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WW3 starting soon - Malaysian passenger plane taken out by missile Ukraine near Russian border

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snowfinder
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Malaysian passenger plane crashes in Ukraine near Russian border -Ifax

MOSCOW, July 17 (Reuters) - A Malaysian passenger airliner with 295 people on board crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, Interfax cited an aviation industry source as saying on Thursday.

It said the Boeing plane was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. Reuters could not immediately confirm the Interfax report.

http://news.yahoo.com/malaysian-passenger-plane-crashes-ukraine-151320569.html
Jul 17 2014 12:06PM
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fujarome
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rumor has it that the separatists already have the black box, and have looted what they could from the wreckage.

Also just remembered, bizarrely enough, today is the anniversary of the TWA800 crash off long island that I referenced as a possible case of the US government shooting down a plane.
Jul 17 2014 3:12PM
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Laurent.
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Apparently the father of a distant friend of mine was onboard that plane. He found out when he was watching the news 8 o'clock news. I cannot imagine how hard that must be, you can't prepare for something like that.
Jul 17 2014 3:14PM
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louie.mirags
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Ski_the_east01good chance this is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site



also if anyone is thinking it's not russia its the ukranian rebels they are sorely misguided. Rebels = russian military .

Rebels don;t have the firepower to knock a plane out of the sky that is at 40k feet...that is some serious firepower you don't just pick up off the side of the street


Let's slow it down a bit killa.. I forgot the smiley face to show my sarcasm ;)
Jul 17 2014 3:16PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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RT News, aka Russian propaganda machine is saying that the a missile from Ukrainian jet shot it down and that the missile was originally intended for Putin's plane which was supposedly in the same area as MH17. They said there flights crossed paths over Warsaw, Poland. The finger pointing is definitely getting out of hand.
Jul 17 2014 3:23PM
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MLJ
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*DUMBCAN*23 Americans, 8 Britons reported on board. These are unconfirmed.


Interestingly, here we have a potentially massive international event being documented in the form of a thread on a skiing website. I find that moderately amusing.


I always go to ns for news like this, you can almost always get a wide range of sources and opinions of varied bias.
Jul 17 2014 3:25PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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The problem that I have is that the Pro-Russian separatist control the crash site and posses most of the black boxes on the plane. Of course its speculation on my behalf, but this looks like an attempt at a cover-up. The leader of the russian separatist tweeted at the time of the crash that they shot down what they thought was a Ukrainian plane and that that they told them that they would "pay" for flying in their airspace. They also just deleted a tweet that said they just got BUK missiles in their position with a picture of them. They have to be the number one suspects right now.
Jul 17 2014 3:28PM
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*spike*
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I posted that because I think the size of our military alone will prevent Putin, or whoever is behind this, to think twice about extreme actions....
Jul 17 2014 3:31PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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Tässä vaunussa on myös oma tutka. “@shpary: Anti-aircraft weapon "Buk" in Snizhne, Donetsk region today. #MH17 pic.twitter.com/LnjddcOoDZ”— Aki Salo (@akisalo) July 17, 2014
Jul 17 2014 3:32PM
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*spike*
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Extreme, meaning a ground invasion of Ukraine or war with the U.S.
Jul 17 2014 3:32PM
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Sno.
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JAHpowLawrence wasn't an the plane was he!?!?!


nah, he just posted in another thread.
Jul 17 2014 3:33PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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In other news, the Israelis just started a ground invasion of Gaza. Wow talk about a crazy fucking day in our world.
Jul 17 2014 3:33PM
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fujarome
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*spike*I posted that because I think the size of our military alone will prevent Putin, or whoever is behind this, to think twice about extreme actions....


*spike*Extreme, meaning a ground invasion of Ukraine or war with the U.S.


let us think this through

A Malaysian plane, flying from the Netherlands to Malaysia, was shot down over Ukraine, possibly by Ukrainians....so the end result is a war between Russia and the US?
Jul 17 2014 3:35PM
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*spike*
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Oh. My. Gosh.
Jul 17 2014 3:38PM
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louie.mirags
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WoldsWorldIn other news, the Israelis just started a ground invasion of Gaza. Wow talk about a crazy fucking day in our world.


Just the fact we're on a rock flying around the sun while a rock circles around us makes everyday pretty crazy
Jul 17 2014 3:38PM
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Sno.
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snobunnynah, he just posted in another thread.


nm, posted this before seeing that he posted in this thread.

