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Armed men take control of Crimean Airport

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Mr.Sloth
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Happened earlier this morning. Lots of speculation going on as to who they are.
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They're letting the airport function as usual, speak Russian, and are heavily armed/ seem well trained and equipped. Good article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10666893/Ukraine-crisis-live-Russia-admits-its-troops-are-moving-in-Crimea.html
Feb 28 2014 11:36AM
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.MASSHOLE.
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President Putin: Previous governments in Ukraine did not fight cronyism and corruption in the economy, which is why Ukrainians now want to see new faces in the government, but the change of government must be "constitutional and legitimate". (BBC Monitoring)

The irony.

Mar 4 2014 8:12AM
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Bombogenesis
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WHY ARE WE GIVING $1BILLION TO THE UKRAINE?!?!?!



I really hate our government. Really.


We have so many things going on here that need money...failing infrastructure, lack of support programs for military, incredible student debt, a horrible education system for the most part etc etc etc. But we can throw $1Billion toward the Ukraine? This is ludicrous.

And yes, you SHOULD be mad at this because you all will be paying for it if you live in the US. Your taxes will be paying for it and your future will be hurt by these extreme acts of wasteful spending.

Let's help our own country stay afloat before we throw huge amounts of cash at these assbackward eastern Europe shtholes huh?
Mar 4 2014 9:29AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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Yeah this makes hardly any sense. How about instead of giving them money we don't have we give them some debt instead, we got plenty of that.
Mar 4 2014 9:42AM
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feihlination
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i know we are very far far away from it, but from a theoretical standpoint, it would be kind of interesting (also devastating) to watch how a war between the US and russia would look like.

i am pretty sure that neither would want the label of the side which used nuclear weapons first. stilll you dont want to lose soldiers when you can level a city with almost no death toll for your troops.

and if both only use conventional weapons, it would be like two boxers fight each other at like 80% intensity. both know that they dont give it all, they know that the other one still has a lot of reserves, so what do you do? if you turn it up, the other one will turn it up and all of a sudden, the whole planet is destroyed.
Mar 4 2014 9:57AM
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Dustin.
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Ya, a million or two civilians back home is way better for sure.
Mar 4 2014 10:24AM
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Ribss.
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War cannot happen between the worlds superpowers.
Mar 4 2014 1:31PM
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JOP177
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Please be very careful with what you hear from RT - it's the Russian state owned news channel and a conduit through which they spread propaganda.
Mar 4 2014 5:45PM
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Turd.Ferguson
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I cant watch RT news, not because i cant, but because i don't find their information credible. Even in their description it says how they are the first Russian Owned English speaking news agency. Which explains how they have such an easy time getting into Crimea vs every others news agency.

Don't worry, the us will not get physically involved in this because Obama is trying to ease people into his health care plan, and bad war press is something he dosen't exactly need right now.
Mar 4 2014 7:17PM
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Ribss.
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This thread really slowed down.
Mar 4 2014 8:30PM
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yangumane
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yeah, I highly doubt the US will get involved, a conflict in Russia would be the last thing we need right now... even if we did, it would be another Cold War
Mar 4 2014 8:35PM
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skithedirt
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I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not?

If it isn't, you're completely wrong. Many scholars think that sometime in the next 50 or so years that China and the US will go to war. There always has to be a "number 1" the biggest superpower. Currently its the US (obviously). Some say that China (or in this case maybe Russia) will think they're big and bad enough to challenge the top dog and boooooom, war between two super powers.

It is economically feasible? No, Could it happen? Yes.
Mar 5 2014 10:51AM
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yuck
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China could totally take USA, theyd just pour shitty chinese conscripts into their military and not give a fuck about their casualties. they have like 3 times as many military personnel to dispose of and im pretty sure a huge part of the US's 17.5 billion dollar debt is owed to china
Mar 5 2014 10:58AM
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Bombogenesis
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This movie is booooring
Mar 5 2014 11:02AM
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californiagrown
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which makes a war unlikely on economic grounds...a lot of Chinas money is owed them...meaning they dont have it...meaning they cant spend it.

