Using Elliot Rogers manifesto as a related text???

If he went on a rant about girls stupid facebook posts i might have felt some empathy towards him

No, stop giving that fucker any sort of publicity.

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It's for an english essay for belonging.

The main reasons I want to use it, is because this is the last year the Board Of Studies is doing belonging for english and they have close to 70,000 students sitting the english exam every year. And I think not many people would use his manifesto as a related text as not one person who I have talked to has even known he wrote one.

TOAST.No, stop giving that fucker any sort of publicity.

This isn't about glorifying or justifying what he did. This is about whether or not it's morally incorrect to use such work. Sort of like using Hitlers Mein Kumpf for an essay.

That manifesto reads like a poorly-written Brett Easton Ellis fanfiction albeit with considerably less sex.

Just don't, don't be that guy.

Seriously.

Don't.

Who is Elliot Rodgers?

Could be interesting if you make some sort of good well written argument. But since you probably won't be doing that, I'd suggest against it. There isn't much to be looked into here, the guy was just a failure and fucked in the head.

at least they gave him an awesome nick name: "the virgin killer".

Watching his video made me want to punch him until he was dead.

TOAST.No, stop giving that fucker any sort of publicity.

This. He was totally a virgin anyways. What did he even know about life?

Dont do it

skeazlaurenIt's for an english essay for belonging.

The main reasons I want to use it, is because this is the last year the Board Of Studies is doing belonging for english and they have close to 70,000 students sitting the english exam every year. And I think not many people would use his manifesto as a related text as not one person who I have talked to has even known he wrote one.

If it's about belonging, don't. The central theme of his manifesto is his thinly veiled misogyny. The only thing I'd consider using it for would be a Women's Studies or Gender Studies class.

*CUMMINGS*If it's about belonging, don't. The central theme of his manifesto is his thinly veiled misogyny. The only thing I'd consider using it for would be a Women's Studies or Gender Studies class.

It is either his manifesto or The Scarlet Letter

skeazlaurenIt is either his manifesto or The Scarlet Letter

How about don’t corner the Dorner’s Manifesto?

Catcher in the Rye. That pussy Holden couldn't even fuck a hooker. He dont belong.

compare it to "To Kill a Mockingbird" compare him to Boo Radley, Bob Ewell, Tom Robinson, and of course Atticus Finch, people fucking love that book

TheGreenBastardcompare it to "To Kill a Mockingbird" compare him to Boo Radley, Bob Ewell, Tom Robinson, and of course Atticus Finch, people fucking love that book

This isn't for a comparison study of a text. It's purely for belonging and those who live in Australia would know belonging is a bitch but also a super wide topic in which you can relate any text really for belonging.

skeazlaurenThis isn't for a comparison study of a text. It's purely for belonging and those who live in Australia would know belonging is a bitch but also a super wide topic in which you can relate any text really for belonging.

I feel using it would be in bad taste.

You can find MUCH better options. It would seem to me that you would have to stretch to make it fit your criteria, and there is really no good reason to use it other than the fact that it's current and shocking. You can do better than that.

Thank you to all of you for your opinions. I know there are better options out there for a related text, although my teacher keeps badgering us about finding a text that has not been used 1000 times before as the markers get bored of it. Plus after through it, there are numerous good quotes to relate to belonging, the nirvana one being an example.

>I began to have fantasies of becoming very powerful and stopping everyone from having sex. I wanted to take their sex away from them, just like they took it away from me. I saw sex as an evil and barbaric act, all because I was unable to have it. This was the major turning point. My anger made me stronger inside. This was when I formed my ideas that sex should be outlawed. It is the only way to make the world a fair and just place. If I can't have it, I will destroy it. That's the conclusion I came to, right then and there.



ehhh

*CUMMINGS*If it's about belonging, don't. The central theme of his manifesto is his thinly veiled misogyny. The only thing I'd consider using it for would be a Women's Studies or Gender Studies class.

Did you read it? He hates "successful" men as well, 6 men and 2 women died. He was a psych and a misanthrope, he hated all humans other than a few. Feminists are trying to latch onto his crimes and use their victim complex to try and justify over equality for women. Who cares his 3 poor roommates got stabbed and bled to death? But women?! Double standards, my god. It's much more a mental health issue than him being a misogynist, because he hated everyone. He's not a product of media or fantasy, he was just crazy.

