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If I'm remembering correctly, the two skis are pretty darn close in flex underfoot. The 114 might just be a little stiffer than the old Jeffrey on a few accounts - new Jeffrey width can effect where the ski wants to flex (try just underfoot if you get a chance); newer ski may be less broken in than the old set that's had a season of hand flexing... I'm just speculating, Scott and crew may have a more definite answer here.
It's a lot of personal preference, so it's hard to answer. For example, I would center mount them at 70/30, others would go -2. Where do you normally mount your all mountain skis?
BWalmerIt's a lot of personal preference, so it's hard to answer. For example, I would center mount them at 70/30, others would go -2. Where do you normally mount your all mountain skis?
Well I usually ski mostly park so I figured I would get a ski that could ski the park any day but I'd take it all over somedays too. Basically I've only had symmetric park skis, so I'm actually thinking about going with the Filthy's again for that reason. I've always mounted center, but I know if they aren't symmetric you shouldn't mount them there.
JD.Well I usually ski mostly park so I figured I would get a ski that could ski the park any day but I'd take it all over somedays too. Basically I've only had symmetric park skis, so I'm actually thinking about going with the Filthy's again for that reason. I've always mounted center, but I know if they aren't symmetric you shouldn't mount them there.
Anyone? I'm really clueless as to where I should mount the Kartel 98 for mainly park, but probably 70:30 park to all mountain/pow.
^ Oh and also I'm wondering if I should even go for the Kartel? Should I get Filthy Riches instead since I'm mainly in the park? Then I would obviously just mount them center.
JD.^ Oh and also I'm wondering if I should even go for the Kartel? Should I get Filthy Riches instead since I'm mainly in the park? Then I would obviously just mount them center.
Kartels will be fine (unless you want a narrow park ski), and center will be good on them. If you're mostly going to use them in the park you'll want the even swing weight, and they'll still crush it all over the mountain.
BWalmerKartels will be fine (unless you want a narrow park ski), and center will be good on them. If you're mostly going to use them in the park you'll want the even swing weight, and they'll still crush it all over the mountain.
Ok so Kartels it is. Ok so is that true center or core center or is there no difference? Anyways, thanks for the help.
I know they are last years skis, but does anyone have an info on mounting the caylor? The recommended looks pretty far forward, maybe its just me who knows. Want to have them mounted so they float pretty well yet can still get funky
*cgski*I know they are last years skis, but does anyone have an info on mounting the caylor? The recommended looks pretty far forward, maybe its just me who knows. Want to have them mounted so they float pretty well yet can still get funky
Trust the recommended.
Remember, the Caylor is more like a freestyle powder ski, so they're set a bit more forward than a standard ski.
I've mounted every pair of On3p's at the recommended line and have yet to regret it. Maybe one of the dudes from On3p can give you a technical explanation as to why, but I second the "trust the recommended line."
Mr.PenguinI've mounted every pair of On3p's at the recommended line and have yet to regret it. Maybe one of the dudes from On3p can give you a technical explanation as to why, but I second the "trust the recommended line."
not one of the on3p dudes but its pretty easy to know why your supposed to mount them on the line... the recommended mark is where the ski is meant to be skied and thats where the ski will preform best based on how it was built and everything that went into it like flex sidecut etc.
basically recommended is recommended cause its built around being skied at that point
As of this very instant, the only skis I'm selling are the Vicik tours. Things could very well change though, and it would also depend on the offers I received.
Shouts out to Sports Page for becoming an ON3P dealer this winter. I got a pair of Filthy Riches from them, so I'm stoked on that. I almost got Kartel 98's but the smallest size they had was 181, which is a tad too big for me.
Brule.Shouts out to Sports Page for becoming an ON3P dealer this winter. I got a pair of Filthy Riches from them, so I'm stoked on that. I almost got Kartel 98's but the smallest size they had was 181, which is a tad too big for me.
