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Israel begins ground invasion of Gaza

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Utard
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IDF starts Gaza ground invasion By YAAKOV LAPPIN

IDF ground forces began to move into the Gaza Strip on Thursday evening, the prime minister's office confirmed.

The purpose of the operation was to destroy the Gazan terror tunnels leading to Israel, according to a statement released by the prime minister's office.

Prior to the commencement of the ground invasion, the IDF launched a massive wave of combined air and artillery strikes on Thursday night.

The IDF said that the operation will involve infantry, engineering corps, and tank units combined with air force and naval support and intelligence.

Palestinian sources said strikes occurred up and down the Strip, adding that one strike targeted a motorcycle apparently carrying members of a rocket launching cell on their way to an attack on Israel.

At around 10:00 p.m. rocket sirens sounded in the Tel Aviv area, and in the Shfela. Iron Dome made a number of interceptions in the Tel Aviv area.

Hamas bombarded Israel on Thursday with rockets after the end of the humanitarian truce, firing over 100 projectiles after 3 p.m. Eighty one rockets landed in open areas, two fell inside villages, damaging two homes, and 20 were intercepted by the Iron Dome air defense system.

Also on Thursday, a drone from Gaza was detected in Israeli airspace, over the Ashkelon area. The IAF fired a patriot surface-to-air missile at the aircraft, shooting it down. It was the second Hamas drone to be shot down in recent days.

The IDF on Thursday warned citizens of Gaza to evacuate their homes and make their way from less populated areas to the Strip's major cities.

Close to 100,000 leaflets containing the message were dropped over the territory and hundreds of thousands of citizens from all over Gaza received recorded phone messages warning them to vacate villages.

Air raid sirens sounded throughout southern and central areas during the day. Ashkelon and Ashdod were targeted by Hamas repeatedly in the evening, and were successfully defended by Iron Dome.

Iron Dome intercepted two rockets over central Israel and the Sharon district in the evening, and one over the city of Ashdod. Several rockets landed in open areas.

The Gaza-border region of Eshkol came under continuous rocket barrages. Some ten rockets in open areas, and one damaged a home.

Between 3 p.m. and 5:30 p.m., Hamas fired 40 rockets at Israel, and Iron Dome shot three down Two rockets were fired at Beersheba, with one falling in an open area and a second intercepted over the Negev city.

Within a minute of the ceasefire ending, rockets were fired from Gaza at the Ashkelon industrial area and Hof Ashkelon region. Most fell in open areas.

The humanitarian ceasefire was violated when Hamas fired 3 projectiles at the Eshkol region. The rockets exploded in open areas.

On Thursday morning, one rocket was intercepted over the greater Tel Aviv and Sharon district, and one rocket fell in an open area. In Beersheba, Iron Dome intercepted an incoming Gazan rocket.
Jul 17 2014 4:08PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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las.I understand it's a lot more complex than that. All I'm saying is it's absurd to act as if the U.S. isn't part of the problem


That is like saying it is absurd to act as if Russia, China, and other Muslim countries aren't part of the problem either.

This is akin to a proxy war of the Cold War era, heck, it could even be considered a continuation of one.

And Granite has a good point above me, the American Government=/= the American People. Yes we may vote them in, but the American political system is flawed and this is a prime example.
Jul 23 2014 11:14PM
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las.
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.MASSHOLE.That is like saying it is absurd to act as if Russia, China, and other Muslim countries aren't part of the problem either.

This is akin to a proxy war of the Cold War era, heck, it could even be considered a continuation of one.

And Granite has a good point above me, the American Government=/= the American People. Yes we may vote them in, but the American political system is flawed and this is a prime example.


Slow down buddy, don't get so defensive. I'm not targeting america at all - I wad just correcting the guy above for what he falsely said, and what he now seems to be back-peddling on. A lot of people are at fault, ok?
Jul 23 2014 11:25PM
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HolySchimmel
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RubberSoulare you guys fucking crazy? what on earth makes you think arguing side to side on this has any conclusion? is it just wishful thinking, wanting this to be simple and black and white?

there's no "GOOD GUY" and "BAD GUY" here, it's a super complex problem and both sides have plenty of blood on their hands-- you will NEVER win an argument about it, nevermind by saying "well X side did this, and Y did that." it's just so far gone past that point it boggles my mind that anyone besides paid shills would ever seriously try to make an argument like that

yell less and spend that time reading news from all sides of the issue...sorry to preach but if you really think one side here is ""good"" and the other is ""bad"" youre painfully, ridiculously naive


THANK YOU!
Jul 24 2014 1:35AM
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theabortionator
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Granite_StateAlso, sorry if I believe the Jews have a right to live peacefully somewhere on this fucking planet. They have been persecuted for thousands of years for literally no reason. I don't think the formation of Israel was the greatest idea but shit, for all the stuff they've been through they deserve some stake on this planet.