Sorry to hear about your friend's dad.
Jul 17 2014 3:42PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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WTF ABC just tweeted this literally minutes ago - DEVELOPING: White House placed on lockdown; cause not yet known; reporters being told to stay in press area....
Jul 17 2014 3:58PM
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proZach
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WoldsWorldWTF ABC just tweeted this literally minutes ago - DEVELOPING: White House placed on lockdown; cause not yet known; reporters being told to stay in press area....



They updated: UPDATE: "Unattended package" on fence line of North Lawn at White House has forced lockdown
Jul 17 2014 4:05PM
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Bombogenesis
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WoldsWorldWTF ABC just tweeted this literally minutes ago - DEVELOPING: White House placed on lockdown; cause not yet known; reporters being told to stay in press area....



Lol someone left a box outside the gate, way away from the structure. chill
Jul 17 2014 4:06PM
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pat_in_the_hat
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WoldsWorldWTF ABC just tweeted this literally minutes ago - DEVELOPING: White House placed on lockdown; cause not yet known; reporters being told to stay in press area....


a mystery package http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-lockdown-due-unattended-package-n158716
Jul 17 2014 4:06PM
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Laurent.
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@Sno, he is in good hands right now, doesn't change the horrid situation but at least he can fall back on some very supportive close friends.



In other news, Lifenews.ru is showing some dreadfully inconsiderate images right now.

I cannot and will not post or link to them, you will have to go there yourself or on liveleak, apart from this one, perhaps even the most haunting shot knowing that all these passports represent people.

Jul 17 2014 4:13PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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US Intel has confirmed that the plane was indeed shot down by a missile but the suspect is not yet known. aka it was the pro-russian rebels.
Jul 17 2014 4:26PM
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GayWolf420
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omnidata@Sno, he is in good hands right now, doesn't change the horrid situation but at least he can fall back on some very supportive close friends.



In other news, Lifenews.ru is showing some dreadfully inconsiderate images right now.

I cannot and will not post or link to them, you will have to go there yourself or on liveleak, apart from this one, perhaps even the most haunting shot knowing that all these passports represent people.



so much chilling stuff, checked that news feed and it was nonstop shots of bodies and carnage. hard to stomach, turned it off right away. apparently some reporter tweeted out one of the passengers facebook posts before he boarded the flight with all the family/friends commenting on it.

this is a horrible event, has it been confirmed it was deliberate or an accident? because i have heard of errant missile stories taking airliners down.
Jul 17 2014 5:20PM
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deleted5
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WoldsWorldRT News, aka Russian propaganda machine is saying that the a missile from Ukrainian jet shot it down and that the missile was originally intended for Putin's plane which was supposedly in the same area as MH17. They said there flights crossed paths over Warsaw, Poland. The finger pointing is definitely getting out of hand.


yes I'm sure the President of Russia's plane was in close contact with another random plane in the sky. its not like they clear the air space by hundreds of miles for them.
Jul 17 2014 5:31PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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DeebieSkeebiesso much chilling stuff, checked that news feed and it was nonstop shots of bodies and carnage. hard to stomach, turned it off right away. apparently some reporter tweeted out one of the passengers facebook posts before he boarded the flight with all the family/friends commenting on it.

this is a horrible event, has it been confirmed it was deliberate or an accident? because i have heard of errant missile stories taking airliners down.


Pretty sure the pro-russian rebels shot it down thinking it was a Ukrainian plane. Theres a transcript the Ukrainian secret service intercepted of the rebels responsible talking about how they shot it down.
Jul 17 2014 5:31PM
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Jul 17 2014 5:38PM
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JAHpow
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WoldsWorldPretty sure the pro-russian rebels shot it down thinking it was a Ukrainian plane. Theres a transcript the Ukrainian secret service intercepted of the rebels responsible talking about how they shot it down.


