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Brock.
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So this is a pretty taboo topic, but I'm drunk and don't really give a fuck.

This "community" is full of the stereotypical homophobic "ew faggot" kind of bullshit. The whole masculine thug thing that runs rampant among members of this website is rude and ridiculous. My question to NS is, how many of you have ever had a homosexual experience or any kind of thoughts of that nature. Scratch that, do any of you even support it?? I doubt any of you will admit it, considering the whole NS thing runs basically counterculture to the gay community. I'm not trying to make a statement, I just want to turn this into reasonable discussion.

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May 19 2014 11:52PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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BombogenesisYou can start here

http://www.hrc.org/resources/entry/an-overview-of-federal-rights-and-protections-granted-to-married-couples


As an unmarried man, I currently don't get any of that, and I'm still doing just fine. Like I said, it's a mild nuisance.
May 20 2014 10:54AM
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theBearJew
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ScaredwhiteboyWell, I could still have sex with women and I could still live with the woman I loved. Not having the government recognize our union would be a mild nuisance, but nothing I couldn't live with.


So then why get married at all if you dont love the person and they mean nothing to you but a tax advantage? What would the marriage mean to you in that situation?
May 20 2014 10:56AM
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Bombogenesis
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ScaredwhiteboyAs an unmarried man, I currently don't get any of that, and I'm still doing just fine. Like I said, it's a mild nuisance.



You're probably also 17, have next to no income... No kids... No taxes... No real responsibility




No brain
May 20 2014 10:57AM
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theBearJew
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theBearJewSo then why get married at all if you dont love the person and they mean nothing to you but a tax advantage? What would the marriage mean to you in that situation?


And if you can be so kind as to answer what marriage even means to you at all. Not talking the situation I posed, but marriage in general.
May 20 2014 11:02AM
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infedel_one
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.Hugo.Trolls dont admit theyre trolling... Retarded shitstains use it as an excuse for their stupidity


agreed.
May 20 2014 11:07AM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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theBearJewSo then why get married at all if you dont love the person and they mean nothing to you but a tax advantage? What would the marriage mean to you in that situation?


I don't understand the question. I never said I would marry somebody I didn't love. The only reason I could see for doing so is to help a foreigner get US citizenship. I would never marry somebody for government benefits and I don't think many people do.

In response to your second question, marriage to me is the act of swearing your undying love and loyalty to a sexual partner. The need for marriage arises from the fact that raising a child is very difficult for one person to do alone. Before intending reproduce, people get married so that they have reassurance that they will have somebody to help them raise their child.
May 20 2014 11:42AM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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BombogenesisYou're probably also 17, have next to no income... No kids... No taxes... No real responsibility




No brain


Actually I'm 14. Now can we get back to the issues?
May 20 2014 11:45AM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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Did you not have pubes when you were 14? Talk about a late-bloomer.
May 20 2014 11:49AM
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theBearJew
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ScaredwhiteboyI don't understand the question. I never said I would marry somebody I didn't love. The only reason I could see for doing so is to help a foreigner get US citizenship. I would never marry somebody for government benefits and I don't think many people do.

In response to your second question, marriage to me is the act of swearing your undying love and loyalty to a sexual partner. The need for marriage arises from the fact that raising a child is very difficult for one person to do alone. Before intending reproduce, people get married so that they have reassurance that they will have somebody to help them raise their child.



My first question was meant to point out that the fact that they have the right to marry someone they will never love or be attracted to doesn't make it equal, it makes it meaningless. You even agreed that many don't marry just for government benefits, they do for love.

So how can you believe that it equal to be allowed to marry only the opposite sex? They aren't marrying that person for what marriage is designed to be, as you said "the act of swearing your undying love and loyalty to a sexual partner." You are denying them the ability of a true marriage. Yet you are saying that is equality... I just don't see your rationale.


