot force the yearning of knowledge upon people. The short term solution should be to just blow them up, while being extremely careful to not harm infrastructure or innocent citizens.
What really will happen is that the US will start bombing the shit out of everything willy nilly, and piss more people off because their marketplace just got turned to ashes. Thus continuing the cycle of hate and violence.
Just so you guys know these people hated us long before these wars. It's easy to sit in your chair and claim the USA is bad and such but when it comes down to it the world isn't a pretty place. Game of Thrones has a lot to say on this topic that rings true.
ScaredwhiteboyThey have no allies, no military training, and no weapons. They are not a threat at all.
I say let them have their way with Iraq. We've already tried to setup a democracy there once and the Iraqis didn't care enough to defend it. Vietnam and Afghanistan have proved that trying to rid a foreign land of guerilla fighters is an unwinnable war.
What you've said is definitely true: ISIS has very little conventional military power. They could never wage war against a Western power. That being said, they aren't a "traditional" terrorist group, but instead consist of educated individuals from around the world - including countries which are securely Democratic. I wouldn't be surprised if they begin staging international terrorist attacks, which should be a major concern. ISIS is well funded (they don't have advanced weapons not because of a lack of money, but instead because no one will sell weapons to them), and, likely, has willing members in many Western countries.
Despite this, as long as the US increases air strikes and targeted attacks on ISIS leadership, they will become a non-threat. This isn't a conflict where America should be involved on the ground which would place US lives at risk, but ISIS poses no threat to the American air or naval forces, allowing for widespread offensives.
Also, I highly doubt ISIS expected the US to back down after James Foley's death, one piece of American foreign policy that is set in stone is that we don't negotiate with terrorists under any circumstances. Instead it was a successful - albeit reprehensible - ploy for attention.
The U.S. has killed and destroyed the lives of hundreds of thousands of people over the past 60 years in order to control the economies of multiple countries on every continent. ISIS takes back a single country that the U.S. invaded and screwed up royally under false pretenses. As soon as Christians are being beheaded, everyone is sickened and outraged and can't understand why they hate Christians/westerners so much.
This is the world we live in, you morons. The only difference between the U.S. and ISIS is that the U.S. is much better at either hiding or displacing blame about their horrendous actions. ISIS doing this was predicted and was one of the opposition's main points to not invade Iraq under false pretenses.
Plain and simple, the U.S. has gotten away with too much shit and has brought this upon themselves- which is why you see so many westerners joining the fight and many Iraqi soldiers not attempting to fight back. It sucks what's happening but is a strong lesson to why the U.S. needs to stop fucking around with other sovereign countries. I guarantee the weapons used to capture the journalist were U.S. issued as well.
JenniferGarnerThe U.S. has killed and destroyed the lives of hundreds of thousands of people over the past 60 years in order to control the economies of multiple countries on every continent. ISIS takes back a single country that the U.S. invaded and screwed up royally under false pretenses. As soon as Christians are being beheaded, everyone is sickened and outraged and can't understand why they hate Christians/westerners so much.
This is the world we live in, you morons. The only difference between the U.S. and ISIS is that the U.S. is much better at either hiding or displacing blame about their horrendous actions. ISIS doing this was predicted and was one of the opposition's main points to not invade Iraq under false pretenses.
Plain and simple, the U.S. has gotten away with too much shit and has brought this upon themselves- which is why you see so many westerners joining the fight and many Iraqi soldiers not attempting to fight back. It sucks what's happening but is a strong lesson to why the U.S. needs to stop fucking around with other sovereign countries. I guarantee the weapons used to capture the journalist were U.S. issued as well.
I think you need to check the facts. ISIS was a big deal long before Christians were being beheaded. ISIS was a concern back when they were behind numerous terrorist bombings in Iraq during the mid 2000s. However, they rose to international prominence in 2013 when they became involved in the Syrian war. But, in Syria, they were fighting armed factions, not murdering defenseless Iraqis and other nationalities.
Comparing the US and ISIS methods is like comparing apples and oranges. The intent of the US military forces is not to go and kill civilians indiscriminately despite what has happened in unfortunate events. The US military is not forcing the Christian religion upon local civilians. It is no longer the 1800s.
