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The most durable of park skis

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12steezy34
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I am looking for very durable park skis around 170 length. I don't know what to get, I just rode 2 years on K2 recoils and thrashed the hell out of them. Any advice is helpful.
Jul 25 2014 7:40PM
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Donketts
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My Volkl have lasted quite a while.
Jul 25 2014 7:50PM
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BWalmer
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There's a few to pick from here:
http://shop.on3pskis.com/collections/14-15-skis
Jul 25 2014 8:19PM
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Negromancer
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Armada AR7's (or THall's if you want a softer ski) are very durable. Been skiing mine for over a year now and I must have hit hundreds maybe even thousands of rails (I ski in a snowdome a lot) and the only damage I've done is minor two edge cracks, the edges have not pulled out just cracked and some base scrapes.

If you ride park a lot though every ski will break and I wouldn't expect the ski to last longer than one season.
Jul 25 2014 8:36PM
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tomPietrowski
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Firstly we need to actually know what you want from a ski. Just naming durable skis won't help much if we are advising completely the opposite kind of ski that you want.

What at will you use the skis for, how long have you skied, how old are you, how tall an how heavy. What skis have you ridden that you like an which skis have you not enjoyed.
Jul 25 2014 8:37PM
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steezyclezy
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armada, atomic (punx), volkl, apo are generally quite durable. k2 are kind of up and down it depends which ones you get
Jul 25 2014 9:51PM
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VAPEOREON
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My brother has been riding the same pair of ninthward comtes since 2011 and he rides a good 50+ days a season hitting mostly rails. He had flow from ninth for a while so its not like he rides easy either. Ar7s hold up really well too as mentioned before. Apparently henrik rode a full season on one pair and its really believable. Except for the ar7s with the gangster graphics (for some reason they break) ar7s always last a season or two. Also tom he isnt asking for the most durable for him, hes asking for the most durable of all, which in my experience would be ar7s and ninthwards. Vokl and on3p are great too.
Jul 25 2014 11:47PM
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Scotty_Boy
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BWalmerThere's a few to pick from here:
http://shop.on3pskis.com/collections/14-15-skis


Dude get billy goats as a park ski they shred.




Just kidding. In all seriousness, filthy riches, presters, or the Kartel 98 are all good, durable skis. ON3P is known for being bombproof. As is K2.
Jul 25 2014 11:56PM
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tomPietrowski
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VAPEOREONMy brother has been riding the same pair of ninthward comtes since 2011 and he rides a good 50+ days a season hitting mostly rails. He had flow from ninth for a while so its not like he rides easy either. Ar7s hold up really well too as mentioned before. Apparently henrik rode a full season on one pair and its really believable. Except for the ar7s with the gangster graphics (for some reason they break) ar7s always last a season or two. Also tom he isnt asking for the most durable for him, hes asking for the most durable of all, which in my experience would be ar7s and ninthwards. Vokl and on3p are great too.

No he said he is looking for a durable park ski in 170ish size. Now the ar7 I agree is a great choice but if he is small and wants a soft buttery ski then its not a good suggestion. That is why we need more info to suggest skis
Jul 25 2014 11:58PM
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VAPEOREON
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tomPietrowskimore info to suggest skis


Generally a soft ski isnt very durable. Pretty much every ski mentioned so far is a stiff chambered ski. Ar7s and vokl walls are pretty stiff chambered/ and the comte is basically a plank of wood. Thats why theyre so durable, not because of extreme quality, (never rode on3p but ive heard theyre amazing quality and durable), but because they are so strong/stiff/cut from a 2x4.

To get a durable buttery ski youd need to buy a well crafted expensive ski. To get a durable ski youd need to buy stiff. For reference the 9th edollo is $149 while the big kartel is $749.

also yeah its hard to rec a ski without info, but he only said durable 170. Hope this helps op.
Jul 26 2014 12:56AM
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Scotty_Boy
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VAPEOREONGenerally a soft ski isnt very durable. Pretty much every ski mentioned so far is a stiff chambered ski. Ar7s and vokl walls are pretty stiff chambered/ and the comte is basically a plank of wood. Thats why theyre so durable, not because of extreme quality, (never rode on3p but ive heard theyre amazing quality and durable), but because they are so strong/stiff/cut from a 2x4.

To get a durable buttery ski youd need to buy a well crafted expensive ski. To get a durable ski youd need to buy stiff. For reference the 9th edollo is $149 while the big kartel is $749.

also yeah its hard to rec a ski without info, but he only said durable 170. Hope this helps op.


Domains are soft and durable. And from what I've heard the Kartel 98 isn't too stiff.
Jul 26 2014 1:44AM
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DP*
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J skis have the thickest edge in the game and can flex like a yoga instructor.
Jul 26 2014 3:14AM
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12steezy34
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To all the people asking about more info, I am 6 feet tall and weigh 220 lbs. I liked my K2s a lot but the edges went to shit pretty quickly.
Jul 26 2014 10:45AM
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12steezy34
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5' 11" sorry i just measured to make sure
Jul 26 2014 10:50AM
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tomPietrowski
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12steezy34To all the people asking about more info, I am 6 feet tall and weigh 220 lbs. I liked my K2s a lot but the edges went to shit pretty quickly.


Ok well edge wise k2 are pretty good to be honest it's prob just at your size you will go through edges Unfortunately.