I heard this too. Some rebel leader took a pic of himself next to the crash sight saying they got another one. Referring to it as an addition to the two planes that have been shot down earlier this week. It was posted on a Facebook style Ukrainian website but was taken down. I can't confirm this through.
Jul 17 2014 5:40PM
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GayWolf420
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WoldsWorldPretty sure the pro-russian rebels shot it down thinking it was a Ukrainian plane. Theres a transcript the Ukrainian secret service intercepted of the rebels responsible talking about how they shot it down.


just read that actually, last part of the transcript enrages me. fuckers are basically saying "eh, well, too fucking bad, don't fly in our skys"
Jul 17 2014 5:41PM
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integralmgmt
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It'll be interesting to see what happens if investigator or the US are able to determine the missile was given to the rebels by Russia. I definitely think that's the case. Most likely, the US will just increase sanctions against Russia, but the UN is actually going to enforce them this time.

Also, Putin is probably pissed, because he wanted the missiles to be used against the Ukraine and not start an even bigger crisis. Also, it's likely that the rebels were targeting a Ukrainian plane, as a leader posted on the Russian equivalent of Facebook that they shot down a military plane, which he deleted after they found out it was civilian.
Jul 17 2014 6:11PM
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straightlining
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Tony Abbott, the Australian PM, has now pointed the finger squarely at Russia and Russian Separatists.

There were between 23-27 Australian Citizens on board the flight, As there was a connecting flight from KL to Melbourne. Any other Australians on NS, who have concerns about friends or family, can Call a DFAT on 1300 555 135.
Jul 17 2014 9:09PM
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integralmgmt
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/world/europe/malaysian-airlines-plane-ukraine.html?_r=0


That's the best summary of everything so far.
Jul 17 2014 10:25PM
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John18_6
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*spike*I posted that because I think the size of our military alone will prevent Putin, or whoever is behind this, to think twice about extreme actions....


There's a little something called a Nuclear Weapon.

There's nothing preventing Putin from blowing the United States into dust with his 3,281 active nuclear warheads except for the knowledge that doing so would end life on Earth as we know it. Also terrorists don't fear our military because many are so devoted to their cause that they'll die for it. On top of that, they could easily go into hiding as a civilian and U.S. troops wouldn't know the difference.
Jul 18 2014 12:39AM
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Laurent.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/10975275/Leading-HIV-researchers-lost-as-flight-MH17-is-downed-in-Ukraine.html

108 delegates were aboard the flight, what an indescribable and terrible loss.
One of them, Joep Lange was the head of the Department of Global Health at my academic medical centre.
Jul 18 2014 4:19AM
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straightlining
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*DUMBCAN*This is at best speculation. The idea that a BUK M2 is based on the assumption that it was shot down by a surface to air missile (a distinct possibility), and experts say that the BUK M2 is the equipment most likely to be capable of shooting down a plane at FL330. I'm listening to the BBC right now who say it could be an 'SA11' system, that apparently the separatists could have.

There is yet to be any hard evidence that a missile shot down the plane, only speculation. Don't get me wrong though, the idea that the plane was shot down (accidentally or deliberately) is still firmly on the table.


A BUK SAM and a SA-11 is the same
Weapon systems. SA-11 'gadfly' is
The NATO reporting system for the weapon
Jul 18 2014 5:10AM
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*DUMBCAN*
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straightliningA BUK SAM and a SA-11 is the same
Weapon systems. SA-11 'gadfly' is
The NATO reporting system for the weapon


Yeah I just realised, but tbh I don't care much for weapons.

My dad is in a senior position in British defence (the kind where he hasn't actually told me his job) and he thinks the Ukrainians are lying when they say they don't have the missiles.
Jul 18 2014 5:31AM
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maximiliaan
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its pretty fucked up that people find this funny/exciting on the first page...
Jul 18 2014 6:31AM
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las.
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omnidatahttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/10975275/Leading-HIV-researchers-lost-as-flight-MH17-is-downed-in-Ukraine.html

108 delegates were aboard the flight, what an indescribable and terrible loss.
One of them, Joep Lange was the head of the Department of Global Health at my academic medical centre.


Devastating news. Ironically, Ukraine's HIV/Aids epidemic is one of the fastest growing in the world
Jul 18 2014 6:34AM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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*DUMBCAN*Yeah I just realised, but tbh I don't care much for weapons.

My dad is in a senior position in British defence (the kind where he hasn't actually told me his job) and he thinks the Ukrainians are lying when they say they don't have the missiles.