.MASSHOLE.I think you need to check the facts. ISIS was a big deal long before Christians were being beheaded. ISIS was a concern back when they were behind numerous terrorist bombings in Iraq during the mid 2000s. However, they rose to international prominence in 2013 when they became involved in the Syrian war. But, in Syria, they were fighting armed factions, not murdering defenseless Iraqis and other nationalities.
Comparing the US and ISIS methods is like comparing apples and oranges. The intent of the US military forces is not to go and kill civilians indiscriminately despite what has happened in unfortunate events. The US military is not forcing the Christian religion upon local civilians. It is no longer the 1800s.
I never wrote they were only a big deal now, you illiterate Budweiser plate. Re-read that scribble.
If you think US military forces don't kill innocent citizens indiscriminately, then you need to re-up on your history. It's well documented if you look beyond the past 2 years and outside of CNN and Fox. The U.S. past leaderships have committed so many acts of horror... but in light of that, the U.S. is technically the most benevolent empire in the history of the world. That's not so bad but stop being so fucking ignorant.
-benedettoOne American dead and some of you want to destroy the Middle East? What percentage of the Middle East is ISIS? My guess is not a lot. Think about what you're saying. Middle easterners are human too..
Yeah, you're fucking totally right.... Only 1 American died in the Middle East.
I'm not saying nuke the middle east or anything.... But did you really just say "One American dead" ..... They've killed more than 1 person.
JenniferGarnerI never wrote they were only a big deal now, you illiterate Budweiser plate. Re-read that scribble.
If you think US military forces don't kill innocent citizens indiscriminately, then you need to re-up on your history. It's well documented if you look beyond the past 2 years and outside of CNN and Fox. The U.S. past leaderships have committed so many acts of horror... but in light of that, the U.S. is technically the most benevolent empire in the history of the world. That's not so bad but stop being so fucking ignorant.
You indicated no one seemed to care until now which is wrong. Perhaps my wording was wrong.
Secondly, I said their INTENT is not to kill citizens indiscriminately. Big difference. ISIS intent is to go into countries and kill anyone who does not think, act, or dress like them. I know the US troops fuck up and kill citizens indiscriminately and hate it.
.MASSHOLE.You indicated no one seemed to care until now which is wrong. Perhaps my wording was wrong.
Secondly, I said their INTENT is not to kill citizens indiscriminately. Big difference. ISIS intent is to go into countries and kill anyone who does not think, act, or dress like them. I know the US troops fuck up and kill citizens indiscriminately and hate it.
One example of many... get learned, you ignorant sheep.
JenniferGarnerI never wrote they were only a big deal now, you illiterate Budweiser plate. Re-read that scribble.
If you think US military forces don't kill innocent citizens indiscriminately, then you need to re-up on your history. It's well documented if you look beyond the past 2 years and outside of CNN and Fox. The U.S. past leaderships have committed so many acts of horror... but in light of that, the U.S. is technically the most benevolent empire in the history of the world. That's not so bad but stop being so fucking ignorant.
As has basically every other government ever (excluding maybe Switzerland). But when combating guerrilla forces like the last couple of U.S. engagements have been, you sometimes have to stoop to their level to show them you mean business. Not saying its right, but to protect a country from psychotic extremists that can't be reasoned with, sometimes bad things have to happen to good people.
JenniferGarnerI never wrote they were only a big deal now, you illiterate Budweiser plate. Re-read that scribble.
If you think US military forces don't kill innocent citizens indiscriminately, then you need to re-up on your history. It's well documented if you look beyond the past 2 years and outside of CNN and Fox. The U.S. past leaderships have committed so many acts of horror... but in light of that, the U.S. is technically the most benevolent empire in the history of the world. That's not so bad but stop being so fucking ignorant.
"illiterate Budweiser plate" what the fuck lol
Dude, honestly shut the fuck up. Nobody in the US military goes out and shoots random civilians for no reason, and if they do, they face the proper consequences. It pretty much sounds like you're just trash talking the US Military.... Not cool.