As for your idea that marriage is the reassurance that they will have somebody to help raise a family, what is divorce? 40 to 50 percent of married couples in the United States divorce. So that give you a 40-50% chance to not have someone there to raise your family with. Plenty of people get married and never have kids, and plenty of people have kids without getting married. Yes, children are a large factor in getting married, but not the only.
May 20 2014 11:57AM
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*TURBONERD*
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theabortionatorAgain it isn't a choice. I didn't wake up one day and say "I think I'm going to become something that sends me to hell, my parents and pretty much all my family will hate me for, my friends will bail on me for, and other negative things"

I didn't decide "I'm tired of seeing the same pair of tits over and over, dump my girlfriend and start getting off to dudes"

If you were working a job with a black guy and you made it known that you had a problem with him, and made it a repeated thing, do you think it would be fucked for a company to get rid of you? It really doesn't matter what you believe, if you make an environment where other people can't work because of your prejudices, that's on you.

Nobody is saying you can't hate gay people, or black people, or think that eating turkey is a sin. Just don't start shit in the workplace or fuck up my thanksgiving dinner.


As far as the workplace, I've only experienced it from the other side. One mountain I worked at for 3 years had to deal with a douche boss going around and telling kids to not be friends with me because I was gay. I drove over an hour each way on shit roads to work my ass off and barely make any profit after gas to try and build a good park for the kids. I didn't do anything about it because I did want the attention from people like you. "Gay man tries to ruin the careers of everyone around him because he's gay....."

You can believe what ever the fuck you want to believe, but if it's ignorant as fuck you might want to keep it to yourself.

It's funny because he's black.
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I did. Work on reading comprehension.
May 20 2014 12:00PM
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GayWolf420
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*CUMMINGS*It's funny because he's black.

I did. Work on reading comprehension.


he is epic trolling you, bro! youre so dumb!
May 20 2014 12:06PM
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*TURBONERD*
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DeebieSkeebieshe is epic trolling you, bro! youre so dumb!


Shit you're right.
May 20 2014 12:07PM
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Mr.Huck
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This thread went potatoes somewhere on page 2.

People use every type of slur imaginable on this site. If someone uses Gay, or the N or R words, I don't take it that they are hating on homosexuals, black people or people with downs syndrome. I take it that they are just pissed at the person they are replying to. If you are comfortable in your own skin it doesn't matter.

One thing I disagree with is the blanket statement that nobody chooses to be gay. I personally know people who went gay for awhile and are now straighter than an arrow. I also know gay people who were clearly born that way.

I am Catholic, and I believe that all people are born perfect. If people are born perfect and some people are born gay; how can it be a sin?
May 20 2014 12:11PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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theBearJewSo how can you believe that it equal to be allowed to marry only the opposite sex? They aren't marrying that person for what marriage is designed to be, as you said "the act of swearing your undying love and loyalty to a sexual partner." You are denying them the ability of a true marriage. Yet you are saying that is equality... I just don't see your rationale.


I can believe that current marriage is equal because it is. All men have the exact same marriage rights. That's the practically the definition of equality. Our marriage laws are not unequal just because one segment of the population wants to do something that's prohibited. Plenty of people want to smoke weed or snort coke and can't, but others can smoke tobacco and drink whiskey. Does that mean drug law is discriminatory and unequal?
May 20 2014 12:31PM
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theBearJew
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ScaredwhiteboyI can believe that current marriage is equal because it is. All men have the exact same marriage rights. That's the practically the definition of equality. Our marriage laws are not unequal just because one segment of the population wants to do something that's prohibited. Plenty of people want to smoke weed or snort coke and can't, but others can smoke tobacco and drink whiskey. Does that mean drug law is discriminatory and unequal?


By that logic slavery is legal. All blacks had the exact same rights, to be slaves. So that's equal, so that's okay.

Marriage equality is not about everyone being allowed to marry a member of the opposite sex because everyone has the equal right to, it is about having the right to marry anyone you want to as you said earlier, "to swear your undying love and loyalty to a sexual partner". You are denying people the equal right to do that by denying gay marriage. How is that equal??
May 20 2014 12:37PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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theBearJewBy that logic slavery is legal. All blacks had the exact same rights, to be slaves. So that's equal, so that's okay.


Don't be ridiculous. Whether or not something is equal does not determine whether or not it should be legal. Also, slavery wasn't equal because blacks and whites did not have equal rights under law.

theBearJewMarriage equality is not about everyone being allowed to marry a member of the opposite sex because everyone has the equal right to, it is about having the right to marry anyone you want to as you said earlier, "to swear your undying love and loyalty to a sexual partner". You are denying people the equal right to do that by denying gay marriage. How is that equal??