Fuck that misogynistic shame.

That's what he is... Shame. Pure shame. For all humans. Sorry excuse for a human being.




...Unless you're going to use it to show how fucked up our culture and society is, or how this pathetic display of a 'man' couldn't understand that what he was preaching was utter crap, don't give this dumbass one second of thought within an educated setting.



Anne Coulter and the Westboro church are less evil than that dick.

Bateman>I began to have fantasies of becoming very powerful and stopping everyone from having sex. I wanted to take their sex away from them, just like they took it away from me. I saw sex as an evil and barbaric act, all because I was unable to have it. This was the major turning point. My anger made me stronger inside. This was when I formed my ideas that sex should be outlawed. It is the only way to make the world a fair and just place. If I can't have it, I will destroy it. That's the conclusion I came to, right then and there.



ehhh

All I read as "wah wah wah, everyone else got a Razor Scooter for xmas but me, so I decided to go around and kill them so they couldn't use them and we were all even"

DingoSeanAll I read as "wah wah wah, everyone else got a Razor Scooter for xmas but me, so I decided to go around and kill them so they couldn't use them and we were all even"

yeah me too, that's what i don't get though. i can you go on a killing spree for something like this...

TurkeltonDid you read it? He hates "successful" men as well, 6 men and 2 women died. He was a psych and a misanthrope, he hated all humans other than a few. Feminists are trying to latch onto his crimes and use their victim complex to try and justify over equality for women. Who cares his 3 poor roommates got stabbed and bled to death? But women?! Double standards, my god. It's much more a mental health issue than him being a misogynist, because he hated everyone. He's not a product of media or fantasy, he was just crazy.

He hates successful men because they are the ones who gets women. He doesn't understand how a black man can get a white woman when he's half white and 'descended from british royalty' or some bullshit. It all spirals back to him being a virgin and women not throwing themselves at him like he's some hero in a movie.

This is simply just antisocial behavior on account that he can't get what he wants. It's childsplay, not serious mental health issues.

If girls don't want to be with you, it's probably because you're doing it wrong, not because they collectively conspired to make your life the worst.

He's just a guy who thinks he's the shit, feels he's therefore entitled to whatever he wants based on the fact that he's oh-so-great, and doesn't understand that he doesn't have enough act-right in him to deserve shit.

DingoSeanHe hates successful men because they are the ones who gets women. He doesn't understand how a black man can get a white woman when he's half white and 'descended from british royalty' or some bullshit. It all spirals back to him being a virgin and women not throwing themselves at him like he's some hero in a movie.

This is simply just antisocial behavior on account that he can't get what he wants. It's childsplay, not serious mental health issues.

If girls don't want to be with you, it's probably because you're doing it wrong, not because they collectively conspired to make your life the worst.

He's just a guy who thinks he's the shit, feels he's therefore entitled to whatever he wants based on the fact that he's oh-so-great, and doesn't understand that he doesn't have enough act-right in him to deserve shit.

Exactly what I'm saying man, it's not he's a product of environment, he had some weird complex I don't know, You can blame a culture steeped in gun glorification and lax laws, but you can't blame media for creating his views. The only reason people died was easy access to guns (apart from his roommates), same with Sandy Hook, it's easy access to guns and weird anger issues.

You were talking about how women are somehow trying to make themselves victims over this situation, and sorta giving them crap about it? That's what I'm saying dude. This guy was a product of his own bullshit and he created racist and misogynistic ideas on his own. He acted on his retarded impulse in the same way a rapist would, and is defending his actions (pre-meditated, by the way) on the same exact basis... that they were asking for it.. that they deserved it. Mother. Fuck. That. SO HARD. That's not mental health issues. That's just being a selfish and terrible human being.


Hell, fuck the access to guns in this case. It's like he was playing grand theft auto and driving through the streets aiming at people on the sidewalks, hitting people and cyclists like he was Walter White in his Pontiac Aztek. He was angry at the world like a spoiled child who didn't get the game boy he wanted for xmas. That's not crazy because of misfiring brain connections... that's crazy because he drove himself to that point based on unfulfilled expectations that felt entitled to.