For real. I was so pumped when I found out they had them. Yeah, the 181's are also a tad big for me at 5'9" but I have at least another inch in me and possibly 2 (I'm speculating judging by that doctor thingy) so I decided to just do it. I actually almost ended up with the Filthy's.
JD.For real. I was so pumped when I found out they had them. Yeah, the 181's are also a tad big for me at 5'9" but I have at least another inch in me and possibly 2 (I'm speculating judging by that doctor thingy) so I decided to just do it. I actually almost ended up with the Filthy's.
Yeah. The Filthy Rich's seemed lighter to me compared to the Kartel's. Plus with the advantage of a light ski, I was able to get some FKS 120's for the skis, too.
Brule.Yeah. The Filthy Rich's seemed lighter to me compared to the Kartel's. Plus with the advantage of a light ski, I was able to get some FKS 120's for the skis, too.
Brule.Yeah. The Filthy Rich's seemed lighter to me compared to the Kartel's. Plus with the advantage of a light ski, I was able to get some FKS 120's for the skis, too.
JD.I h
Mobile being dumb.
I have STH 12's on them. It should be fine. I only weigh 145ish too.
J.D.^I always think you're me and get freaked out. "WTF? When did I post in that thread?"
Hahaha one day I wanted to change my username to something simple so I chose my initials and saw you had them afterwards. I can change my account name if you want haha.
Brule.Yeah. The Filthy Rich's seemed lighter to me compared to the Kartel's. Plus with the advantage of a light ski, I was able to get some FKS 120's for the skis, too.
I'm fine with 12 din bindings right? I was tempted to go up to 14 because of the heavier ski. You got me worried hahaha
Brule.Yeah. The Filthy Rich's seemed lighter to me compared to the Kartel's. Plus with the advantage of a light ski, I was able to get some FKS 120's for the skis, too.
The weight of the ski should have little impact on the dins of your bindings
i might pick up a pair of 191 billy goats but does anyone know what size fks brakes will best fit them? do i just get the 130mm or do i get the 115mm and try bend them out?
PowPiratei might pick up a pair of 191 billy goats but does anyone know what size fks brakes will best fit them? do i just get the 130mm or do i get the 115mm and try bend them out?
Either will work, but when within a few mm, I prefer to go smaller and tweak them out slightly. I think we've been able to get a 110 on a BG to work out with a bit of effort.
iggyskierEither will work, but when within a few mm, I prefer to go smaller and tweak them out slightly. I think we've been able to get a 110 on a BG to work out with a bit of effort.
DeRizzoOk so Kartels it is. Ok so is that true center or core center or is there no difference? Anyways, thanks for the help.
For the record,
The reason that there's a recommended mount line is that line goes with the sidecut. On a Kartel 98 in a 181, the deepest part of the sidecut reaches the line on your boot at -4cm from true center.
Obviously, people do whatever they want in terms of mounting. For example: Karl rides his Kartels -1cm from true center.
The reason that there's a recommended mount line is that line goes with the sidecut. On a Kartel 98 in a 181, the deepest part of the sidecut reaches the line on your boot at -4cm from true center.
Obviously, people do whatever they want in terms of mounting. For example: Karl rides his Kartels -1cm from true center.
I mounted true center. I'm mostly in the park so that's fine for me, they'll still kill it everywhere else. Also if you look in my picture the bindings are actually a little farther towards the back of the ski, I'm not sure if they are true center that way or the shop just didn't listen to me hahaha.
PowPiratei might pick up a pair of 191 billy goats but does anyone know what size fks brakes will best fit them? do i just get the 130mm or do i get the 115mm and try bend them out?
Definitely the 115s, you can probably get em to fit with just shaving off a bit of plastic on the inside edge of the break. you only really need 2 or 3mm on each side.
jcaDefinitely the 115s, you can probably get em to fit with just shaving off a bit of plastic on the inside edge of the break. you only really need 2 or 3mm on each side.
Good call there--when things are close, this makes way more sense than trying to bend, especially with brittle metal like an FKS or Dynafit brake.