.frenchy"illiterate Budweiser plate" what the fuck lol
Dude, honestly shut the fuck up. Nobody in the US military goes out and shoots random civilians for no reason, and if they do, they face the proper consequences. It pretty much sounds like you're just trash talking the US Military.... Not cool.
He's probably French and is just sad that they lose basically every engagement they participate in
Find me somewhere in writing or in some form of rhetoric where the US military has stated their intent is to kill citizens indiscriminately.
Hell, even in Vietnam, despite the My Lai massacre, the US Army had the slogan of "Win their hearts and minds". They never openly stated civilians were targets alongside militants.
Well... I'm no expert on the situation but they seem to be pissed about the U.S bombing attacks.
I'm not un-American but let's be honest here. We are bombing the shit out of Syria and killing numerous amounts of civilians. If some asshole from another country killed your mother or child on a bombing run wouldn't you be pissed? The execution of an American journalist is also the complete wrong way of doing things. The poor guy was filming and reporting about the massive amounts of destruction in the middle east and had no right to be killed.
I can see why they're mad and you have to remember, America was in the same situation a couple of hundred years ago...
This is still a terrible act, but I do agree with pulling out of the middle east as a whole. We've got our man and have no right to be there.
You have to understand that ISIS controls a lot of Syria, and getting involved with them would lead to another war.
MidsWell... I'm no expert on the situation but they seem to be pissed about the U.S bombing attacks.
I'm not un-American but let's be honest here. We are bombing the shit out of Syria and killing numerous amounts of civilians. If some asshole from another country killed your mother or child on a bombing run wouldn't you be pissed? The execution of an American journalist is also the complete wrong way of doing things. The poor guy was filming and reporting about the massive amounts of destruction in the middle east and had no right to be killed.
I can see why they're mad and you have to remember, America was in the same situation a couple of hundred years ago...
This is still a terrible act, but I do agree with pulling out of the middle east as a whole. We've got our man and have no right to be there.
You have to understand that ISIS controls a lot of Syria, and getting involved with them would lead to another war.
Yes, we were, and we did kill innocent Brits. But I don't think we killed our own people because of their different religions (sure we subjugated them), but thats better than death to some. But it also didn't take us 60+ years and still have an unresolved conflict. It started with the formation of Israel, that was the original reason we took a military stance against Muslims. And now because of that stance, Islam's own personal fuck-ups within it's religion, such as not being able to decide a caliph, and our need for oil, we are forced to interact with savages with tendencies to try to do things like its still the Stone Age.
louie.miragsthe thing that bothers me the most is the U.S. has killed thousands of people as well. Not just bad guys either. So, many civilians...
I can't prove it but it seems as if they are using 9/11 as an excuse to be there. They say if we're not there then round 2 is coming. But, these terrorist say they just want us to stop. We're over there making sure we have access to oil. We kill thousands of people in our fight for resources. And then wonder why these people hate us. The see us as terrorist as much as we see them as terrorist.
Lol, the terrorists don't hate us because were on their soil... That's a farce. They hate us because of our western values and because a majority of us westerners are not Muslim. It has nothing to do with resources, their fucking holy book says right in it multiple times that non Muslims should be exterminated. They're following it verbatim.
JenniferGarnerThe U.S. has killed and destroyed the lives of hundreds of thousands of people over the past 60 years in order to control the economies of multiple countries on every continent. ISIS takes back a single country that the U.S. invaded and screwed up royally under false pretenses. As soon as Christians are being beheaded, everyone is sickened and outraged and can't understand why they hate Christians/westerners so much.
This is the world we live in, you morons. The only difference between the U.S. and ISIS is that the U.S. is much better at either hiding or displacing blame about their horrendous actions. ISIS doing this was predicted and was one of the opposition's main points to not invade Iraq under false pretenses.
Plain and simple, the U.S. has gotten away with too much shit and has brought this upon themselves- which is why you see so many westerners joining the fight and many Iraqi soldiers not attempting to fight back. It sucks what's happening but is a strong lesson to why the U.S. needs to stop fucking around with other sovereign countries. I guarantee the weapons used to capture the journalist were U.S. issued as well.
