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Matt Margetts Donation Discussion

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will_powder
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It's annoying as hell to debate in the comments section. Move here.

GO
Oct 2 2013 2:06PM
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NSwidow
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You seem butthurt. Speaking out of pain because he didn't want your constant facebook status' of "Like for a TBH LOLZ" filling his news feed? Can't imagine why he wouldn't want to be your 'friend', you seem like a riot.

Stay in school.
Oct 6 2013 3:55AM
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B.Aussie
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Someone please tell me what job I can work to make 20k + living expenses in a couple of months...
Oct 6 2013 4:29AM
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NSwidow
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I think it's pretty obvious. It starts with P and rhymes with Constitution.
Oct 6 2013 4:53AM
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Saga.
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Alaskan fishing boats? Or gold mining maybe?
Oct 6 2013 5:13AM
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youRsmellA
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i....i....is that you jesus? the part about the judging is so spot on, if you kids could sit in on that shit you would never bother watching a comp again
Oct 6 2013 5:20AM
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gnarles.
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my dads friends where going to the olympics for sailing but had to eventually drop out because they couldnt afford it. they spent thousands of dollars trying to get in and ounce the option of getting in was there they just ran out of money. so shitty that they where so close and money was the only problem stopping them.
Oct 6 2013 5:27AM
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Mr.Bishop
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You know, in the end this turned out pretty positive for him. In the time that this was blasting on the homepage the campaign jumped to over $14k. So I'm sure he can trim a few expenses and be good to go.

Looks like its slowed down a touch now, but still... I'd say regardless of what people think popular opinion is - the community reached out and supported Matt.

Oct 6 2013 10:28AM
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t_rob
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What does matt really want to do? Who are you to be telling matt what he should be doing?

How about instead of being mad about one of the many directions the sport is being pushed in, why don't you push it in a way you want it to go. All I'm reading is whine, whine, whine without anyone offering alternatives. Don't expect to win any debates that way.

And as I said before, skiing never forced anyone to do anything a certain way. The only rule of skiing is that you have a board strapped to each one of your feet, the rest is up to you. You can do the Olympics or you can ski urban or pillows or if you really want you can do them all.

Oct 6 2013 11:19AM
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Jibberino
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Everything is relative, if you wanna take a global perspective then yes, skiing is a rich mans sport. However in this discussion I don't find much use for such a large perspective. A global perspective will make any activity we partake in a rich mans activity. I find it more useful to take a more regional approach, such as comparing Europe to North America, and in this case, like I said before, the sport of skiing is much more attainable, both financially and logistically, for Europeans. This whole thing has more to do with social models than skiing, but I do believe it is relevant in shining light on why Margetts needs to fundraise.

I agree that it is Margetts prerogative to start a fundraising campaign, and it is the public's prerogative whether or not they want to donate. I just believe that the fact that he needs to fundraise exposes deeper rooted problems concerning freestyle skiings participation in the Olympics.
Oct 6 2013 11:55AM
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californiagrown
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commercial fishing...off the top of my head
Oct 6 2013 12:47PM
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seanahue.
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@B.Aussi

But, like I said in my OP, Team Canada has pretty much left Margetts (and other athletes in the same position) out to dry if they haven't provided some sort of work-partnership program
Oct 6 2013 2:54PM
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Drail
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commercial fishing
sport fishing lodges
silviculture (treeplanting, brushing, slash pile burning, beetle probing, surveying, etc)
forest fire fighting (if it's a good fire season)

there's plenty more, but those 4 were off the top of my head, go from April till November and give you a lay off at the end of the season.
Oct 6 2013 6:44PM
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Drail
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I'm just gonna share this link.

http://www.waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html?m=1

Think about it.
Oct 6 2013 6:53PM
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californiagrown
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fukcing highest of fives, My Man!!!!
Oct 6 2013 9:04PM
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loganimlach
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that's a great fucking read.
Oct 6 2013 9:22PM
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theabortionator
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Peoples sense of entitlement these days kills me. The world owes me something. Also people that are down to fuck everyone over that get's in the path to what they feel they deserve.

Sorry people but the world doesn't owe you anything.


Oct 7 2013 3:28AM
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Parrish
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Does the site he's using work like kickstarter and he only gets the money if he reaches his goal?

At this point he's for sure going to make it, 17K raised with 53 days left. I don't think he's going to have a problem.


(im not agreeing or disagreeing with the subject of the campaign im just asking about the site)
Oct 7 2013 4:38PM
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tride
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The assumptions being made all over this thread are simply astounding. Just picked this one out of the hat as an example.

Nobody has to pay anything or go to any camps to be considered to be on the olympic team. The team is chosen based on nothing other than competition results.

People totally can, as you say "train on their own, compete, place well enough and be qualified".

Matt obviously feels that his best chance of success in comps is to put a significant investment into his training and preparation.

