Should College Athletes Be Paid

theabortionatorLol. All the people in this thread are just butt hurt that college is expensive and they owe tons of $$$ for going. I mean what a sick compensation plan to get free travel to a game that will bring in shitloads of $ for the university. That's such a good deal. They don't even have to pay for their uniforms. They have it made.

I'm surprised anybody goes pro early. Big contracts are pretty lame compared to a free gym membership, free food, and getting put up in hotels when traveling to games.

LESS THAN 2% OF COLLEGIATE ATHLETES GO PRO IN THEIR CHOSEN SPORT

THE REST ARE THERE AND PLAYING THEIR GIVEN SPORT SO THEY CAN GET A SCHOLARSHIP TO ATTEND SCHOOL AND GET A DEGREE

QUIT ACTING LIKE COLLEGE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING AND DOESN'T HELP ANYONE JUST BECAUSE YOU FIGURED OUT IT WASN'T FOR YOU.


I agree that maybe the D1 football stars should get paid because they are getting beat to hell in the name of their school making money. The rest of the sports? Fuck no. If you played a sport in HS even you would probably understand more. Most college athletes worked their ass off in high school in order to get a scholarship so they could go to college somewhat paid for and get a degree so they can pursue their future. It is probably less than 1% of college athletes that enter college their freshman year expecting to go pro in their sport.

theabortionatorLol. All the people in this thread are just butt hurt that college is expensive and they owe tons of $$$ for going. I mean what a sick compensation plan to get free travel to a game that will bring in shitloads of $ for the university. That's such a good deal. They don't even have to pay for their uniforms. They have it made.

I'm surprised anybody goes pro early. Big contracts are pretty lame compared to a free gym membership, free food, and getting put up in hotels when traveling to games.

most professional sport leagues will not let you go pro, without one or two years of college sports.

Thizzle.LESS THAN 2% OF COLLEGIATE ATHLETES GO PRO IN THEIR CHOSEN SPORT

THE REST ARE THERE AND PLAYING THEIR GIVEN SPORT SO THEY CAN GET A SCHOLARSHIP TO ATTEND SCHOOL AND GET A DEGREE

QUIT ACTING LIKE COLLEGE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING AND DOESN'T HELP ANYONE JUST BECAUSE YOU FIGURED OUT IT WASN'T FOR YOU.


I agree that maybe the D1 football stars should get paid because they are getting beat to hell in the name of their school making money. The rest of the sports? Fuck no. If you played a sport in HS even you would probably understand more. Most college athletes worked their ass off in high school in order to get a scholarship so they could go to college somewhat paid for and get a degree so they can pursue their future. It is probably less than 1% of college athletes that enter college their freshman year expecting to go pro in their sport.

I understand that but the people that are going to be bringing in the $ if they get paid are those athletes. Somebody playing ultimate frisbee at some random school shouldn't really be worried about this convo as they won't be getting shit. I'm not arguing that all athletes should get paid, just that the ones that the schools are banking off of.

I played sports in HS but I wouldn't expect to be making anything in college. Honestly just arguing for those few that really deserve it.

zzzskizzzmost professional sport leagues will not let you go pro, without one or two years of college sports.

Which is fucking stupid. Oh you're one of the top athletes in your sport? Here go to school "for an education" for a year so you can blow out your knee and never go pro or make any $. That sounds fair.

Thizzle.LESS THAN 2% OF COLLEGIATE ATHLETES GO PRO IN THEIR CHOSEN SPORT

THE REST ARE THERE AND PLAYING THEIR GIVEN SPORT SO THEY CAN GET A SCHOLARSHIP TO ATTEND SCHOOL AND GET A DEGREE

QUIT ACTING LIKE COLLEGE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING AND DOESN'T HELP ANYONE JUST BECAUSE YOU FIGURED OUT IT WASN'T FOR YOU.


I agree that maybe the D1 football stars should get paid because they are getting beat to hell in the name of their school making money. The rest of the sports? Fuck no. If you played a sport in HS even you would probably understand more. Most college athletes worked their ass off in high school in order to get a scholarship so they could go to college somewhat paid for and get a degree so they can pursue their future. It is probably less than 1% of college athletes that enter college their freshman year expecting to go pro in their sport.

I understand that but the people that are going to be bringing in the $ if they get paid are those athletes. Somebody playing ultimate frisbee at some random school shouldn't really be worried about this convo as they won't be getting shit. I'm not arguing that all athletes should get paid, just that the ones that the schools are banking off of.

I played sports in HS but I wouldn't expect to be making anything in college. Honestly just arguing for those few that really deserve it.

zzzskizzzmost professional sport leagues will not let you go pro, without one or two years of college sports.

Which is fucking stupid. Oh you're one of the top athletes in your sport? Here go to school "for an education" for a year so you can blow out your knee and never go pro or make any $. That sounds fair.

theabortionatorI understand that but the people that are going to be bringing in the $ if they get paid are those athletes. Somebody playing ultimate frisbee at some random school shouldn't really be worried about this convo as they won't be getting shit. I'm not arguing that all athletes should get paid, just that the ones that the schools are banking off of.

This. Athletes who play on teams that generate massive amounts of revenue (football, basketball, baseball?, and hockey?) should be given an extremely small portion of the revenue. Obviously this would create further issues as schools like Alabama, A&M, Florida, Florida State, Auburn, etc. would become a further draw for the top players, but there is already talk of an FBS super-division anyway. Who knows what will happen

Why should they get paid? The school handing D1 athletes full rides along with tutors to do their homework isn't enough? Last time I checked, that alone is worth what some athletes make in the big times.