Mar 5 2014 11:03AM
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oakskier
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The amount of stupid in these two sentences is astounding. 1: china could not take USA. 2: numbers don't really matter ( Cruise missiles and attack aircraft > shitty conscripts) 3. They dont even have double the military personnel. 4. You do realize that the USA GDP is over 15 trillion.... so 17.5 billion would mean nothing to them. 5. Their debt is about 16 TRILLION, not billion.
Mar 5 2014 11:52AM
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SFB
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that is actually not true at all, we own the majority of our debt china only own about 8% of our national debt, a large portion of it is in social security. its funny how everyone thinks that we owe china most of your debt when its just not true.
Mar 5 2014 12:21PM
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.Duncan.
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Yeah no, China and Japan both only own about 1.1 trillion of the debt and our military is so much more advanced in terms of weaponry I think we would be fine.
Mar 5 2014 12:25PM
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sherwood4099
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Not even close. They USA has 12 carriers with years of flight op experience. China 1 (old only semi functional and zero experience running operations) our military has 12+ years of combat experience and time to prefect weapons systems. Almost everything we field is more advanced/ capable then China's.
The only thing China has is a shit ton of mediocre soldiers and the funniest part is they neglected to plan how they would transport these masses of troops. They have almost no refined heavy lift capabilities or modern troop transport platforms. They would have a very hard time invading any country. Let alone the US
Mar 5 2014 12:32PM
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Ribss.
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Yeah this thread sucks now.
Mar 5 2014 3:22PM
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Shredsterr
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At the same time, China could easily be concealing any military advantages they have...
Mar 5 2014 6:55PM
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californiagrown
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like what? sattelites do a pretty good job of keeping an ey on those folks.
Mar 5 2014 7:06PM
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RJ_Res
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Could happen, but it would never be a full out war, as both sides have nukes so MAD comes into play. Same reason why the USA and the Soviet Union never actually fought and the cold war remained "cold". When dealing with nukes there always has to be a balance which a true war would destroy.
Mar 5 2014 7:52PM
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JOP177
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Had to do some searching to find this again - pretty interesting read on how invading the US is just shy of impossible:

http://www.vice.com/read/we-asked-a-military-expert-if-the-whole-world-could-conquer-the-united-states

Mar 5 2014 8:23PM
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AT-AT
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Has Russia came forward and actually said that they are in Crimea?
Mar 5 2014 8:26PM
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JOP177
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Negatory.

Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed reporters on Tuesday regarding military intervention into Ukraine, asserting that the armed groups occupying Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula are not Russian soldiers but rather local, pro-Russian "self-defense" forces.

The 'armed groups' have weapons unique to the Russian military and have been flying Mi-24 helicopters around the Crimean peninsula.  Amazing that ordinary citizens have such advanced equipment..
Mar 5 2014 8:32PM
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Dustin.
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If any theoretical enemy of ours has awesome weapons, it's China.
Mar 5 2014 11:43PM
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.Duncan.
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I was under the assumption China has the same level of technology but none of the organizational mastery or scale in advanced weaponry that we do. I read that they have 800 or so type 99 tanks while we have something like 3k M1 Abrams A3s.

You're the pilot though right, you know this better than anyone in this thread.
Mar 6 2014 1:38AM
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skithedirt
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MAD does come into play, but sometimes I feel that one government (could be China or Russia) is just gonna say fuck it and do it.
Mar 6 2014 2:57PM
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skithedirt
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"China could totally take the USA" is a crazy bold statement. The most powerful military in the world belongs to the US. No one could "Take the USA" by themselves. They do have three times the personnel but there's no way they would even stand a remote chance.