That doesn't discount the horrible things they've done but if your a country surrounded by other countries that want to wipe you off the face of the earth, what are you supposed to do???



Oh please.


Also you do realize israel has expanded over the years. OMG we're just trying to live peacefully here, snag a little more land, bro we're just trying to live peacefully, blast a few people, bro we're just trying to live peacefully.


Neither side has clean hands. And the support israel no matter what just because idea is so fucking played.
Jul 24 2014 3:12AM
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HolySchimmel
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theabortionatorOh please.


Also you do realize israel has expanded over the years. OMG we're just trying to live peacefully here, snag a little more land, bro we're just trying to live peacefully, blast a few people, bro we're just trying to live peacefully.


Neither side has clean hands. And the support israel no matter what just because idea is so fucking played.


posting this again for emphasis:
Jul 24 2014 3:54AM
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Laurent.
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HolySchimmelposting this again for emphasis:


You do know that might possibly be the most factually wrong map sequence that exists and solely made to set people up against Israel.

To spare from a long list of faults, let me just tell you that there was no 'Palestine' in 1946 (nor was there an Israel.) There was only the British Mandate.

Google it.
Jul 24 2014 5:10AM
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HolySchimmel
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Well if you look at the map, it doesn't say Israel in the first two versions. It says jewish and palestinian land which in my opinion is supposed to show the areas of land mostly inhabitated by people of that group (or muslims and jews)
Jul 24 2014 5:30AM
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HolySchimmel
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read this for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#Modern_period

the german version is way more detailed, but I guess you wouldn't really understand it ;)
In case someone does and cares enough to read all the stuff:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pal%C3%A4stina_%28Region%29#Britisches_Mandat
Jul 24 2014 5:36AM
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Laurent.
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HolySchimmelWell if you look at the map, it doesn't say Israel in the first two versions. It says jewish and palestinian land which in my opinion is supposed to show the areas of land mostly inhabitated by people of that group (or muslims and jews)


But those regions are not even correct, I take no side in this conflict but I do stand against spreading falsified information as truth to further one's own goals, you didn't make them, I can't blame you, but you can refrain from posting them considering their lack of truth.

HolySchimmelthe german version is way more detailed, but I guess you wouldn't really understand it ;)


I was forced to learn German, thank Dutch education for that.
Jul 24 2014 5:57AM
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las.
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HolySchimmelposting this again for emphasis:


Jul 24 2014 7:46AM
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.MASSHOLE.
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This is fucked up.

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/israeli-footballers-attacked-austria-090027121.html

[quote]A friendly match between Maccabi Haifa and Lille degenerated into chaos when the players from the Israeli team were attacked by protestors.
Salzburg police said around 20 people with flags and placards, mostly Austrians of Turkish origin, stormed the pitch shouting slogans about the Gaza conflict, in which more than 700 Palestinians have been killed and thousands displaced.[/quote]
Jul 24 2014 8:11AM
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HolySchimmel
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las.


so basically you're saying Israel is right because they have a different religion and don't own a lot of land in comparision to their neighbors?
Jul 24 2014 9:00AM
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las.
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HolySchimmelso basically you're saying Israel is right because they have a different religion and don't own a lot of land in comparision to their neighbors?


No, I just thought if you can post a comically disingenuous infographic, then why not I too?

In all seriousness, your map sequence is a train wreck of misinformation. As it's been said, the land was British in 1946, not Palestinian. Also, it's essentially impossible to determine the authenticity of the first frame as the number of Jews and their settlements was not completely known (and the entire area was administered in union with Jordan).
As for the 1947 partition plan, the Palestinians rejected this offer for statehood in favour of war (which they have done so more than once, might I add).
And as for the last two frames, it is again impossible to determine such a black and white divide considering Jordanians and Egyptians were both occupying the mapped green area at the time too. I can imagine the size of Jewish settlements illustrated is grossly overestimated regardless.
Jul 24 2014 9:38AM
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theBearJew
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HolySchimmelWell if you look at the map, it doesn't say Israel in the first two versions. It says jewish and palestinian land which in my opinion is supposed to show the areas of land mostly inhabitated by people of that group (or muslims and jews)


As I mentioned on the second page, the Jews purchased the land from willingly selling Arabs. It wasn't taken over like most people think. It wasn't like the early American settlers and the Native Americans.