Plus they aren't amateur status anymore if they start making a living from it. If a D1 athlete wants to bitch about not getting paid, I'm sure the other athletes that he/she beat out for the spot would gladly step up and take a role on the team.

Whether colleges can afford to pay their athletes cash is a whole 'nother argument though.

.MASSHOLE.This. Athletes who play on teams that generate massive amounts of revenue (football, basketball, baseball?, and hockey?) should be given an extremely small portion of the revenue. Obviously this would create further issues as schools like Alabama, A&M, Florida, Florida State, Auburn, etc. would become a further draw for the top players, but there is already talk of an FBS super-division anyway. Who knows what will happen

Agreed. Between the hours spent in class and on the practice field, there is literally no time left for these kids to get jobs. Getting a free ride and room and board is definitely a nice deal, but it doesn't help them get home on off weeks, take a girl on a date, get a late night meal after the cafeteria closes, etc. I don't think anyone is arguing that they should be making millions here, but a little spending money each week shouldn't be out of the questions. The NCAA made over 840 million dollars in 2012 off of these kids.

DiabeetoWhy should they get paid? The school handing D1 athletes full rides along with tutors to do their homework isn't enough? Last time I checked, that alone is worth what some athletes make in the big times.

Plus they aren't amateur status anymore if they start making a living from it. If a D1 athlete wants to bitch about not getting paid, I'm sure the other athletes that he/she beat out for the spot would gladly step up and take a role on the team.

Whether colleges can afford to pay their athletes cash is a whole 'nother argument though.

Ppl on here usually don't know what they're talking about especially sports. Like u guys were born with "everyone is entitled to their opinion" preloaded in ur DNA.

There's a quantifiable monetary value for what each athlete generates and what they gain, in popular sports at big time programs these numbers are way off. The money already exists it's just going to the wrong people (old white guys).

This thread is pretty much the exact opposite of this same discussion amongst sports writers/knowledgeable fans/ppl who actually invest time in learning about subjects before spouting off about them...

Abortionater youre spot on, diabeeto youre fucking handicapped, im done arguing with the jealous fucks in this thread who are angry they had to pay for college. I played sports in college but the ivies dont do sports scholarships, just fin aid and we were too well off to qualify

DiabeetoWhy should they get paid? The school handing D1 athletes full rides along with tutors to do their homework isn't enough? Last time I checked, that alone is worth what some athletes make in the big times.

Plus they aren't amateur status anymore if they start making a living from it. If a D1 athlete wants to bitch about not getting paid, I'm sure the other athletes that he/she beat out for the spot would gladly step up and take a role on the team.

Whether colleges can afford to pay their athletes cash is a whole 'nother argument though.

Yeah man, that "education" is totally worth more than any money they could be making. Especially in physical sports where injuries are common and can be career enders. I'm super glad I didn't make any money and got this kind of sort of education. What a good value.

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Are you really that brilliant? Colleges go way out of their way to recruit some of these players but if they ask for money the colleges will just say "Nah we'll take the 100th best football player in the world because we don't want to pay athletes even a small portion of what they bring in". That will definitely happen.

The college experience you're seeking when you take out a loan and spend all your money =/= the situation for the top athletes in this discussion. Figure that out. It's pretty simple honestly.

Abortionator dont worry sbout diabeeto, hes scott malkinson and nobody wants to hang out with him because hes got jiz instead of brains for all the times hes sucked his father off

its over now, hope we can survive in the upcoming system

akimWhy or why not?

yes, these guys get a full ride scholarship but that scholarshipis worth around 200,000. this is pocket change for a years worth of pay to a nfl player

"I did a lot of research and I kept coming back to the same conclusion that none of this makes any sense.
The control over the athletes, the random and selective investigations of USC, Ohio State, and Miami . Then it dawned on me. It's not supposed to make sense. These are all just pieces in a giant illusion. The NCAA is a front.
That's it...

These silly rules and selective investigations serve two purposes: One, it allows them to maintain a monopoly over the billion-dollar industry that is college sports today; and two, it also allows them to maintain their non-profit status...

Once you get past the illusion, you're left with the only thing that matters to them-- their tax-free money.

So lets go over this one time, the NCAA as a whole reports over $700 million in revenue and has $300 million in unrestricted net assets, yet they're a non-profit organization who doesn't pay taxes on any of their money. Where does that money go if not in the pockets of the players who are on the field? Where does ALL that money go? And who gets to decide who's on the committee? Are there elections?

So what we are really left to wonder is what the FUCK is the NCAA, where do they get their authority from, and who are these freaking people?

In short they run college sports...they're in charge of the sports and decisions that get made about college sports...The NCAA is...well theyre the NCAA.........."

Top tier college football coaches make millions of dollars. Entire departments (academic), performing art centers, and residence halls are built on the back of high level athletics. We're talking about tv contracts, bowl game pay outs, MERCHANDISE, and even individual players likenesses and jerseys are sold at crazy profits. Explain to me how it's somehow immoral or illegal for Johnny Manziel to sell his autograph? What a fucking joke.

And this dumbass argument about these kids getting "free education" and how they're able to find good jobs.....no, they're not. A white kid from UPenn who played guard? Sure. He probably got a 1450 (old scale) on his SATs and comes from a rock solid nuclear family with nothing but opportunities in front of him. He could've been a glee club or chess club member and landed in the exact same position.