The real important thing here that EVERYONE seems to be missing, is that this training he is undertaking, is not "just for the Olympics". It is simply the path that he believes will serve him best to be as good as he can possibly be at competing in skiing halfpipe - Including: Dew Tours, Grand Prix, XGames, Olympics, etc.

It is obviously being labeled as an Olympic fundraiser because the majority of the world has a lot more respect and appreciation for the Olympics than any other freesking event. The notion of supporting an athlete who is competing for more than just themselves, but their country as well, makes a much better sales pitch, and is a cause that countless people will feel very good about supporting.

Oct 7 2013 8:20PM
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t_rob
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Dew Tour, X games, and Grand Prix results are all considered in the Canadian team selection process so it is really one in the same. Last year's X games and Dew Tour results are part of reason Riddle has a spot.

Yeah, training should improve his skiing and help him out in any contest but you can't say he says he's training for the olympics but he's really just training for some other events because those events count.

The Canadian team is going to be announced on January 19th. Xgames is the week after.
Oct 7 2013 8:47PM
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tride
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The point is that if there wasn't an Olympics this year and instead his goal was to win the XGames, he would still go through the same training process to try and prepare to do that.

Training to win the Olympics is not a DIFFERENT thing than training to win the XGames, it's the EXACT same thing, it's just training to try and be the best pipe skier.
Oct 7 2013 9:09PM
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loganimlach
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That is actually an excellent point. So I guess the big question is, if Matt wins the X Games with this (or any other big check) and collect on his podium incentives, does he return everyone's money?

I'm curious. I should hope so.
Oct 7 2013 9:18PM
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freelowda
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Great point all around. Though I highly doubt he would be doing this if the Olympics weren't in the picture.
Oct 7 2013 10:01PM
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californiagrown
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ooohh. Great question! Does matt plan to payback his "sponsors" with the comp money he wins(if he wins any)?
Oct 7 2013 11:47PM
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ndye
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I would like to see something along the lines of a donation to a small mountain or children's program related to freeskiing. To give back to the sport which is where he was asking for money to begin with.
Oct 7 2013 11:52PM
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Huck_Norris
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Ok well that's got me curious- many checks has Level 1 gotten back from your podium finishes? I wonder if Dale will sponsor any Somali orphans or if Henrik's X Games winnings trickled down to any Jamaican emphysema clinics yet.



Honestly who cares? Why you are all of a sudden a moral beacon of all that is good and charitable I have no idea and the notion that you would would demand that Matt track down every $25 donor and give it all back or expect that he give it all to charity is pretty silly to me. Why are you so upset that he was able to crowdsource funding instead of get it from some corporate sponsor?


I just don't see you freaking out about anybody else's money when their way has been paid by sponsors too- Do you pay back Level 1 when you take a podium? I'm honestly curious if this is normal practice because I feel like it wouldn't be but I could be wrong so that's why I'm asking.
Oct 8 2013 9:21AM
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Turkelton
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Because Logan podiums
Oct 8 2013 9:25AM
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Huck_Norris
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While I agree with this 100%, that should be the case all the time... Not just right now.
Oct 8 2013 9:25AM
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loganimlach
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A. I never podium in anything except drinking competitions.

B. Why would I pay anyone back when I don't beg for anything? The only checks that have ever gotten cut for me are some travel reimbursements and incentive checks for the movies from at the most two of my sponsors In a given year.

C. I'm not some moral beacon, far from it. I'm fucking naive, brash, and voice my opinion on the Internet because I like to have these conversations. You on the other hand, you can't even formulate a coherent thought and haven't done so in any thread I've ever seen you post in.

Dumbass.
Oct 8 2013 9:50AM
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danbrown
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is that a challenge
Oct 8 2013 10:00AM
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skodeo7
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Why the hell would he return people's money? It's a donation not an investment.
Oct 8 2013 10:00AM
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ndye
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what he means is that if matt achieves his goal (podiums at x or another big event to qualify for the Olympics), he will no longer have money issues, and the people who helped him out will have gotten him to where he needs to be. No one is saying a positive return on the investment.

Say you are hurting for cash and your friend gives (same as donates) to you 50 bucks to pay your electric bill. Nicest guy ever. If you continue hurting, your friend isnt going to expect you to give that money back. However, if you were to make fat stacks that next week, it would probably be kinda nice to throw 50 bucks back at him.
Oct 8 2013 10:07AM
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skodeo7
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I'm well aware of what he's saying. I'm just saying this is a bit different than asking your buddy to help you pay the bills. It's a donation, plain and simple.
Oct 8 2013 10:22AM
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Huck_Norris
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It was a rhetorical question. You would never give that money back if you won and we all know it- and you shouldn't imo. Why would he pay anyone back if they all willfully gave just because they wanted to see the guy succeed rather than fail when his sponsors shit the bed on him at the last minute? Also some of the paybacks were pretty cool imo, so they did "get something" if you want to be technical.