For the love of God, stop repeating yourself. I've already answered how current marriage rights are equal (because gays and straights have exactly equal marriage rights under law). It's time you stop ignoring polygamous and incestuous marriage. If you think everybody should have the right to marry who they love, why haven't I heard a squeak out of you in support of these issues?
May 20 2014 12:49PM
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Iraq_Lobster
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i think the whole problem with gay rights today is that people are trying to get it done so fast. It's going to take a really long time to be accepted by everybody, if that will ever happen. But I have seriously doubt it will happen in my lifetime. Its gunna be a marathon, not a sprint
May 20 2014 12:55PM
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*TURBONERD*
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ScaredwhiteboyI can believe that current marriage is equal because it is. All men have the exact same marriage rights. That's the practically the definition of equality. Our marriage laws are not unequal just because one segment of the population wants to do something that's prohibited. Plenty of people want to smoke weed or snort coke and can't, but others can smoke tobacco and drink whiskey. Does that mean drug law is discriminatory and unequal?


Drug law is incredibly discriminatory. See crack versus regular cocaine.
May 20 2014 12:59PM
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GayWolf420
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Iraq_Lobsteri think the whole problem with gay rights today is that people are trying to get it done so fast. It's going to take a really long time to be accepted by everybody, if that will ever happen. But I have seriously doubt it will happen in my lifetime. Its gunna be a marathon, not a sprint


i really think its identical to the civil rights movement. and even now, we still have some issues with race. i agree on the marathon part. its going to be a long process before people accept it.
May 20 2014 12:59PM
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theBearJew
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ScaredwhiteboyDon't be ridiculous. Whether or not something is equal does not determine whether or not it should be legal. Also, slavery wasn't equal because blacks and whites did not have equal rights under law.



For the love of God, stop repeating yourself. I've already answered how current marriage rights are equal (because gays and straights have exactly equal marriage rights under law). It's time you stop ignoring polygamous and incestuous marriage. If you think everybody should have the right to marry who they love, why haven't I heard a squeak out of you in support of these issues?


You were comparing gay marriage to cocaine users so I figured that me comparing it to slavery would be okay.


You are agreeing with me yet you don't. I'm repeating myself because I'm trying to make you see that straight people and gay people don't have equal rights, which you agree isn't right.


As for incest and polygamy, first I'll go at polygamy, I don't give a shit if you have 5 wives. If the 6 of you are happy and in love go for it. Really don't care. People think its hard explaining 2 men or 2 women being married to their kids, try explaining to your kid that person has 6 women to fuck and they only fuck him. Then try to explain to a horny teen that he shouldn't do those things, like adultery, unless you're married to all of them.

Incest, I think its fucking disgusting, but if you feel like you love your sister/brother, go for it. Get married, it really doesn't matter to me. Nor does it effect my life at all. However, a child of an incestuous marriage can have increased chance of getting a rare genetic disease and a weakened immune system. So because that child has no say in that matter I don't think they should be allowed to have kids. Adopt if you please, but can't have an offspring as you are knowingly subjecting that child to potential life threatening diseases.
May 20 2014 1:07PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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*CUMMINGS*Drug law is incredibly discriminatory. See crack versus regular cocaine.


Drug law is only discriminatory in the sense that blacks are prosecuted at a much higher rate than whites despite relatively equal usage rates. Drug law is not discriminatory in the sense that it prevents people from doing what the want. Just the same as marriage law is not discriminatory against gays because it prevents them from doing what they want and murder law is not discriminatory against murderers because it prevents them from doing what they want. Just because what you want to do is illegal, doesn't mean you're being discriminated against.
May 20 2014 1:10PM
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arnie_grape
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im pretty sure meth time was gay
May 20 2014 1:12PM
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boozer
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so I guess shitting on the bible is now legal in Oregon
May 20 2014 1:22PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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theBearJewYou were comparing gay marriage to cocaine users so I figured that me comparing it to slavery would be okay.