Some CB from Dade County with an accent so thick you and I can't understand him, who was basically admitted into the school on a flimsy technicality, who is told to major in "sports science" or whatever the fuck who is lucky enough to graduate is still going to be a kid from section 8 housing when he leaves college. He isn't going to be any more prepared to function in the real world, but he just might have picked up a lifetime addiction to painpills, or maybe will struggle with post concussive issues. Either way, the point is, he was used as a body for 4-5 years, sucked dry, and unless he is in the top .01%, he will never make a dollar playing that game.

If universities are going to sell a jersey with some kid's number on the back, he should see a cut. If you're university is going to accept millions to broadcast games on a network, why can't a portion of those funds go to a trust for former collegiate athletes who might have lifelong health issues as a result of their career. The NCAA is absolutely fucking broken, and it needs to be addressed. I don't claim to know exactly how student athletes should be compensated, but the fact that they need to be is a no-brainer.

Do people even think about how expensive college actually is? I'm not talking about tuition. I'm talking about fucking food, housing, clothing, books, entertainment, visits home, etc. I almost guarantee that the vast majority of the people on this site who went to school had huge financial backing from their parents. Well, imagine if they didn't or weren't capable of pitching in a single dollar. You are either in class, on a bus, in a hotel, on a practice field, or in a weight room. So....when are you going to work? And let's be real, how many people could honestly balance a real degree program, the equivalent of the workload of a professional athlete, and yet find time to work enough to earn enough money to support themselves?

For a lot of those kids, college sports is basically a crapshoot. It either pans out into a professional career or it doesn't. And, if it doesn't, about the best you can hope for is a job as a trainer or running a gym or something. I know all-americans and am friends with a guy who caught a td in the superbowl. I've heard this conversation and arguments from everyone from current and former players, grad assistants, coaches, and head coaches of big schools, and basically everyone agrees that these kids need to be looked after better somehow someway. If school's are making big money on the backs of KIDS sacrificing their bodies, how could anyone with a straight face suggest they don't deserve a piece of the pie? Again, I don't know that "contracts" or straight up pay to play is the answer, but maybe a reasonable living stipend, not the insulting peanuts most of these kids get now. Scratch that, very few get a dime, and those that get anything, it's not even close to sufficient.

System is fucked and it blows my mind that so many of you think they should "just play their sport and shutup". College football is maybe the most popular sport in the country and is about as lucrative as it gets. The ONLY principal party involved who doesn't make a cent is the player on the field. How could anyone think that's fine? Change the particulars, I mean of college athletics and draw an example in any other aspect of life. Where else in modern civilization is the producer unilaterally frozen out of reaping any of the profits generated on their work? Would you be for that?

The notion that college athletics is pure and "different" is a nice thought and 50 years ago, it was probably true. TImes have changed, and college sports (let's be real. Football and men's basketball) are commodities, and are 100% for profit enterprises. You can't have it both ways and tsk tsk about the glory of amateur sports and the love of the game when it comes to the players, and then sit back and count your stacks of cash as a coach or AD.

thedawg"I did a lot of research and I kept coming back to the same conclusion that none of this makes any sense.
The control over the athletes, the random and selective investigations of USC, Ohio State, and Miami . Then it dawned on me. It's not supposed to make sense. These are all just pieces in a giant illusion. The NCAA is a front.
That's it...

These silly rules and selective investigations serve two purposes: One, it allows them to maintain a monopoly over the billion-dollar industry that is college sports today; and two, it also allows them to maintain their non-profit status...

Once you get past the illusion, you're left with the only thing that matters to them-- their tax-free money.

So lets go over this one time, the NCAA as a whole reports over $700 million in revenue and has $300 million in unrestricted net assets, yet they're a non-profit organization who doesn't pay taxes on any of their money. Where does that money go if not in the pockets of the players who are on the field? Where does ALL that money go? And who gets to decide who's on the committee? Are there elections?

So what we are really left to wonder is what the FUCK is the NCAA, where do they get their authority from, and who are these freaking people?

In short they run college sports...they're in charge of the sports and decisions that get made about college sports...The NCAA is...well theyre the NCAA.........."

Boom. Exactly spot on. What about the fact that many of these big sport schools are state schools who get tax dollars and subsidies from the state? Talk about getting paid on both sides.

casualTop tier college football coaches make millions of dollars. Entire departments (academic), performing art centers, and residence halls are built on the back of high level athletics. We're talking about tv contracts, bowl game pay outs, MERCHANDISE, and even individual players likenesses and jerseys are sold at crazy profits. Explain to me how it's somehow immoral or illegal for Johnny Manziel to sell his autograph? What a fucking joke.

And this dumbass argument about these kids getting "free education" and how they're able to find good jobs.....no, they're not. A white kid from UPenn who played guard? Sure. He probably got a 1450 (old scale) on his SATs and comes from a rock solid nuclear family with nothing but opportunities in front of him. He could've been a glee club or chess club member and landed in the exact same position.

Some CB from Dade County with an accent so thick you and I can't understand him, who was basically admitted into the school on a flimsy technicality, who is told to major in "sports science" or whatever the fuck who is lucky enough to graduate is still going to be a kid from section 8 housing when he leaves college. He isn't going to be any more prepared to function in the real world, but he just might have picked up a lifetime addiction to painpills, or maybe will struggle with post concussive issues. Either way, the point is, he was used as a body for 4-5 years, sucked dry, and unless he is in the top .01%, he will never make a dollar playing that game.