Im confused with this post. I haven't heard anything I've read, which is a lot, mention that they did this at all. In fact its a well known fact that Ukraine has these missiles and they don't deny it.
Jul 18 2014 6:35AM
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las.
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http://youtu.be/BbyZYgSXdyw
Jul 18 2014 6:58AM
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Wrenn
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Da_Buddha


What was that video called? I remember watching it a while ago and it was fucking hilarious
Jul 18 2014 7:13AM
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straightlining
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*DUMBCAN*Yeah I just realised, but tbh I don't care much for weapons.

My dad is in a senior position in British defence (the kind where he hasn't actually told me his job) and he thinks the Ukrainians are lying when they say they don't have the missiles.


I don't doubt that Ukraine has the missiles (they're listed as an operator on pretty much every source available)

BUT It's pretty unlikely these missiles were operated by Ukraine in the Dontesk region, and any properly trained operator should ascertain the difference between a civilian aircraft and a military one.

However the drunk thugs that seem to make up the seperatist groups would've just pressed fire ok the first aircraft they saw. It'd be like giving a
10 year old a Ferrari and telling him to drive it without any driving lessons. Fucking stupid move by Russia
Jul 18 2014 7:22AM
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WoldsWorldIm confused with this post. I haven't heard anything I've read, which is a lot, mention that they did this at all. In fact its a well known fact that Ukraine has these missiles and they don't deny it.


Some people are claiming that the rebels may have taken the missiles when they overrun a ukrainian base, the Ukrainians are denying they have the missiles because they don't want this to be the case.
Jul 18 2014 7:24AM
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seesawsaredeadlyWhat was that video called? I remember watching it a while ago and it was fucking hilarious


End of ze world
Jul 18 2014 7:54AM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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*DUMBCAN*Some people are claiming that the rebels may have taken the missiles when they overrun a ukrainian base, the Ukrainians are denying they have the missiles because they don't want this to be the case.


I think what you mean is that the Ukrainians are denying that the Russians took their surface-to-air missiles. Pretty sure they didn't say they don't have them though.
Jul 18 2014 8:39AM
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KravtZ
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With todays military technology...how easy would it be to just go and look at the course the missile took from where it took off to find the source of who took it down. There is no way the US military isn't spying on Russia/ Ukraine.
Jul 18 2014 8:58AM
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integralmgmt
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KravtZWith todays military technology...how easy would it be to just go and look at the course the missile took from where it took off to find the source of who took it down. There is no way the US military isn't spying on Russia/ Ukraine.


We are. This was just released on CNN.

"Now, a preliminary classified U.S. intelligence analysis has concluded that the missile that hit Flight 17 most likely was fired by pro-Russian separatists inside eastern Ukraine, according to a U.S. defense official with direct access to the latest information."
Jul 18 2014 9:00AM
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DERS.
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integralmgmtWe are. This was just released on CNN.

"Now, a preliminary classified U.S. intelligence analysis has concluded that the missile that hit Flight 17 most likely was fired by pro-Russian separatists inside eastern Ukraine, according to a U.S. defense official with direct access to the latest information."


way to go cia, you "most likely" are able to conclude something the internet suggested 20 hours ago.
Jul 18 2014 9:44AM
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louie.mirags
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DERS.way to go cia, you "most likely" are able to conclude something the internet suggested 20 hours ago.


The internet also concludes a bunch of horse shit. Have you not read half the post on this site before?
Jul 18 2014 9:47AM
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DERS.
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louie.miragsThe internet also concludes a bunch of horse shit. Have you not read half the post on this site before?


obviously but when there is substancial evidence you can build your own case. im not talking about an opinionated forum post, but geo-tagged videos of the BUK missile vehicle not far from the crash spot, the claims of the separatist groups, ect.
Jul 18 2014 9:52AM
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DERS.obviously but when there is substancial evidence you can build your own case. im not talking about an opinionated forum post, but geo-tagged videos of the BUK missile vehicle not far from the crash spot, the claims of the separatist groups, ect.


Better to get it right than get it out first if you ask me. There may be "evidence" that the internet spews out, but it is the internet. You take to take a lot of it with a grain of salt.
Jul 18 2014 10:01AM
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DERS.
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.MASSHOLE.Better to get it right than get it out first if you ask me. There may be "evidence" that the internet spews out, but it is the internet. You take to take a lot of it with a grain of salt.


i agree with you, thats why its stupid that they "most likely" can conclude. oh well not important, carry on with other updates.
Jul 18 2014 10:04AM
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