I don't know where you were really coming from with what it has to do with the media though.. (I mean, the portrayal of the aftermath by the media has barely even touched on the misogyny of the situation whatsoever, which I think is ridiculous - but I don't see the media as having created this monster necessarily)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPFcspwbrq8&bpctr=1401374274

This is what I'm talking about, plus NYT stringing it onto films where nerds get girls, Gawker claiming it was only directed at women etc. I'm not saying women, I'm saying feminists looking for something to attach their ideas onto have used the deaths of six people to gain publicity and make people believe that horseshit. He was a misanthrope, not only a misogynist.

In fact, people still are going on about this and 3 days ago a 17 year old was shot in the Midwest, a toddler died this morning due to shooting himself with a gun in a car, more and more. People are blaming this on "societies hatred of women/entitlement of men" whereas intact the US loves its guns too much to realise it isn't society, it's the US having too much of a hold by gun users.

Look at these. There is no other country on the planet, apart from South Africa, Somalia etc. That does this, it's lax gun laws killing innocent people, not hidden agendas of the killers. It's direct access to guns to almost any American.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2641009/Perfect-Christian-family-four-dead-inside-house-upscale-neighborhood.html

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/05/27/man-killed-brother-and-mother-wounded-in-huntley-shooting/

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/05/10-year-old_vermont_boy_shot_t.html

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/05/10-year-old_vermont_boy_shot_t.html

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/teenager-shot-killed-in-northwest-atlanta/nf7Z8/

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/teenager-shot-killed-in-northwest-atlanta/nf7Z8/

These were in the last 3 days or so. How isn't every American campaigning for laws and change? It's amazing the Americans aren't in fear of their life everyday, because some nutjob found a gun and had a bad day.

Nice op, you chose an article that looks like it came from E! NEWS (retarded, and trying to express their opinions as facts)

"141 pages long and Absolutely Terrifying" choose another article where it's not someone that hates Elliot with a passion. Even though today you can't usually do that because every reporting on school shootings always just dis the killer and tell them that these kids are crazy and thankfully dead.

There are 2 sides to this

Turkeltonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPFcspwbrq8&bpctr=1401374274

This is what I'm talking about, plus NYT stringing it onto films where nerds get girls, Gawker claiming it was only directed at women etc. I'm not saying women, I'm saying feminists looking for something to attach their ideas onto have used the deaths of six people to gain publicity and make people believe that horseshit. He was a misanthrope, not only a misogynist.

In fact, people still are going on about this and 3 days ago a 17 year old was shot in the Midwest, a toddler died this morning due to shooting himself with a gun in a car, more and more. People are blaming this on "societies hatred of women/entitlement of men" whereas intact the US loves its guns too much to realise it isn't society, it's the US having too much of a hold by gun users.

Look at these. There is no other country on the planet, apart from South Africa, Somalia etc. That does this, it's lax gun laws killing innocent people, not hidden agendas of the killers. It's direct access to guns to almost any American.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2641009/Perfect-Christian-family-four-dead-inside-house-upscale-neighborhood.html

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/05/27/man-killed-brother-and-mother-wounded-in-huntley-shooting/

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/05/10-year-old_vermont_boy_shot_t.html

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/05/10-year-old_vermont_boy_shot_t.html

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/teenager-shot-killed-in-northwest-atlanta/nf7Z8/

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/teenager-shot-killed-in-northwest-atlanta/nf7Z8/

These were in the last 3 days or so. How isn't every American campaigning for laws and change? It's amazing the Americans aren't in fear of their life everyday, because some nutjob found a gun and had a bad day.

You're either ignoring how he thinks of women or ignoring how constant the message of male entitlement is in most media forms. Either way, you sound like a hypocrite. Yes, gun laws are absolutely part of the reason for what happened, and I sure as hell think they should be changed. Yes, he had mental health issues; he distorted the entitlement message well beyond the way it's normally interpreted, but the base of it is still there. He thought that women owed him something Media gave him something to base his anger on, and he ran with it. I just realized I haven't said why you're a hypocrite. It's because you're doing the exact same thing with gun laws that feminists are doing with misogyny. Don't act like you aren't. It's totally fine that you are, albeit saddening this is what we need to bring it to the public eye, but there's no difference.