If universities are going to sell a jersey with some kid's number on the back, he should see a cut. If you're university is going to accept millions to broadcast games on a network, why can't a portion of those funds go to a trust for former collegiate athletes who might have lifelong health issues as a result of their career. The NCAA is absolutely fucking broken, and it needs to be addressed. I don't claim to know exactly how student athletes should be compensated, but the fact that they need to be is a no-brainer.

Do people even think about how expensive college actually is? I'm not talking about tuition. I'm talking about fucking food, housing, clothing, books, entertainment, visits home, etc. I almost guarantee that the vast majority of the people on this site who went to school had huge financial backing from their parents. Well, imagine if they didn't or weren't capable of pitching in a single dollar. You are either in class, on a bus, in a hotel, on a practice field, or in a weight room. So....when are you going to work? And let's be real, how many people could honestly balance a real degree program, the equivalent of the workload of a professional athlete, and yet find time to work enough to earn enough money to support themselves?

For a lot of those kids, college sports is basically a crapshoot. It either pans out into a professional career or it doesn't. And, if it doesn't, about the best you can hope for is a job as a trainer or running a gym or something. I know all-americans and am friends with a guy who caught a td in the superbowl. I've heard this conversation and arguments from everyone from current and former players, grad assistants, coaches, and head coaches of big schools, and basically everyone agrees that these kids need to be looked after better somehow someway. If school's are making big money on the backs of KIDS sacrificing their bodies, how could anyone with a straight face suggest they don't deserve a piece of the pie? Again, I don't know that "contracts" or straight up pay to play is the answer, but maybe a reasonable living stipend, not the insulting peanuts most of these kids get now. Scratch that, very few get a dime, and those that get anything, it's not even close to sufficient.

System is fucked and it blows my mind that so many of you think they should "just play their sport and shutup". College football is maybe the most popular sport in the country and is about as lucrative as it gets. The ONLY principal party involved who doesn't make a cent is the player on the field. How could anyone think that's fine? Change the particulars, I mean of college athletics and draw an example in any other aspect of life. Where else in modern civilization is the producer unilaterally frozen out of reaping any of the profits generated on their work? Would you be for that?

The notion that college athletics is pure and "different" is a nice thought and 50 years ago, it was probably true. TImes have changed, and college sports (let's be real. Football and men's basketball) are commodities, and are 100% for profit enterprises. You can't have it both ways and tsk tsk about the glory of amateur sports and the love of the game when it comes to the players, and then sit back and count your stacks of cash as a coach or AD.

/thread

holy shit, OP, write your own paper.

Casual got it. Like i said before, is it fair that those who make the cut in the nfl make millions, and those that were almost as good make jack cocksucking fucking shit? Think about it. Im pissed my parents had to pay full tuition too, but then again my sport didnt run billions worth in revenue

hey-dude-its-meits over now, hope we can survive in the upcoming system

casualTop tier college football coaches make millions of dollars. Entire departments (academic), performing art centers, and residence halls are built on the back of high level athletics. We're talking about tv contracts, bowl game pay outs, MERCHANDISE, and even individual players likenesses and jerseys are sold at crazy profits. Explain to me how it's somehow immoral or illegal for Johnny Manziel to sell his autograph? What a fucking joke.

And this dumbass argument about these kids getting "free education" and how they're able to find good jobs.....no, they're not. A white kid from UPenn who played guard? Sure. He probably got a 1450 (old scale) on his SATs and comes from a rock solid nuclear family with nothing but opportunities in front of him. He could've been a glee club or chess club member and landed in the exact same position.

Some CB from Dade County with an accent so thick you and I can't understand him, who was basically admitted into the school on a flimsy technicality, who is told to major in "sports science" or whatever the fuck who is lucky enough to graduate is still going to be a kid from section 8 housing when he leaves college. He isn't going to be any more prepared to function in the real world, but he just might have picked up a lifetime addiction to painpills, or maybe will struggle with post concussive issues. Either way, the point is, he was used as a body for 4-5 years, sucked dry, and unless he is in the top .01%, he will never make a dollar playing that game.

If universities are going to sell a jersey with some kid's number on the back, he should see a cut. If you're university is going to accept millions to broadcast games on a network, why can't a portion of those funds go to a trust for former collegiate athletes who might have lifelong health issues as a result of their career. The NCAA is absolutely fucking broken, and it needs to be addressed. I don't claim to know exactly how student athletes should be compensated, but the fact that they need to be is a no-brainer.

Do people even think about how expensive college actually is? I'm not talking about tuition. I'm talking about fucking food, housing, clothing, books, entertainment, visits home, etc. I almost guarantee that the vast majority of the people on this site who went to school had huge financial backing from their parents. Well, imagine if they didn't or weren't capable of pitching in a single dollar. You are either in class, on a bus, in a hotel, on a practice field, or in a weight room. So....when are you going to work? And let's be real, how many people could honestly balance a real degree program, the equivalent of the workload of a professional athlete, and yet find time to work enough to earn enough money to support themselves?

