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Tour/Powder Ski: Rossignol Super 7s or ON3P Billy Goat Tours

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Muggydude
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Hey guys,

I'm actually trying to help my brother pick a new ski for next season.

He's 5'8, 155. Definitely an expert skier. He's never toured before, but intends to travel next year and get into it more. This will also serve as a resort pow ski, so keep that in mind. Almost exclusively a soft snow ski though. I know there are some cool new skis coming out next year (Steeple 112) but really looking for a 2014 ski to save some money.

Going to be a part of a 2 ski quiver- he's also getting a 100~ waisted soft, playful ski for bumps/groomers/everything else when there isn't much snow. (Don't need suggestions on that right now)
Mainly skiing CO and maybe in utah or Wyoming for a couple trips.

Really thinking about getting either the 2014 Billy Goat Tours in 186 or the 2014 Rossignol Super 7s 180 (maybe he should go with the 188s? Anyone know how Rossingol skis measure tip to tip?).

I honestly don't know too much about either ski- I've read a decent amount about the goats on here and everyone seems to love them in soft snow. I know they have bomber construction and are super durable, love my own ON3Ps. But also not sure if they are a bit too geared for charging and might not be as maneuverable as he wants.

The ski's dimensions are similar, but the the Rossignols are lighter: 1924g 180 and 2064g 188 vs 2160 for the 186 tours.

He's a strong skier, but obviously not a huge guy. For of a finesse guy- doesn't all out charge (but definitely gets after it at times). Want's a ski that can be very maneuverable, especially in trees, but still serve him well on big lines, stomping a few backcountry booters, and some big mountain stuff.

What do you guys think? BG Tours or Super 7s? And if Super 7s what length? I'd appreciate any comments on how either ski.

Also any recommendations for tour bindings? Looking at Dukes EPF, Guardians as well. Haven't looked into it much. The new dynafit beasts look sweet, but might be a bit out of the price range.

Thanks!
Apr 3 2014 1:08AM
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50Kal
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I have regular 186 BGs in Colorado. They Destroy the powder, crud, everything. Might weigh a little more but worth it. I'd say get the tour version. Probably what I should of done but whatever.

On a side note, Anyone here tour on the tychoon? Thinking about getting it and making a touring set up with it.
Apr 3 2014 11:47AM
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Muggydude
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How do the regular bgs do in tight trees? (Both low and higher speed)?
Apr 3 2014 12:41PM
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VD.
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The Billy Goats will be a good fit for him, I've never really like either the S7or the Super7. To be honest, if I were you, I'd just go for the regular BGs, if he's just starting touring next season he won't need a really light rig and besides even with the tour lay up, the BGs aren't spectacularly light. If you're looking for a genuinely light weight alternative for some more touring, then take a look at the BD Carbon Megawatts, Down Countdown Carbon 2, or next seasons K2 Coombacks (waist increased to 114, weight ~1800, pintail, cain't comment on the flex, I haven't skied them, just looked at them). But bear
Apr 3 2014 1:38PM
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Muggydude
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Tours are about .5 lbs lighter per ski- My thoughts were that the lighter and softer flex of the tour would be better overall for both his size and the fact that he wants a ski that will be pretty good in tight trees. Plus for touring a (little) easier on the way up.
Apr 3 2014 1:46PM
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tomPietrowski
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Which Super 7? This seasons is a much different ski to previous versions
Apr 3 2014 1:46PM
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Muggydude
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2014. If i went with the super 7 I think we'd probably get the 188s (should measure about the same size as the 186 BGs).
Apr 3 2014 1:49PM
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tomPietrowski
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Just saw you sad the 2014. I really liked that ski when I skied it. It felt nice and stiff under foot so you could carve the skis hard. The tip rocker was non chattery and made the tip feel very stable. Personally I would like more tail rocker but it probably would ruin how the ski rides. The light tip and tail are great too, it has no swing weight for a big ski.