You are agreeing with me yet you don't. I'm repeating myself because I'm trying to make you see that straight people and gay people don't have equal rights, which you agree isn't right.



No. All people have exactly marriage rights as I've told you time and time again. If you think those marriage rights should be expanded (i.e: allowing same-sex marriage), that's a different issue. That's an issue of personal freedom, not equality. Just the same as cocaine use is an issue of personal freedom, not equality.


theBearJewAs for incest and polygamy, first I'll go at polygamy, I don't give a shit if you have 5 wives. If the 6 of you are happy and in love go for it.


People can't "go for it" because the law doesn't allow it.


theBearJewIncest, I think its fucking disgusting, but if you feel like you love your sister/brother, go for it. Get married, it really doesn't matter to me. Nor does it effect my life at all. However, a child of an incestuous marriage can have increased chance of getting a rare genetic disease and a weakened immune system. So because that child has no say in that matter I don't think they should be allowed to have kids. Adopt if you please, but can't have an offspring as you are knowingly subjecting that child to potential life threatening diseases.


Women who are 40 years old have a 12.5x higher chance of having a baby with Down's Syndrome than 25 year old women. Should they be prohibited from having children as well? What about the millions of people who have a genetic predisposition for certain diseases?
May 20 2014 1:29PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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boozerso I guess shitting on the bible is now legal in Oregon


I'm pretty sure it's legal everywhere.
May 20 2014 1:30PM
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*TURBONERD*
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ScaredwhiteboyDrug law is only discriminatory in the sense that blacks are prosecuted at a much higher rate than whites despite relatively equal usage rates. Drug law is not discriminatory in the sense that it prevents people from doing what the want. Just the same as marriage law is not discriminatory against gays because it prevents them from doing what they want and murder law is not discriminatory against murderers because it prevents them from doing what they want. Just because what you want to do is illegal, doesn't mean you're being discriminated against.

Nope, crack generally has much harsher penalties inherent to use, despite being quite comparable to regular cocaine. If that's not discriminatory in the base sense I don't know what is.
May 20 2014 1:33PM
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theBearJew
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What I mean't by "Go for it" is it doesn't bother me, so I wouldn't care if it was legally allowed.


So what you are saying is that if the movement was change to marriage expansion rather than marriage equality, you would be okay with it?
May 20 2014 1:37PM
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boozer
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ScaredwhiteboyI'm pretty sure it's legal everywhere.


I'm saying they just legalized gay marriage. twas a joke about how some people are taking the news
May 20 2014 1:40PM
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ModMommy
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boozerI'm saying they just legalized gay marriage. twas a joke about how some people are taking the news


That was the perfect way to put it too.
May 20 2014 1:42PM
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J.D.
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Wow that actually was a very successful troll. Surprised no one called him on it.
May 20 2014 1:50PM
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boozer
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J.D.Wow that actually was a very successful troll. Surprised no one called him on it.


you're telling me
May 20 2014 1:52PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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*CUMMINGS*Nope, crack generally has much harsher penalties inherent to use, despite being quite comparable to regular cocaine. If that's not discriminatory in the base sense I don't know what is.


That's not really discrimination, though. Just different punishment for different things. Crack is thought to be more addictive because of the fact that it has more immediate effects than regular cocaine.
May 20 2014 2:01PM
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SFB
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tl;dr of this thread: yoski is the shittiest member.
May 20 2014 2:11PM
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ScaredwhiteboyThat's not really discrimination, though. Just different punishment for different things. Crack is thought to be more addictive because of the fact that it has more immediate effects than regular cocaine.


I'd disagree, Crack is thought of (potentially truthfully) as being primarily used by lower class African Americans

Cocaine is thought of (potentially truthfully although ever evolving as the prices is driven down) as being primarily used by upper class whites.

They are essentially the same drug with the same active ingredients yet people like Rep. Trey Radel from Florida, get 1 year probation for purchasing 3.5 grams of Coke, and then those in possession of crack cocaine face mandatory minimums.

There is a huge disparity in how possession of these substances-albeit virtually the same are seen under the law, and I believe wholeheartedly that the disparity was born influenced by race.
May 20 2014 2:18PM
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ModMommy
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ScaredwhiteboyThat's not really discrimination, though. Just different punishment for different things. Crack is thought to be more addictive because of the fact that it has more immediate effects than regular cocaine.