For a lot of those kids, college sports is basically a crapshoot. It either pans out into a professional career or it doesn't. And, if it doesn't, about the best you can hope for is a job as a trainer or running a gym or something. I know all-americans and am friends with a guy who caught a td in the superbowl. I've heard this conversation and arguments from everyone from current and former players, grad assistants, coaches, and head coaches of big schools, and basically everyone agrees that these kids need to be looked after better somehow someway. If school's are making big money on the backs of KIDS sacrificing their bodies, how could anyone with a straight face suggest they don't deserve a piece of the pie? Again, I don't know that "contracts" or straight up pay to play is the answer, but maybe a reasonable living stipend, not the insulting peanuts most of these kids get now. Scratch that, very few get a dime, and those that get anything, it's not even close to sufficient.

System is fucked and it blows my mind that so many of you think they should "just play their sport and shutup". College football is maybe the most popular sport in the country and is about as lucrative as it gets. The ONLY principal party involved who doesn't make a cent is the player on the field. How could anyone think that's fine? Change the particulars, I mean of college athletics and draw an example in any other aspect of life. Where else in modern civilization is the producer unilaterally frozen out of reaping any of the profits generated on their work? Would you be for that?

The notion that college athletics is pure and "different" is a nice thought and 50 years ago, it was probably true. TImes have changed, and college sports (let's be real. Football and men's basketball) are commodities, and are 100% for profit enterprises. You can't have it both ways and tsk tsk about the glory of amateur sports and the love of the game when it comes to the players, and then sit back and count your stacks of cash as a coach or AD.

yeah, come to think about it, honestly every college kids going to bust some major ass in this time period, and really if some kids getting a full ride, it doesnt really effect me. as long as i still get my degree in time, who the fuck am i to rip on them? just reminded myself, while noticing a lot of you are forgetting the fact these dudes actually do have to put pen-to-paper in class, and they can't just sit back and play ball like a lot of us were assuming. this is a good post, completely changed my stance on it, honestly.

show me a winning program and ill show you a program that pays athletes and cheats, that is kind of just an unwritten rule. many rogue boosters already pay college athletes "contracts" and many winning programs pay athletes and the payments the athletes receive are never found out till years after championships are won, or ever for that matter. there is a reason it is called a rogue booster

Thank jebus for some good posts now that this thread got bumped. I was getting tired of seeing a bunch of ignorant or stupidly jealous college kids saying "errrr mah gerrd they like get a full scholarship and I have student loans and that's like not fair so they don't deserve anything more because like I have student loans"

Get over your shit people. If you work during college they should label you as an "amateur" and take away your pay. You still don't get a scholarship though because monetarily you're worthless.

People on here bitch because the prizes sucked at a rail jam they went to, I can't even imagine if you guys were in these kids shoes. A rail jam were all the shit is donated just to hook kids up, and the kids aren't bringing in any real revenue. But somebody is worth millions and get's $0 and isn't allowed to take anything for risk of getting banhammered and that's totally cool because they get a free "education" and probably get a sweet tshirt to remember their college days.

theabortionatorThank jebus for some good posts now that this thread got bumped. I was getting tired of seeing a bunch of ignorant or stupidly jealous college kids saying "errrr mah gerrd they like get a full scholarship and I have student loans and that's like not fair so they don't deserve anything more because like I have student loans"

Get over your shit people. If you work during college they should label you as an "amateur" and take away your pay. You still don't get a scholarship though because monetarily you're worthless.

People on here bitch because the prizes sucked at a rail jam they went to, I can't even imagine if you guys were in these kids shoes. A rail jam were all the shit is donated just to hook kids up, and the kids aren't bringing in any real revenue. But somebody is worth millions and get's $0 and isn't allowed to take anything for risk of getting banhammered and that's totally cool because they get a free "education" and probably get a sweet tshirt to remember their college days.

yes yes yes. All i see in this thread is a bunch of douches who know nothing about the subject posting against college athletes just because they got a scholarship and you didn't. Some people in here need to get off their high horse and realize how shitty a situation college athletes are actually in. Sure they get their college paid for and food and housing, but the fact is is that when somebody creates revenue and sees none of the profits that is not fair. For example just like If i invented a cure for aids while working for pfizer and they made billions from selling said pill but I got fired the next year because i was under a 4 year contract and never saw any money from my creation I would be PISSED OFF. The same goes for college athletes who generate money for their institution but all of what the college sells under their name, under their skill sets, and people going to games to see that player all goes to the head coach and college executives. It is the perfect, most profit driven business model, but the average joe doesnt even give a second thought about it out of jealousy. That is absurd.

One of the best examples mentioned earlier is the NCAA basketball, football, and hockey video games. The College owns the rights to the players name when they play for the school. So when ea sports comes knocking to make a simulation of the team and put players names on the jerseys in the game it is the college that makes all the money from the video game. I saw a very powerful documentary where a guy who worked as a manager at mcdonalds or some other two bit job sat down on his couch was playing NCAA basketball for the camera. He told the producer that he was the player in the game which generated obscene amounts of money, but the contract that he had signed when he first started playing basketball for his college basically gave up any rights he had to recieve money for his trademark. And the saddest part is that college students are put in this situation all the time because they don't have a lawyer and they will not go to college UNLESS they sign away all the commissions they should be receiving.

People who say that this is only for college stars are flat wrong as well because every player on the team of every major school is involved in these video games, they all sell jerseys, and they all sell tickets. I believe that every player who generates any sort of revenue should recieve a piece of the pie for obvious reasons. A college education is NOT compensation because most of the times the players dont do any school work, instead they are treated like super starts and put into easy classes they dont have to do homework for so that the SCHOOL can make them practice to make them more money. They are given girls and fame but no money, and even that is so long as they are uninjured.