When it comes to the 1948 2 state plan I am not sure how much land the Jews owned compared to the Arabs. I just know the Arabs rejected the treaty because they refuse to acknowledged the state of Israel. Chose to have war instead, thus the entire land was stated by the UN to the Jews as the state of Israel.
Jul 24 2014 9:45AM
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theBearJew
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Also show me where the Jews at a pro Israel rally turns to riots, looting, and Kristallnacht 2.0?

After a pro-Palestine rally in Paris members of the rally burned cars and looted Jewish owned shops. Not the first time either. Previous times locals heard chats of, "Gas the Jews" and "Kill all the Jews"

A few pictures,





http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/22/france-jewish-shops-riot_n_5608612.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Jul 24 2014 9:55AM
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^ actually though, a lot of this violence is due to anti semitism, not a feeling of nationalism or pride in their own country.
Jul 24 2014 11:03AM
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HolySchimmel
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theBearJewAlso show me where the Jews at a pro Israel rally turns to riots, looting, and Kristallnacht 2.0?

After a pro-Palestine rally in Paris members of the rally burned cars and looted Jewish owned shops. Not the first time either. Previous times locals heard chats of, "Gas the Jews" and "Kill all the Jews"


I never said I agree with the way of protesting and the riots etc. I despise people who do stuff like that. My main point was that you have to look at both point of views.
Jul 24 2014 11:08AM
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theBearJew
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roddy116^ actually though, a lot of this violence is due to anti semitism, not a feeling of nationalism or pride in their own country.


And a lot of the support for Gaza is due to anti semitism, not a feeling of being a humanitarian and caring about the civilians.
Jul 24 2014 11:08AM
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theBearJew
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HolySchimmelI never said I agree with the way of protesting and the riots etc. I despise people who do stuff like that. My main point was that you have to look at both point of views.


I wasn't trying to direct that post at you, just point out some other things going on around the world related to this conflict.



And I am looking at both point of views, but you have to be informative, the Jews purchased the land, it wasn't taken. I don't see how that you can say it is a "loss of land" they sold it legally.
Jul 24 2014 11:56AM
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Granite_StateI mean it is as far as the government is concerned but the American people have far different opinions, something it seems is hard for you foreigners to understand...


It has to do with lobbyists, for some reason a bunch of Christians in Texas pay the government a ton of money into helping out Isreal, I think if I read about it correctly it was because they believed once Jews under certain portion of the Middle East Jesus will come back.
Jul 24 2014 12:09PM
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theBearJew
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zzzskizzzIt has to do with lobbyists, for some reason a bunch of Christians in Texas pay the government a ton of money into helping out Isreal, I think if I read about it correctly it was because they believed once Jews under certain portion of the Middle East Jesus will come back.


There is a belief that if all the Jews return to their homeland, Israel, that Jesus will rise again. But I don't think that has to do with the main support for Israel in America. Maybe a little, but not the driving factor.
Jul 24 2014 12:12PM
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theBearJewThere is a belief that if all the Jews return to their homeland, Israel, that Jesus will rise again. But I don't think that has to do with the main support for Israel in America. Maybe a little, but not the driving factor.


large scale non-jewish support for zionism in the US, especially at the governmental/lobbying level, is because in the geopolitical realm the US loves having a bastion of US/non-muslim support in the middle east. this is like the only simple aspect of this entire subject
Jul 24 2014 1:05PM
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RubberSoullarge scale non-jewish support for zionism in the US, especially at the governmental/lobbying level, is because in the geopolitical realm the US loves having a bastion of US/non-muslim support in the middle east. this is like the only simple aspect of this entire subject


Yep. This. The US government wants an ally in the Middle East. The Saudi's only like us because we buy their oil, the Iraqis, Iranians, Lebanese, Jordanians, and Syrians all hate the US. Israel is an actual true ally to the United States.
Jul 24 2014 1:11PM
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theBearJew
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.MASSHOLE.Yep. This. The US government wants an ally in the Middle East. The Saudi's only like us because we buy their oil, the Iraqis, Iranians, Lebanese, Jordanians, and Syrians all hate the US. Israel is an actual true ally to the United States.