What are you looking for ski wise? Do you prefer rails or jumps. Do you want these skis just for the park. Do you prefer a slightly stiffer ski or do you like softer?
Jul 26 2014 11:11AM
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tomPietrowski
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VAPEOREONGenerally a soft ski isnt very durable. Pretty much every ski mentioned so far is a stiff chambered ski. Ar7s and vokl walls are pretty stiff chambered/ and the comte is basically a plank of wood. Thats why theyre so durable, not because of extreme quality, (never rode on3p but ive heard theyre amazing quality and durable), but because they are so strong/stiff/cut from a 2x4.

To get a durable buttery ski youd need to buy a well crafted expensive ski. To get a durable ski youd need to buy stiff. For reference the 9th edollo is $149 while the big kartel is $749.

also yeah its hard to rec a ski without info, but he only said durable 170. Hope this helps op.


A ski does not need to be stiff to be durable. Look at thalls, punx, filthy rich, j skis ect all soft skis but all very durable. I agree that to get a durable ski you will generally be paying more but not always. You can find skis from previous years cheaper. So I would not really agree you need to go stiff just to get durability.
Jul 26 2014 11:25AM
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12steezy34
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I prefer rails, and i want stiff skis.
Jul 26 2014 11:27AM
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tomPietrowski
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12steezy34I prefer rails, and i want stiff skis.


Ok well I would look at ar7, suspects, maybe punx but they are prob too soft, prestors or recoils again. All those skis should last as well as your old recoils and will have a reasonably stiff flex. Try to demo some of those skis and see if any suit you.
Jul 26 2014 11:42AM
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shin-bang
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k2s actually have the thickest edges i have ever seen, which is 3.5mm. but that means you sacrifice weight. i like armadas construction which makes the tips and tails lighter, yet still sandwich construction underfoot. if you want thick edges go with k2.
Jul 26 2014 1:55PM
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jaypeakskier
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ill sell youmy rossinol sprayer 2012 with marker squi bindings for cehap. with the money you save you could still buy new boots, or a jacket , or save the money. they are 168 cm and worked well on jumps and as an all montain ski. turned fast through moguls and trees but were also very poppy and playful.pm me if interested
Jul 26 2014 2:51PM
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Bergan
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if yo want a durable ski that's stiff with strong edges, k2 recoil.. now i'm a fan of other skis, but from your description this seems like the ski for you
Jul 28 2014 7:17PM
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RudyGarmisch
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_J.T.k2s actually have the thickest edges i have ever seen, which is 3.5mm.


Look harder.

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/677219/3-5mm-edge-vs--2-5-mm-edge
Jul 29 2014 1:10AM
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BWalmer
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_J.T.k2s actually have the thickest edges i have ever seen, which is 3.5mm.


Marketing snags another one.

K2's edges are 3.5mm x 1.5mm (1.5mm being the height...which is what wears out quicker). Standard edges are 1.5mm by 1.5mm...so they're really not thicker than most other park skis. However, there are companies out there that have been doing 2.5mm x 2.5mm edges, which are actually thicker and stronger than other companies.
Jul 29 2014 7:13AM
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.lencon
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BWalmerMarketing snags another one.

K2's edges are 3.5mm x 1.5mm (1.5mm being the height...which is what wears out quicker). Standard edges are 1.5mm by 1.5mm...so they're really not thicker than most other park skis. However, there are companies out there that have been doing 2.5mm x 2.5mm edges, which are actually thicker and stronger than other companies.


Okay so I have a question. If k2 only specifies the 3.5mm and leaves out the 1.5mm, are companies like Surface and Batalla, who only say; "2.5mm edge wrap", are they that durable? Are they 2.5x2.5? Or 2.5x1.5? Hopefully that made sense.
Jul 29 2014 11:14AM
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BWalmer
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Grizzly.ButtahOkay so I have a question. If k2 only specifies the 3.5mm and leaves out the 1.5mm, are companies like Surface and Batalla, who only say; "2.5mm edge wrap", are they that durable? Are they 2.5x2.5? Or 2.5x1.5? Hopefully that made sense.


Most companies post the largest size. So a company the says "2.5mm edges" are almost always 2.5mm x 1.5mm. The companies that use 2.5mm x 2.5mm edges post that. The only companies I know of that use them are ON3P and I think J-skis.
Jul 29 2014 1:01PM
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.lencon
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BWalmerMost companies post the largest size. So a company the says "2.5mm edges" are almost always 2.5mm x 1.5mm. The companies that use 2.5mm x 2.5mm edges post that. The only companies I know of that use them are ON3P and I think J-skis.


Wow. Thanks for the help. Definetly reconsidering batalla skis. Probably just going to be sticking with ON3P or j skis.
Jul 29 2014 2:12PM
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KittenFactory
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BWalmerThe companies that use 2.5mm x 2.5mm edges post that. The only companies I know of that use them are ON3P and I think J-skis.


We use 2.5 mm x 2.5 mm edges on our park skis. The added height makes a huge difference in edge longevity. Much more so than the increase in width which is mainly for marketing purposes (and apparently working). You can't have thicker edges without thicker bases though, so there is a fairly substantial weight increase in skis with thicker edges and bases. In my opinion having your park skis last is worth the couple hundred gram penalty though.
Jul 29 2014 3:30PM
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shin-bang
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BWalmerMarketing snags another one.

K2's edges are 3.5mm x 1.5mm (1.5mm being the height...which is what wears out quicker). Standard edges are 1.5mm by 1.5mm...so they're really not thicker than most other park skis. However, there are companies out there that have been doing 2.5mm x 2.5mm edges, which are actually thicker and stronger than other companies.


awww, thanks for clearing that up, im actually going with kitten factory skis
Jul 29 2014 4:45PM
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