College athletes know, or should know, they will be generating income for their school. They should not get paid for it. They DO get massive scholarships, they SHOULD be using those scholarships to get an education that will land them a job. They should KNOW that only a slim percentage of people go pro and shouldn't hope they are one of them. There are countless examples of college athletes getting "gifted" cars and all sorts of other toys. They get insane amounts of apparel. No fucking way they should get paid. Coaching is a JOB, playing a sport isn't until you get to the semi-professional/professional level. Thats why coaches get paid and athletes don't.

You are insane if you think these athletes should get a source of income for playing a sport on the collegiate level.

i think schools giving scholarships to athletes is enough. but the companies like ea, nike, ua, adidas, espn, etc that make huge profits off of them should kick something back. how much, I'm not sure, but companies making huge financial gains off of non paid talent isn't right.

So college athletes should get paid but kids at say MIT, who discover something new, or create a revolutionizing product, or whatever that also bring in publicity and $$$ to the school shouldn't? I'm game for people getting paid for physicality if the intellectuals that actually contribute something to society get paid too.

Granite_StateSo college athletes should get paid but kids at say MIT, who discover something new, or create a revolutionizing product, or whatever that also bring in publicity and $$$ to the school shouldn't? I'm game for people getting paid for physicality if the intellectuals that actually contribute something to society get paid too.

Different on so many levels. Poor comparison there. The students who make these discoveries are using school resources and most do not generate anywhere NEAR the revenue the athletes do. And most importantly, they are not sacrificing their health to the same extent some of these athletes are.

Additionally, these discoveries will benefit them later in life. They can put it on a resume, CV, whatever they like. They can get recommendations in similar fields, work as a professor, gain a Ph. D, the list goes on. If you are an athlete, your contribution is limited to on-field performances. For most of these CFB and CBB athletes, once college is over, their sports career is over. Sure, they can put it on a resume, but it does not have the same effect as a scientific discovery.

i hate that anyone gets paid for playing a sport. It should just be out of pure love for the sport, and not for the money.

.MASSHOLE.Different on so many levels. Poor comparison there. The students who make these discoveries are using school resources and most do not generate anywhere NEAR the revenue the athletes do. And most importantly, they are not sacrificing their health to the same extent some of these athletes are.

Additionally, these discoveries will benefit them later in life. They can put it on a resume, CV, whatever they like. They can get recommendations in similar fields, work as a professor, gain a Ph. D, the list goes on. If you are an athlete, your contribution is limited to on-field performances. For most of these CFB and CBB athletes, once college is over, their sports career is over. Sure, they can put it on a resume, but it does not have the same effect as a scientific discovery.

I would contend that athletes are also using school resources to achieve the performances that they have. And though it may not be equal in revenue, revenue is revenue. Furthermore athletes should know the potential health risks they are taking on by playing a sport, especially a contact one. It's like a race car driver knowing there is a chance he will get in an accident and could be injured or die. And yes, both can be used on a resume, but I think you are underestimating how impressive playing a D1 college sport looks on a resume as well. It shows commitment, teamwork, dedication, hardwork etc. I just think a lot of the posts in this thread are making excuses for these athletes. They know the risks, or should, and if they don't that's on them

Granite_StateI would contend that athletes are also using school resources to achieve the performances that they have. And though it may not be equal in revenue, revenue is revenue. Furthermore athletes should know the potential health risks they are taking on by playing a sport, especially a contact one. It's like a race car driver knowing there is a chance he will get in an accident and could be injured or die. And yes, both can be used on a resume, but I think you are underestimating how impressive playing a D1 college sport looks on a resume as well. It shows commitment, teamwork, dedication, hardwork etc. I just think a lot of the posts in this thread are making excuses for these athletes. They know the risks, or should, and if they don't that's on them

I had a feeling you would bring up both using school resources.

The difference is the ROI. Athletes generated hundreds of millions in revenue. A great scientific discovery may generate half that if lucky.

These kids may know the risks, but this also may be the only way they are able to get an education. Many of these kids are willing to risk their most important asset, their body, just to have this education.

Anyway, I don't think you and I will agree on the difference, but that is my stance.

.MASSHOLE.I had a feeling you would bring up both using school resources.

The difference is the ROI. Athletes generated hundreds of millions in revenue. A great scientific discovery may generate half that if lucky.

These kids may know the risks, but this also may be the only way they are able to get an education. Many of these kids are willing to risk their most important asset, their body, just to have this education.

Anyway, I don't think you and I will agree on the difference, but that is my stance.

I agree, we will probably never agree, this seems to be a divided issue.

I'll just say this, not everyone gets to go to college. That's life, it's not fair. If this is the only way some people get to go to school, that's only a positive aspect. They don't have to play, they don't have to take the abuse, and they don't have to go to college. It's a conscious decision they have to make and they know what the potential outcomes are.

Shit I almost couldn't attend my junior year (this year)because I couldn't get a student loan with my mother (fortunately my father will be able to cosign one for me, I'm still waiting). I would kill to have the opportunities these kids have, and asking for MORE MONEY, on top of what a full scholarship would give me, just seems greedy and ridiculous to me. Even knowing I'm making the school money, even knowing my body may get broken, that's part of the deal. I'm getting a FREE education from a D1 school.