Well, this is the first time in this thread we have all agreed on something.
Jul 24 2014 1:50PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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theBearJewWell, this is the first time in this thread we have all agreed on something.


It is also hard to disagree with something so painfully obvious.
Jul 24 2014 1:53PM
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Funkadelic
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zzzskizzzIt has to do with lobbyists, for some reason a bunch of Christians in Texas pay the government a ton of money into helping out Isreal, I think if I read about it correctly it was because they believed once Jews under certain portion of the Middle East Jesus will come back.


While this is true, it's mostly because the Bible says that God will bless any nation that supports and protects the Jews and Israel. And it says Israel is holy land and it's for the Jews. So most Christians believe the Jews are God's chosen people and Israel is their rightful land granted by God.

Source: I grew up with a fundamentalist Christian father. (I'm not a fundamentalist Christian myself, but I know the whole dogma from growing up in that environment)
Jul 24 2014 9:00PM
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Jul 24 2014 9:21PM
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theBearJewThere is a belief that if all the Jews return to their homeland, Israel, that Jesus will rise again. But I don't think that has to do with the main support for Israel in America. Maybe a little, but not the driving factor.


It does for our government, they pay you millions of dollars to Congress to support Israel. which is weird that a Christian church in Texas does that.
Jul 24 2014 9:59PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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zzzskizzzIt does for our government, they pay you millions of dollars to Congress to support Israel. which is weird that a Christian church in Texas does that.


Well not to sound like an asshole but it is also weird that people still strictly follow a book of falsities written thousands of years ago by ignorant middle easterners...
Jul 24 2014 10:07PM
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HolySchimmel
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FunkadelicWhile this is true, it's mostly because the Bible says that God will bless any nation that supports and protects the Jews and Israel. And it says Israel is holy land and it's for the Jews. So most Christians believe the Jews are God's chosen people and Israel is their rightful land granted by God.


Well the problem with that part of land is that its quite important for jews, christians and muslims. So there really should be a way of living together peacefully. Especially if you want to follow the guidlines given by the bible...
Jul 25 2014 1:16AM
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Bombogenesis
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I thought it was commonly accepted at this point that the majority of Muslims don't function right upstairs
Jul 25 2014 11:59AM
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Ski_Alot
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las.


Sorry but this is the stupidest fucking graphic ever, there are so many different ethnic groups and sects being grouped together as muslims even though they have different languages, traditions and ways of life. Would you be okay with being relocated thousands of miles away to africa or something just on the basis of, "oh americans are predominately christian, and so are kenyans, they'll get along just fine!"
Jul 25 2014 12:00PM
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RubberSoul
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BombogenesisI thought it was commonly accepted at this point that the majority of Muslims don't function right upstairs


anyone who prioritizes extremist religious values above rational thought and respect for other humans has a mental disorder as far as i'm concerned. these two groups are fighting over a fucking sandbox because of some unvetted book and its insane offshoots. people love the idea of things being explainable i guess

i'll respect any reasonable approach to spirituality and religion but church-states have no place in today's world.......IMO
Jul 25 2014 12:10PM
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Bombogenesis
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RubberSoulanyone who prioritizes extremist religious values above rational thought and respect for other humans has a mental disorder as far as i'm concerned. these two groups are fighting over a fucking sandbox because of some unvetted book and its insane offshoots. people love the idea of things being explainable i guess

i'll respect any reasonable approach to spirituality and religion but church-states have no place in today's world.......IMO


Yeah... I think in the Middle East it's safe to say at least like 80% of Muslims share extremist views. Maybe not but seems that way. Religion of peace lol.
Jul 25 2014 1:55PM
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VT_FLO
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Ski_AlotSorry but this is the stupidest fucking graphic ever, there are so many different ethnic groups and sects being grouped together as muslims even though they have different languages, traditions and ways of life. Would you be okay with being relocated thousands of miles away to africa or something just on the basis of, "oh americans are predominately christian, and so are kenyans, they'll get along just fine!"