I don't know about the NYT or Gawker or whatever, but the video was 100% on point. She's saying exactly what I'm saying here. I don't see what you have against it, or what any real feminist thinks.

You see, I think you have the wrong perception of a feminist - that being a woman who blames all her problems on male-dominated society, hates men, thinks they're the worst, and basically is a female version of Elliot Rogers without the guns and the aggression.

Feminist ideas in this case have nothing to do with some 'woe is our plight' situation here. It's much more than that. It's pointing out the hypocritical and backwards aspects of our society, putting them under a microscope and showing them to you right in front of your face. If somebody doesn't want to understand that, then honestly, that's pretty misogynistic in it's own right. Feminism isn't just for women, man. Take that into account. It should really be renamed something else, because it's so beyond just womens rights at this point.

I for one am a feminist. I'm a male. I have a dick. I don't have a pink name. I don't even have a girlfriend at this point who would have taken over my computer to pretend to be me. I see this situation and I'm fucking FURIOUS because it shows how fucked up this whole thing is. Men are constantly, from day one, told that they need to Go all Steve Holt here... be tough, get big muscles, kick all the other boys asses, be the captain of the football team, slack off in school because who cares, i'm getting an athletic scholarship, make fun of the geeks and steal their lunch money, etc to get the girls. Why? I mean.. come on. Its everywhere. Not just portrayed in movies and media like that, but everywhere. It's entwined in our society. Media wouldn't be able to relate to us if it wasn't already so embedded.

Women don't help in a lot of cases - unfortunately lots of women are turned on by the 'bad boy' persona bullshit, but that's another wall feminism is trying to break down. Look at other cultures as an example... hell other sub-cultures. In some cases, the dude who's got the biggest hipster beard and the most tattoos and rides the sweetest fixie is the hottest in the house..

But in this situation we're talking about - contemporary society - If the macho man who's a dick to everyone is perceived as hot, and if the chick who has ribs showing and the 'thigh gap' is perceived as hot, then the women are going to go anorexic to attract the bad boys and keep this societal shit circle that we've created going. That needs to change.


So with that all said this isn't so much about guns. This isn't Newtown or Fort Hood or Columbine. Yeah, he used guns, and if he didn't kill himself first, perhaps he could have REALLY used them, but the fact of the matter was, in this case, whether he had guns or not, he was going to do whatever it took to fuck shit up. This dude was so driven that he would have gone all timothy mcveigh and blown up the place with fertilizer bombs.

Now, I'm by no means a gun-activist. Hell, I'm a huge proponent of gun control.. the amount of gun-related deaths in this nation is fucking STAGGERING. but this is not a situation where guns are the main issue. This dude was out to cause harm under any means necessary, and totally singled out women, and guys who get women as his main enemy in the case. If this happened in a nation with serious gun controls, then who knows.. maybe he would have just thrown acid on girls faces like men do in the middle east and Southeast Asia when women reject them.

So yeah, guns shouldn't be as readily available.. no fucking way, but furthermore, the basis of his reasoning to USE the guns and other weapons shouldn't be acceptable like it is.

TL;DR?

Sparknotes.

Feminism isn't bad.

This isn't about guns.

This is about society having some backasswards shit that needs to be rectified if we wan't this kinda thing to stop. Which we do.

Absolute fuckin bullshit. Switzerland gave women the vote in 1970, and pay is 5 percent lower for women or so. That's pretty backwards you say? Women aren't getting shot at for "not giving sex" because those who want to can't access guns. That's the reason, not the treatment of women. That's another issue entirely, but in countries with similar equality for men/women such as Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden... You don't see people shot up 4 times a week then suddenly blamed on the media. I play fps, I watch porn, I listen to rap. This doesn't mean I think I'm entitled, and like you and millions of others, we don't feel entitled to women and sex and they should die if they don't give it. It's not fuckin society, it's crazy kids getting a gun. Weak minds with powerful weapons don't mix nicely