Life has risks and trade offs. You have to make decisions and weigh your options. And most importantly, life isn't fair. Some people can afford school,some are smart enough to get an education for free, and some are physically gifted enough to get an education for free. There are trade offs with every single one of those scenarios. The sad fact is even more kids can't go to college because of money or genetics or where they were brought up. Take what you're given and don't complain.

if a student made some sort of big scientific discovery or great computer application and it is profitable what is to stop them from bringing it to the market themselves? its not like just because it was developed at the school means it is the schools property.

athletes on the other hand can put in a great performance yet still not get a shot at the pros. and their athletic career basically belongs to the school.

i agree, those two things are not really comparable.

b-kulif a student made some sort of big scientific discovery or great computer application and it is profitable what is to stop them from bringing it to the market themselves? its not like just because it was developed at the school means it is the schools property.

Actually you are wrong, it is the schools property in most cases. If an invention is marketed the school will receive just compensation. You use their shit, they own whatever you make. Pretty simple and comparable. If they bring it to the market place without the schools consent the school may choose to file a lawsuit against the student.

"Colleges and universities own the ideas and technologies invented by the people who work for them, including professors and graduate students who are paid to do research. Most universities also own inventions created by students using a significant amount of their resources, even if the inventors are undergraduates like Mr. Zummo and Mr. Naples, both 21."

cited NY Times

Granite_StateActually you are wrong, it is the schools property in most cases. If an invention is marketed the school will receive just compensation. You use their shit, they own whatever you make. Pretty simple and comparable. If they bring it to the market place without the schools consent the school may choose to file a lawsuit against the student.

"Colleges and universities own the ideas and technologies invented by the people who work for them, including professors and graduate students who are paid to do research. Most universities also own inventions created by students using a significant amount of their resources, even if the inventors are undergraduates like Mr. Zummo and Mr. Naples, both 21."

cited NY Times

please provide a detailed annotated bibliography with your claims, and cite the sources that you used APA style.

granite state is consistently one of the dumbest people on here. the kind of dumb where they dont even realize their limitations

hey-dude-its-megranite state is consistently one of the dumbest people on here. the kind of dumb where they dont even realize their limitations

Word homie. You aren't too bright yourself.

hey-dude-its-megranite state is consistently one of the dumbest people on here. the kind of dumb where they dont even realize their limitations

Also when you type "ur" instead of your or you're you sound like a fucking chode. Just letting you know, bro.

Granite_StateActually you are wrong, it is the schools property in most cases. If an invention is marketed the school will receive just compensation. You use their shit, they own whatever you make. Pretty simple and comparable. If they bring it to the market place without the schools consent the school may choose to file a lawsuit against the student.

"Colleges and universities own the ideas and technologies invented by the people who work for them, including professors and graduate students who are paid to do research. Most universities also own inventions created by students using a significant amount of their resources, even if the inventors are undergraduates like Mr. Zummo and Mr. Naples, both 21."

cited NY Times

didn't realize that. what about things like Facebook and napster though?

clearly none of you ppl have watched The U, Pony Excess, The Fab Five, ect. most top players already get paychecks from rogue boosters.

was thinking the other day,... i wonder if you divided someones full ride into a per-hour earnings... how much would they be "getting paid" per hour for practice, games, other team stuff?


I'm sure someone did the math before

Lucky.clearly none of you ppl have watched The U, Pony Excess, The Fab Five, ect. most top players already get paychecks from rogue boosters.

Look at what you said there. Then come back and try again.

.MASSHOLE.Look at what you said there. Then come back and try again.

shut the fuck up, you do not even know what The U is or Pony Excess, and furthermore you have no clue what a rogue booster is. get the fuck outta here kid

b-kuldidn't realize that. what about things like Facebook and napster though?

I don't think those were actually associated with the schools. Like Mark Zuckerberg wasn't working with Harvard to develop Facebook, he did that on his own time. I think Napster is kinda the same deal.

Lucky.shut the fuck up, you do not even know what The U is or Pony Excess, and furthermore you have no clue what a rogue booster is. get the fuck outta here kid

The University of Miami? The drug, sex, and pay for play scandal that stripped them of national titles? Second worst scandal in NCAA CFB history behind SMU or the Pony Express as it nicknamed? Sure. I don't know what that is.

What you FAIL to realize is that rogue boosters only pay the top fucking players, not the entire team. This new format will pay the ENTIRE team.

So GTFO out of here. Go make some more shirts.

.MASSHOLE.The University of Miami? The drug, sex, and pay for play scandal that stripped them of national titles? Second worst scandal in NCAA CFB history behind SMU or the Pony Express as it nicknamed? Sure. I don't know what that is.

What you FAIL to realize is that rogue boosters only pay the top fucking players, not the entire team. This new format will pay the ENTIRE team.

So GTFO out of here. Go make some more shirts.

yeah this is why you never go full retard, you obviously do not know what i am talking about so you googles some bullshit. FYI The U was never stripped of any national titles, JACKASS.

Granite_StateCollege athletes know, or should know, they will be generating income for their school. They should not get paid for it. They DO get massive scholarships, they SHOULD be using those scholarships to get an education that will land them a job. They should KNOW that only a slim percentage of people go pro and shouldn't hope they are one of them. There are countless examples of college athletes getting "gifted" cars and all sorts of other toys. They get insane amounts of apparel. No fucking way they should get paid. Coaching is a JOB, playing a sport isn't until you get to the semi-professional/professional level. Thats why coaches get paid and athletes don't.