That is something to consider too. Although the super 7 is only slightly lighter it will feel much lighter skiing then the bg as the swing weight is so low.
Apr 3 2014 1:49PM
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tomPietrowski
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No the On3p will be quite a bit longer if they size up the same as the jmo. But yeah 188 will be a good length.
Apr 3 2014 1:50PM
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J.D.
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1. The 186 Tours will probably be longer than the 188 Rossis, so take that into account when comparing weight.

2. I really like the S7, but for me On3p just makes a better ski than everyone else so it's a bit of a no brainer in my opinion; of the two get the Billy Goats.

3. Also be aware of next year's On3p Steeple, which may be worth waiting for if you don't need these for spring skiing - I am going to be on a pair of Steeple 112s myself.

Apr 3 2014 2:12PM
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Muggydude
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Steeple would be nice. But have a possible deal for some bg tours really cheap this year- so don't really want to wait and spring the extra cash

According to blister gear reviews the 188 soul 7s measured 186.7cm tip to tip, so I'd assume the 188 supers are the same? And of course the on3ps measure 186 exactly- so they should be about the same length
Apr 3 2014 2:18PM
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japanada
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BGTs
Apr 3 2014 2:24PM
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Huck_Norris
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BGTs, GPOs or Kusalas all the way. Fuck the Super 7. No idea why people still buy that big box bullshit unless they're getting proform.
Apr 3 2014 4:30PM
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LC.
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Carbon Megawatt. That is all.
Apr 3 2014 5:11PM
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tomPietrowski
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Personally I like the big box stuff still. I pretty much change my skis up every year so the cheaper costs help. Also durability is not a concern so having a ski which is burly does not really matter. I also like the development that goes into big brands. You see new tech all the time. Lastly they are easier to sell as more people know them. Just a few reasons I still ski bullshit skis.
Apr 4 2014 5:18AM
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Huck_Norris
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Well like I said- you aren't paying full price nor are you keeping them. Change either of those criteria and I would expect you'd probably feel differently being a man who understands.
Apr 4 2014 10:58AM
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Muggydude
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Talked to one of the ON3P guys yesterday, kind of stuck. Seems like he's a bit of an odd size for the BG, would probably do better on a 180ish ski. Plus it seams that for all the tight trees we have in colorado-and not alway high angle- that the 186 could be a chore for him to ski. Super 7 seems perhaps better suited, but durability (rip outs?) and stability on steep and chop might be a bit of an issue.

we're thinking about waiting until next season to demo (he's in IL right now-so done for this season) some pairs before buying. Just might not be able to save as much money :/

Might look into getting the 100 waist ski for all mountain though. Any suggestions for something that's pretty quick and lively, soft-med, and good in trees and bumps?
Apr 4 2014 11:20AM
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tomPietrowski
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Yeah man I do agree with you. But I do think there are some good skis from the bigger brands, not all but a few.
Apr 4 2014 11:23AM
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BskiP
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4FRNT Raven. Check it out, you won't be disappointed.
Apr 4 2014 11:54AM
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Lemuel
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Debating between ON3P and any ski is useless on NS because everyone has such a boner for ON3P.
Apr 4 2014 5:05PM
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.nasty
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anything but that POS super 7, that thing skis like absolute shit (it's for old guys).
Apr 4 2014 6:13PM
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freeski1620
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Neither of those skis are LIGHT for touring.

I'd go Billy Goat though. S7's are for old guys.
Apr 4 2014 9:18PM
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tomPietrowski
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Why do you say they are for old guys? I know they are a directional ski but not every young guy wants to ride switch. They are a good ski though. They carve well with a very consistent edg hold. They are super light swing weight wise so they are very easy to pivot and smeer making tighter trees ect easy.

They were the second ski to sell out in my company this year behind the soul7 and we had guys shipping them in from where eve they could find them. So maybe it does not suit breck or somthing but it's certainly not just an old man ski.
Apr 5 2014 6:22AM
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davesmatf
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I have some Brand New Armada Norwalks 179 13/14 dimensions 135-140-115-131 19m I'm trying to get rid of let me know if you're interested.
Apr 11 2014 5:23AM
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