TurkeltonAbsolute fuckin bullshit. Switzerland gave women the vote in 1970, and pay is 5 percent lower for women or so. That's pretty backwards you say? Women aren't getting shot at for "not giving sex" because those who want to can't access guns. That's the reason, not the treatment of women. That's another issue entirely, but in countries with similar equality for men/women such as Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden... You don't see people shot up 4 times a week then suddenly blamed on the media. I play fps, I watch porn, I listen to rap. This doesn't mean I think I'm entitled, and like you and millions of others, we don't feel entitled to women and sex and they should die if they don't give it. It's not fuckin society, it's crazy kids getting a gun. Weak minds with powerful weapons don't mix nicely

...Was that an argument or you just retorting with random things?

Nobody was talking about Switzerland - although that is a perfect example of things needing to change, and then finally fucking changing. so thank you? Women ARE getting shot at for not giving sex (uh, this whole thing in Isla Vista being case in point) and even if they aren't they're certainly being raped or assaulted at gunpoint, or knifepoint, or just in general all the time - whether you want to believe the statistics and cold-hard-facts or not, that shit fucking happens.

Who is blaming things on the media? The media is a representation of society, not the other way around.

Of course those things don't MAKE one entitled, and they don't mean you're going to act on them. Most men don't act like a fucking jackass. The fact of the matter is, like the girl in the video you posted said, IT DOES HAPPEN, and because of that, shit absolutely needs to change within our society, or at least people need to be made more aware of the perilous shit that happens to people because of our society.. Either there is an issue with society, or way too many men have serious mental disorders that make them think that a girl wearing a short skirt is 'asking for it' or that if they're rejected they have the right to harrass, harm, rape, or kill said woman.

It's just like guns. Not everyone with an AR15 goes and shoots up a movie theatre or a school or an army base, but it sure as fuck does happen, and because of that, there needs to be gun control to prevent those with idiotic motives from getting their hands on them. It's complex either way, but the red flags are EVERYWHERE.

TurkeltonAbsolute fuckin bullshit. Switzerland gave women the vote in 1970, and pay is 5 percent lower for women or so. That's pretty backwards you say? Women aren't getting shot at for "not giving sex" because those who want to can't access guns. That's the reason, not the treatment of women. That's another issue entirely, but in countries with similar equality for men/women such as Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden... You don't see people shot up 4 times a week then suddenly blamed on the media. I play fps, I watch porn, I listen to rap. This doesn't mean I think I'm entitled, and like you and millions of others, we don't feel entitled to women and sex and they should die if they don't give it. It's not fuckin society, it's crazy kids getting a gun. Weak minds with powerful weapons don't mix nicely

Why can't you admit that both are problems? It's not that difficult to do, it's not an either/or situation. They are quite simply both problems. Yes, America's gun culture is disgusting. No, it's not in any way the only reason for what happened.

I DO feel entitled sometimes. I find it hard to believe you don't. I just recognize it, that's all.

DingoSean...Was that an argument or you just retorting with random things?

Nobody was talking about Switzerland - although that is a perfect example of things needing to change, and then finally fucking changing. so thank you? Women ARE getting shot at for not giving sex (uh, this whole thing in Isla Vista being case in point) and even if they aren't they're certainly being raped or assaulted at gunpoint, or knifepoint, or just in general all the time - whether you want to believe the statistics and cold-hard-facts or not, that shit fucking happens.

Who is blaming things on the media? The media is a representation of society, not the other way around.

Of course those things don't MAKE one entitled, and they don't mean you're going to act on them. Most men don't act like a fucking jackass. The fact of the matter is, like the girl in the video you posted said, IT DOES HAPPEN, and because of that, shit absolutely needs to change within our society, or at least people need to be made more aware of the perilous shit that happens to people because of our society.. Either there is an issue with society, or way too many men have serious mental disorders that make them think that a girl wearing a short skirt is 'asking for it' or that if they're rejected they have the right to harrass, harm, rape, or kill said woman.

It's just like guns. Not everyone with an AR15 goes and shoots up a movie theatre or a school or an army base, but it sure as fuck does happen, and because of that, there needs to be gun control to prevent those with idiotic motives from getting their hands on them. It's complex either way, but the red flags are EVERYWHERE.