You are insane if you think these athletes should get a source of income for playing a sport on the collegiate level.

Jesus christ. Will all you jealous noobs just stop? They should be using these scholarships to get and education that will land them a good job? Do you understand what the schedule is like for some of these athletes? Also the fact that it's fucking irrelevant to their skill. If you make an edit and I steal it and sell it for millions and give you nothing but a season pass to my mountain and some free food you'd be pissed. But you got a free season pass, editing is a hobby not a job, you don't deserve anything more. Lots of people have to pay for their food and season passes and I'm giving you one for free so you should be thankful.


Pretty much what you're saying.


It's fucking insane how people can't wrap their heads around this. Goes to show why things are so slow to change in life. If things have always been one way, regardless of any reason, people feel that they should stay that way for ever just because.

Get your heads out of your asses.

/needed a good rant and people are going full retard in this thread.

YOLO

Granite_StateI would contend that athletes are also using school resources to achieve the performances that they have. And though it may not be equal in revenue, revenue is revenue. Furthermore athletes should know the potential health risks they are taking on by playing a sport, especially a contact one. It's like a race car driver knowing there is a chance he will get in an accident and could be injured or die. And yes, both can be used on a resume, but I think you are underestimating how impressive playing a D1 college sport looks on a resume as well. It shows commitment, teamwork, dedication, hardwork etc. I just think a lot of the posts in this thread are making excuses for these athletes. They know the risks, or should, and if they don't that's on them

For some sports you HAVE to play college to get into the pros. It has nothing to do with getting a college education. The sport is unrelated to college and they want to play the sport, college is just the next level of that sport.

Granite_StateI agree, we will probably never agree, this seems to be a divided issue.

I'll just say this, not everyone gets to go to college. That's life, it's not fair. If this is the only way some people get to go to school, that's only a positive aspect. They don't have to play, they don't have to take the abuse, and they don't have to go to college. It's a conscious decision they have to make and they know what the potential outcomes are.

Shit I almost couldn't attend my junior year (this year)because I couldn't get a student loan with my mother (fortunately my father will be able to cosign one for me, I'm still waiting). I would kill to have the opportunities these kids have, and asking for MORE MONEY, on top of what a full scholarship would give me, just seems greedy and ridiculous to me. Even knowing I'm making the school money, even knowing my body may get broken, that's part of the deal. I'm getting a FREE education from a D1 school.

Life has risks and trade offs. You have to make decisions and weigh your options. And most importantly, life isn't fair. Some people can afford school,some are smart enough to get an education for free, and some are physically gifted enough to get an education for free. There are trade offs with every single one of those scenarios. The sad fact is even more kids can't go to college because of money or genetics or where they were brought up. Take what you're given and don't complain.

This isn't a "well you're just on the other side of the argument" type deal. You're being a butthurt child because you couldn't get a loan to go to school and you're jealous as fuck that other people get to go to school for free.

You're jealously is making it impossible for you to bust out even a tiny drop of logic. It's insane how far out there you are.

Read your post "If I was there I'd be so happy and they're all greedy fucks". You don't have their skills, their skills are irrelevant to college other than college being the venue for them to play at before the pros. They're generating stupid amounts of money, they have skills you don't and they're getting fucked.

It's sick to play for a few years of college, waste your skills as an athlete for $0 then blow out your knee and never make the pros. But oh wait, you have a bullshit college education. Also good luck keeping your scholarship if you can't play.

You close with the "life isn't fair" argument? While that's 100% true that's the dumbest bunch of shit when used to justify things. Life isn't fair, but that's not an excuse for that. If somebody stole your car and drove it off a bridge you wouldn't be stoked if your insurance company said "Sorry bro, life isn't fair. Better luck next time".

You keep acting is though education is these peoples primary goal because it's YOUR goal. If you could learn to put yourself in other peoples shoes and get some perspective you'd be so much better off.

I was totally feeling like dropping some rants today and your totally ignorant/jealous posts were the perfect spot for it.



TLDR, ERRRMAGEERRRD can I haz free education


yOLO

no, they shouldn't.

hey-dude-its-megranite state is consistently one of the dumbest people on here. the kind of dumb where they dont even realize their limitations

^This

Granite_StateWord homie. You aren't too bright yourself.

Granite_StateAlso when you type "ur" instead of your or you're you sound like a fucking chode. Just letting you know, bro.

Lucky.clearly none of you ppl have watched The U, Pony Excess, The Fab Five, ect. most top players already get paychecks from rogue boosters.

That's against ncaa rules and the player can fuck themselves by taking them. Just because some of them are getting some form of compensation does not mean it's through the proper channels or even fitting for their worth in terms of the business. Also that doesn't apply to all the players even if they have a decent economic value. And if the NCAA is raking in bank that doesn't mean they shouldn't still have to compensate players regardless of any private donations being made.

Granite_StateI don't think those were actually associated with the schools. Like Mark Zuckerberg wasn't working with Harvard to develop Facebook, he did that on his own time. I think Napster is kinda the same deal.

Triple post.
Also when you type "kinda" instead of kind of you sound like a fucking chode. Just letting you know, bro.

Lucky.yeah this is why you never go full retard, you obviously do not know what i am talking about so you googles some bullshit. FYI The U was never stripped of any national titles, JACKASS.

Or it is why you don't go on newschoolers after a few drinks.

But my point stands the same about the rogue booster payments =/= the current situation. So, as I said, go back and make some shitty shirts.