Kenyans are FUCKING AWESOME
Jul 25 2014 2:27PM
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RubberSoul
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BombogenesisYeah... I think in the Middle East it's safe to say at least like 80% of Muslims share extremist views. Maybe not but seems that way. Religion of peace lol.


actually i read something on this recently. a pew research poll...polled people on things like "are suicide bombings [ever, often, sometimes, rarely] justified?" and the average across all the countries with the affirmative answers lumped together was around 40%. needless to say in some places like pakistan it was like 5%, something way more reasonable, and in places like gaza it was some stupid high number, and then everything in between. no surprise that shit holes produce extremists...

i hate that some people lump all muslims in with the wackos but i have to admit i thought that number would be much much lower. but i'm an equal opportunity religion hater (when we're talking geopolitical stuff... obviously the vast majority of religious folk in the world are upstanding people who mind their own business), as far as im concerned as soon as someone thinks they have god's will on their side then they're most likely gonna behave like a fucking idiot. islam just happens to be the one doing the most crazy balls-out shit this century
Jul 25 2014 2:31PM
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las.
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Ski_AlotSorry but this is the stupidest fucking graphic ever, there are so many different ethnic groups and sects being grouped together as muslims even though they have different languages, traditions and ways of life. Would you be okay with being relocated thousands of miles away to africa or something just on the basis of, "oh americans are predominately christian, and so are kenyans, they'll get along just fine!"


...No shit. It was a joke, in response to that other outrageous and completely misleading graph. If you'd read literally a couple of posts down from it you would've got that
Jul 25 2014 8:41PM
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Bill.Nye
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Hey guys, just wanted to show you some of the evil terrorists Israel has killed this month in Gaza.



Jul 26 2014 12:52AM
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Bombogenesis
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Bill.NyeHey guys, just wanted to show you some of the evil terrorists Israel has killed this month in Gaza.





*future evil terrorists


future
Jul 26 2014 1:46PM
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steazy_e
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CONAIR_BUSCEMIEver smell the stench from a rotting corpse? Ever hold the half torn apart body of a wife, child, and brother, friend as the life slips away into total coldness?

The point I am trying to make here which is as relevant as it gets, is that the academia / conditioned entertainment individual mentality today and for the last decade is so detached from reality they talk and write as if debating the rules and reasoning of the war topic as if a cribbage game. They mention death and slaughter (potential or actual) as if a review of a new TV series.

Safety through conditioned illusion of the reality of a situation will not cut it any more. Ever dream you could fly, or walk through walls, or walk down the highway into oncoming traffic where the cars would not hit you?
Well, dreaming is safe. Illusion is safe. Hard core "reality" can have lethal and unintended consequences for those that allow themselves to be entertained.

Arrogance for a show of deadly force at the cost of much blood and lives cannot be allowed or tolerated. This is not entertainment folks, it is the choice between life and death.

The circumstances for any war or lethal military attack should be determined by: THE ANSWER TO THIS ONE QUESTION:

If you, your family, and all of your friends were sitting at ground zero, do the circumstances created by others in that location warrant a lethal strike on ground zero?


If the answer is yes TO THAT QUESTION, than bombs away. If no, then stand down and resolve, or assist to resolving if you choose. Resolving the circumstances that moved the question to be asked in the first place.
War is the bully coward’s way of confrontation without the use of effective true intelligence and brilliance applied for mutually beneficial coexistence. War also puts much easy money in the pockets of what can be called noting other than true, well placed human scum.

The choice is all of ours folks of Life or Death. Choose wisely and back your choice up with true applied force to influence what end result flourishes.

TO END ALL WARS, it is actually much easier to do so than you may think. But then being captured in masterful entertainment for evil profit saturating us all is the first detriment to an easy resolution of the matter.

Those that choose death should in true justice reap what they sow and Ditto for those that choose life.
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Jul 27 2014 5:28PM
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Funkadelic
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Bill.NyeHey guys, just wanted to show you some of the evil terrorists Israel has killed this month in Gaza.





No Hamas killed those people by putting/launching their missiles in highly urbanized areas. If they would keep their artillery in the lesser-inhabited southern region of the Gaza Strip civilian casualties would be minimized. However, Hamas has shown blatant disregard for their people's well-being and safety, using them as human shields. This is pretty common knowledge at this point... Even among the most liberal sources (like the NY Times).
Jul 28 2014 11:02AM
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Utard
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FunkadelicThis is pretty common knowledge at this point... Even among the most liberal sources (like the NY Times).


If you think that the NY Times is a "liberal" source on Gaza then you're fucking delusional
Jul 28 2014 12:58PM
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O.G.Surachai
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FunkadelicNo Hamas killed those people by putting/launching their missiles in highly urbanized areas. If they would keep their artillery in the lesser-inhabited southern region of the Gaza Strip civilian casualties would be minimized. However, Hamas has shown blatant disregard for their people's well-being and safety, using them as human shields. This is pretty common knowledge at this point... Even among the most liberal sources (like the NY Times).