The US does owe a lot of money to china, but they export a shit ton of stuff to the US and vice versa. If the US and China went to war both sides would lose a shit ton of cash mulah. Like I said earlier in this thread, it has a very remote chance of happening. But, China cant handle the US militarily currently.
Mar 6 2014 3:02PM
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Blindsurfer
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nuclear strike threatened. the end of the world is coming. herd goats, hoard cinnamon and pepper, and only travel at night. its been nice knowing you NS
Mar 6 2014 5:13PM
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Dustin.
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Mar 6 2014 7:09PM
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_DUSTY_
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From my understanding China's two 5th gen fighter programs still rely on Russian jet engines and advanced radar. There are also reports of China obtaining technological information on the F-35, however I am not sure sure how credible these reports are. Wouldn't this suggest that China's technological capabilities still rely heavily on other countries? Does this mean that there is still a decent sized technological gap between China and the US?

It seems Russia is setting up a contingency with China to weaken the effects of Western sanctions on it's economy:

Mar 7 2014 11:04AM
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Ribss.
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Well this WAS boring, things are heating up now with more American Jet Fighters and a US Naval Destroyer in the area now.
Mar 7 2014 6:08PM
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Mr.Sloth
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Crimea annexed by Russia

Russia troops storm Ukrainian military base, one Ukrainian shot

More to follow
Mar 18 2014 11:38AM
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GayWolf420
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for real?
Mar 18 2014 11:40AM
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Blurst
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Do a tiny bit of fucking research if you dont trust him. Its an easy google search away.
Mar 18 2014 11:49AM
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Mr.Sloth
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For real

The shooting is still unconfirmed but I've seen it plenty of places. The West is shitting themselves.


Also, Gorbachev, remember him? He goes up to bat for Crimea: http://rt.com/news/mistake-fixed-crimea-gorbachev-422/

Mar 18 2014 11:51AM
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LiquorLanch
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I read a book, can't quite remember what it was called; but it is essentially all about how the chinese have been infiltrating our weapons labs and programs and stealing information for years.
Mar 18 2014 11:54AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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So for a politically inept person what does this mean? So Russia just pretty much told the Ukraine "Fuck you we are now taking Crimea" and attack a base? Is the base in Crimea or in the Ukraine? What does this mean for the U.S.?
Mar 18 2014 11:56AM
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Mr.Sloth
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Some reading:


Mar 18 2014 12:02PM
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GayWolf420
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u r mean ;(
Mar 18 2014 12:02PM
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Mr.Sloth
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Noononononono

A few days ago Crimea held a referendum (a popular vote) on whether they wanted to stay with Ukraine or declare independence. As predicted, they voted for independence. This morning, the President-figure of Crimea signed a treaty with Putin annexing Crimea into the Russian Federation.

The shooting, well, we don't know much about.
Mar 18 2014 12:07PM
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Mr.Sloth
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BBC Reporting one killed:

Mar 18 2014 12:10PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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Alright thanks for clearing that up. I knew Crimea wanted to join the Russian Federation, was just unclear how it was going to happen.


The shooting though...
Mar 18 2014 1:29PM
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Shredsterr
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The one thing about that referendum was that more people voted than there are citizens in crimea...so more than 100% of the population voted. Kinda janky.
Mar 18 2014 7:18PM
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Turd.Ferguson
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this whole thing is going to shit.

in the next 12-24 months chinas economy is supposed to fall on its ass, which could topple our brittle economy,which leaves us no possibility of being able to defend other countries Russia has its eye on. and other countries rely on us which could keep them from attacking.

WW3
Mar 18 2014 9:00PM
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feihlination
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but what if illinois votes to join canada?

this stuff isnt binding at all.
Mar 19 2014 6:40AM
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_DUSTY_
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Ukraine has authorized its troops opening fire in self defence against Russian's, besides that I don't think that there is much more to it. The only way that can turn sour is if a Russian soldier is killed and Russia uses that as an excuse move its troops across the Ukrainian border, I don't think that will happen though especially since Russia hasn't "officially" admitted to having troops in Crimea.
Mar 19 2014 1:44PM
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