The stigma and "target" of the users is different though.
Crack is typical cheaper in found in lower socioeconomic situations, and often is associated with the african american population.
Cocaine however is associated with higher incomes and whites.

If you're a minority found with crack, your sentence and charges will likely be harder than a white found with the same substance.
May 20 2014 2:25PM
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Chinchi
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Well I'll be damned, yoski is the first successful troll I've seen in a good while, hats off to you sir, you have succeeded in the pursuit of rustled jimmies
May 20 2014 2:26PM
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ModMommy
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Income by race in the United States, the lowest income is almost always found in minorities.
Radel is in a position of power, it really wasn't about race.
May 20 2014 2:31PM
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I know plenty of Christians who have nothing against gays, besides GOD ISN"T REAL
May 20 2014 2:38PM
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theBearJew
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/20/pennsylvania-gay-marriage-ruling/9323521/

Pensylvania joins the club.

Apparently the judge had this to say, "In future generations, the label same-sex marriage will be abandoned, to be replaced simply by marriage."
May 20 2014 3:00PM
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Puddles
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dangler2470GOD ISN"T REAL


Oh.
May 20 2014 3:08PM
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Huck_Norris
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And once again, the gays are totally cool and the bible beater trolls are the most obnoxious douchebags imaginable.
May 20 2014 3:14PM
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This
May 20 2014 5:56PM
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Brule.
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Hey yoski, you do realize you're home state (freakin' IOWA) has same-sex marriage legalized there? You are making yourself sound like you belong in the dirty south, if not Utah. Not to mention, the Bible isn't the best form of proving any valid arguments. Sorry.

Back onto the topic. I support same-sex marriage because there's absolutely no valid reason why it shouldn't be legalized. Fortunately, same-sex marriage is legal in the northeastern tip of the U.S., especially NY. Also they're able to keep families alive. How?

Adoption.
May 20 2014 7:16PM
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Zimmerman
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You guys are giving a word more power than it really has or deserves. I am perfectly okay with all kinds of sexuality and sexual equality. However, when I call someone a faggot, it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's sexual orientation. I called him a faggot because he was being a faggot. Simple as that. Words can carry more than one meaning when used in different ways. The word faggot has three I can think of off the top of my head. Only one of them is a word I consider offensive. By tabooing the use of the benign meanings, you give power to the malignant one.
May 20 2014 7:32PM
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GayWolf420
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Brule.Hey yoski, you do realize you're home state (freakin' IOWA) has same-sex marriage legalized there? You are making yourself sound like you belong in the dirty south, if not Utah. Not to mention, the Bible isn't the best form of proving any valid arguments. Sorry.

Back onto the topic. I support same-sex marriage because there's absolutely no valid reason why it shouldn't be legalized. Fortunately, same-sex marriage is legal in the northeastern tip of the U.S., especially NY. Also they're able to keep families alive. How?

Adoption.




supreme court ordered utah to recognize same-sex marriages. so its basically legal here.
May 20 2014 8:59PM
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Turd.Ferguson
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DeebieSkeebiesgotta disagree with you there. nothing satire about calling someone a faggot at all.


its a word so dont get worked up over it. if you care about your feelings this isnt the website to do so. lets be realistic, no one in here is really a homophobe (please correct me if i am wrong) and by us saying "op is a faggot" or "op likes dick" or "op is gay" does not make us a homophobe.
May 20 2014 9:38PM
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Brule.
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DeebieSkeebiessupreme court ordered utah to recognize same-sex marriages. so its basically legal here.


Well damn. Either way, doesn't Arizona not recognize same-sex marriage?
May 20 2014 10:02PM
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GayWolf420
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Turd.Fergusonits a word so dont get worked up over it. if you care about your feelings this isnt the website to do so. lets be realistic, no one in here is really a homophobe (please correct me if i am wrong) and by us saying "op is a faggot" or "op likes dick" or "op is gay" does not make us a homophobe.


if anything, the people that are defending the use of faggot are the ones getting worked up, like yourself.
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