This doesn't wash the blood off Israel's hands bombing civilian targets. All this shows is that Hamas is effectively using it to get publicity by showing that Israel doesn't give a shit if they kill civilians, which is obviously true. Hamas are fucking terrible for doing that to their people, but Israel is just as bad, if not worse, for still shooting.

The Vice News channel on YouTube has some pretty interesting footage and interviews coming out of there right now that I think are well worth a look.
Jul 28 2014 2:39PM
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theBearJew
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KakxXN5Z-XI

So this guy's father was one of the founders of Hamas. He has first had experience as a child with the culture and way children are raised in Gaza.
Jul 28 2014 2:56PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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^That was very interesting to listen to.
Jul 28 2014 3:02PM
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Funkadelic
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DreddSteveThis doesn't wash the blood off Israel's hands bombing civilian targets. All this shows is that Hamas is effectively using it to get publicity by showing that Israel doesn't give a shit if they kill civilians, which is obviously true. Hamas are fucking terrible for doing that to their people, but Israel is just as bad, if not worse, for still shooting.

The Vice News channel on YouTube has some pretty interesting footage and interviews coming out of there right now that I think are well worth a look.


I agree, but Israel has to do something to defend against Hamas's attacks. To think that Hamas wouldn't be killing Israeli civilians on a larger scale if it wasn't for the fact that they have a military on par with sand people is short-sighted.
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O.G.Surachai
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FunkadelicI agree, but Israel has to do something to defend against Hamas's attacks. To think that Hamas wouldn't be killing Israeli civilians on a larger scale if it wasn't for the fact that they have a military on par with sand people is short-sighted.


I'm sure that's absolutely true, it's no secret that most of Middle East would like to see Israel wiped off the map. While that is the case, they already have defenses in place for that, in the form of US backing and a nuclear deterrent.

I just don't agree with the scale of the Israeli offensive while claiming they are "defending themselves." How many people got killed by Hamas rockets before the airstrikes started? 1? The Iron Dome has done a damn good job protecting Israel so far. I'm not sure that warrants a full scale ground invasion that has killed over 1,000 people. They could have taken the high road and continued to work through diplomacy, but that has never been the plan. Netanyahu is just as eager as Hamas to have an excuse to shoot at each other.

It'll be interesting to see how long this can go on. Do you think that Palestine will be able to exist in any way in the next 50 years or will Israel eventually force them out?
Jul 28 2014 7:10PM
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roddy116
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DreddSteveThis doesn't wash the blood off Israel's hands bombing civilian targets. All this shows is that Hamas is effectively using it to get publicity by showing that Israel doesn't give a shit if they kill civilians, which is obviously true. Hamas are fucking terrible for doing that to their people, but Israel is just as bad, if not worse, for still shooting.

The Vice News channel on YouTube has some pretty interesting footage and interviews coming out of there right now that I think are well worth a look.


Hey israel does what they can to get them to leave, they have radio signals warning civilians in gaza. Thats all they can do, either way Israel has agreed to every ceasefire they can.
Jul 28 2014 9:54PM
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roddy116Hey israel does what they can to get them to leave, they have radio signals warning civilians in gaza. Thats all they can do, either way Israel has agreed to every ceasefire they can.


what's your point? You in no way and addressed his post. Also shocked you posted in this thread about a religious war.
Jul 28 2014 11:22PM
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DreddSteveI'm sure that's absolutely true, it's no secret that most of Middle East would like to see Israel wiped off the map. While that is the case, they already have defenses in place for that, in the form of US backing and a nuclear deterrent.

I just don't agree with the scale of the Israeli offensive while claiming they are "defending themselves." How many people got killed by Hamas rockets before the airstrikes started? 1? The Iron Dome has done a damn good job protecting Israel so far. I'm not sure that warrants a full scale ground invasion that has killed over 1,000 people. They could have taken the high road and continued to work through diplomacy, but that has never been the plan. Netanyahu is just as eager as Hamas to have an excuse to shoot at each other.

It'll be interesting to see how long this can go on. Do you think that Palestine will be able to exist in any way in the next 50 years or will Israel eventually force them out?


Those Iron Dome missiles are very expensive, Israel would run out before Hamas ran out of their half-rate rockets.

Hamas is basically an older ISIS, and should be wiped out as such.
Jul 28 2014 11:39PM
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