I meant in other countries. I'd say it was much more access to weapons over sexism in society. That's what I'm saying

TurkeltonI meant in other countries. I'd say it was much more access to weapons over sexism in society. That's what I'm saying

Yeah, no... I don't agree with you. like I said. His ability to access guns has nothing to do with it. Idiots with this same entitled mindset throw acid on women in countries when they don't have access to guns. That's almost worse in a certain light.

Gun control is needed, sure. But again, it's a total sub-issue in this case.

We shouldn't call it a manifesto, thats giving him wayyyyyyy to much credit. Maybe blatherings of an overprivileged, self centered, pissant who's idea of having a relationship with women comes from cliche and completely wrong stereotypes he learned through movies and the internet.

I hope Satan is pissing on his head

mskiWe shouldn't call it a manifesto, thats giving him wayyyyyyy to much credit. Maybe blatherings of an overprivileged, self centered, pissant who's idea of having a relationship with women comes from cliche and completely wrong stereotypes he learned through movies and the internet.

I hope Satan is pissing on his head

I hope he finally loses his virginity in hell...

JavascriptNice op, you chose an article that looks like it came from E! NEWS (retarded, and trying to express their opinions as facts)

"141 pages long and Absolutely Terrifying" choose another article where it's not someone that hates Elliot with a passion. Even though today you can't usually do that because every reporting on school shootings always just dis the killer and tell them that these kids are crazy and thankfully dead.

There are 2 sides to this

I never chose an article relating to Elliot Rogers. I'm using his own words in his own manifesto.

Fuck, I just saw the video of his asshole dad. The dad sounded so fucking ignorant and just like a rich snob cunt. I don't know about how his dad treated him, but it looks like he just ignored him.

The father goes on to call him a monster and how he's sorry, he's your son you fuck. The kid was autistic and his views on life were different, and then growing up with a dad who doesn't pay attention to you, that'd make you a fuck up.

People don't just kill others, something psychological wrong with him and it's not his fault. RIP Elliot Rodgers

#CantDodgeTheRodge

JavascriptThe father goes on to call him a monster and how he's sorry, he's your son you fuck. The kid was autistic

Dude, fuck that, if that was my son, I'd be so fucking ashamed. Yeah, he's a monster.

...and he sure as fuck wasn't autistic. Nothing like that. He was a total idiot, but he was fully capable. No serious mindfucks, just some serious persecutory delusions.

Call that a mental or neurological illness if you will, but this guy had nothing like autism... more like, he had the same level of delusional bullshit as those who tell people they were abducted by aliens in flying saucers...

JavascriptFuck, I just saw the video of his asshole dad. The dad sounded so fucking ignorant and just like a rich snob cunt. I don't know about how his dad treated him, but it looks like he just ignored him.

The father goes on to call him a monster and how he's sorry, he's your son you fuck. The kid was autistic and his views on life were different, and then growing up with a dad who doesn't pay attention to you, that'd make you a fuck up.

People don't just kill others, something psychological wrong with him and it's not his fault. RIP Elliot Rodgers

#CantDodgeTheRodge

So daddy issues makes it acceptable now? I can confidently say he is not the only one with daddy issues in this world. If that were my son I would be ashamed of him as well. He killed people!

This was not some PTSD or PPD case where someone just went off their rocker all of a sudden. He is not autistic, he has a HIGHLY functioning form of Aspergers, which means at MOST he is somewhat of an awkward kid. He probably is just as awkward around girls as some of the people on NS are.

You are an idiot.

DingoSeanDude, fuck that, if that was my son, I'd be so fucking ashamed. Yeah, he's a monster.

...and he sure as fuck wasn't autistic. Nothing like that. He was a total idiot, but he was fully capable. No serious mindfucks, just some serious persecutory delusions.

Call that a mental or neurological illness if you will, but this guy had nothing like autism... more like, he had the same level of delusional bullshit as those who tell people they were abducted by aliens in flying saucers...

assburgers = autistic

and "more like, he had the same level of delusional bullshit as those who tell people they were abducted by aliens in flying saucers..." so he's mentally insane, which really means he isn't actually a person

is this for belonging?

OGoriginal-gaperis this for belonging?

yeah dude