It's not a discussion when you name call. It takes away from your whole argument, and you're calling other people ignorant lol...
most of us understand why they hate us and it's not because they're jealous of our freedoms like Bush's party once said. They have a completely different culture and believe we threaten their way of life.
and somebody I didn't quote said they just don't want us off their soil. Isn't that the reasoning behind their beheading of that reporter?
Since 9/11 we've killed thousands of people. Way more murders in the Middle East than 9/11. Thousands more. The killing needs to stop, we have the ability to come up with a plan without killing everything we can put a gps coordinate on.
And ns the whole Christian thing, it's so crazy because so many stereo-typical chrisitan republicans support war. No where in the bible does it say killing is ok for your country. If it does please show me. I wish these Christians would stop picking and choosing what parts of the bible to take seriously and which to ignore. Or get with the times and drop that religion bullshit.
BombogenesisLol, the terrorists don't hate us because were on their soil... That's a farce. They hate us because of our western values and because a majority of us westerners are not Muslim. It has nothing to do with resources, their fucking holy book says right in it multiple times that non Muslims should be exterminated. They're following it verbatim.
This is more or less correct.
The hatred from these radical groups no longer has anything to do with oil, the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, or killing civilians.
These radical groups see ANY way of life that is different than how they interpret the Koran/Quran/Qur'an as a threat to their way of life. As a result, they will target any these groups indiscriminately and either kill them or force them to adapt. That is ISIS and was Al Qaeda's whole modus operandi, to kill anyone who disagreed with their way of life and was unwilling to adapt.
JenniferGarnerThe U.S. has killed and destroyed the lives of hundreds of thousands of people over the past 60 years in order to control the economies of multiple countries on every continent. ISIS takes back a single country that the U.S. invaded and screwed up royally under false pretenses. As soon as Christians are being beheaded, everyone is sickened and outraged and can't understand why they hate Christians/westerners so much.
This is the world we live in, you morons. The only difference between the U.S. and ISIS is that the U.S. is much better at either hiding or displacing blame about their horrendous actions. ISIS doing this was predicted and was one of the opposition's main points to not invade Iraq under false pretenses.
Plain and simple, the U.S. has gotten away with too much shit and has brought this upon themselves- which is why you see so many westerners joining the fight and many Iraqi soldiers not attempting to fight back. It sucks what's happening but is a strong lesson to why the U.S. needs to stop fucking around with other sovereign countries. I guarantee the weapons used to capture the journalist were U.S. issued as well.
ISIS is actually rampantly executing Shia Muslims in order to create a pure form of Islam. It's got nothing to do with Christians, they are simply using that as a pedestal for propaganda against US intervention in their quest to exterminate a race. It's a modern day Nazi attack on the Jews, ISIS rounds people up and shoots the Shia in the back of the head. For you to say that the US is comparable to that is pretty foolish.
To put it in perspective, Al Qaeda recently broke all ties with ISIS because they were too brutal.
an elementary understanding of US foreign policy and the broader ME turmoil on display in this thread.... what ISIS is doing is fueled by two primary conditions and both have little to do with American involvement in the region... start by asking what proxy war is taking place in the ME currently.... ISIS suicide bombers blowing up Sunni mosques and killing dozens of Sunni tribesman at a time surely isn't because "we are in their damn country again" ...
I watched it on LiveLeak. Can you imagine carrying that much hate around inside of you? How miserable would you be? Apparently it turns you into a barbarian.
In the emails sent to James Foley's family and his former boss, ISIS writes that the US shows no mercy for their weak, elderly, women, children but they ravage everyone in Iraq that isn't a Sunni. Yazidi, Christian, woman, child, they'll bury them alive. Sickening that people like this still exist.
McLeodan elementary understanding of US foreign policy and the broader ME turmoil on display in this thread.... what ISIS is doing is fueled by two primary conditions and both have little to do with American involvement in the region... start by asking what proxy war is taking place in the ME currently.... ISIS suicide bombers blowing up Sunni mosques and killing dozens of Sunni tribesman at a time surely isn't because "we are in their damn country again" ...
A welcome dose of knowledge to an otherwise ridiculous thread.