I seriously think you're the person who's the most bothered by this. You can call me a dumbass all you want, I'm just trying to figure out why you're so upset that people didn't just kick him to the gutter so they could derive personal satisfaction in his failure for not selling out for their own dreams- when simply letting go of the anger and being happy that a fellow skier is getting some much needed help from the community you owe much of your own success to is so much more productive and positive in general.

I mean, is there something we don't know? Did Matt leave you at the altar? Bang your sister and never call her again?? I mean damn dude, woo sah. No wonder he never came in here to talk about the decision.






Oct 8 2013 10:32AM
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Jibberino
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Complete failure to understand the difference between charity and business.
Oct 8 2013 12:08PM
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Huck_Norris
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Bahahahahaha... Ok there guy. Whatever you say!

Oct 8 2013 1:14PM
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onenerdykid
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Wow this is a mega shit show... I don't even know where to begin, but I guess I will comment on the fact that pro skiers get paid shit. Honestly. It's ridiculous how little money there is in "freeskiing" . We live in a world where the premiere big mountain skiers of our time pay for their own heli time out of their own pocket, so I can totally understand Matt's needs to ask for help in getting to by far the most expensive stage in skiing.

You all need to understand that freeskiing is poor as shit. This is not football, this is not soccer, this is not cycling, this is not tennis, this is not even skateboarding... I would even go so far as to wager that handball has more money flowing through it. On top of that, it requires an insane amount of training to stay competitive at the highest level of skiing. How on earth you think he could afford to raise that much money on his own in that short of a time period and stay fit enough to compete an Olympic level is bat shit insane.


Oct 8 2013 2:24PM
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theabortionator
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This thread is pulling people out of the woodwork left and right.

Oct 8 2013 2:34PM
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Pipe_Munky
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Pretty much this!
Oct 8 2013 2:49PM
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heFF
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with 52 days left and only about 2.5k left to raise..I'd say he was pretty successful.
Oct 8 2013 3:14PM
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TheMeccaMovement
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It's sad that the snowsports world gives so much to some and so little to others. The real problem here is a demand with no supply from companies and organisations with well enough funds to cover every cost they have their fingers in. This is what happens when Idols are created and are "supposedly" supposed to be paid more and leave less for the rest of the community.
Oct 8 2013 3:25PM
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Jibberino
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You got me there, how will I ever recover from that well informed and snappy comeback.
Oct 8 2013 4:39PM
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Byron_tha_gr8
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Oct 8 2013 7:14PM
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theabortionator
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I mean if you're sponsoring people you're probably going to pay the guy that everyone cares about a little more. If he's the reason your product is flying off the shelves you're getting a much larger return on your investment.


If it's just about hooking people up and not business then I can see that though.
Oct 8 2013 7:29PM
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Huck_Norris
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I was actually joking but that's fucking awesome!


It's like doubling down but with ski stoke.
Oct 8 2013 9:22PM
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crawley
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Do you honestly believe that!!!!!!!! Ignorant wouldn't even begin to describe that comment.

If you win pipe at the x games, you sure up a sponsor for the next 2 years, probably pocket $50k somehow between prize money and sponsor bonuses.

If you win pipe at the Olympics you set your family up for the rest of your life. You instantly become a world wide celebrity, and have 12 months to make almost endless money endorsing stuff in hundreds of countries around the world.

How fucking stupid you sound suggesting you would prepare for those events the same. X games would be worth a few months of training and working hard. Olympics would be worth dedicating your life for 2+ years and training 24 hours a day, adjusting everything you do to peak for that one day that may change you, your kids, and your grandkids lives for centuries.

You can hate the olympics, I think they are lame and prefer a bluebird day with 2 feet of fresh, but at least act like you have some perspective when describing people giving everything they have to compete in them.

Oct 8 2013 9:48PM
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Don.Cartagena
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Jeez I haven't posted anything non-troll related for quite some time, but I couldn't help but notice and appreciate the clear distinction between the credence of a few opinions above and beyond others in this thread.

Gen Y has produced a state of emotionally fragile narcissists, ill-equipped to deal with the weight of reality due to the 'yes-man', 'think positive' mentality employed by our parents. Negative feelings are alienated as character qualities and are transfixed as being unhealthy, when they are not, they are normal. So when Margetts' parents tell him the world is his oyster and to follow his dreams and he can't set a foot wrong, expect him to be nicely but hurt by the real world.

PS:

Logan (fuck your last name) -I'd like to shake the fuck out of your hand.

Drail -Right on.

Iberg -Maybe you should roll up the whole Inspired Media thing and smoke it, or at least ask Tanner nicely to think for maybe 3 seconds in advance before speaking so you all (as his stoner minions) don't all come across like a bunch of mixed message fags.

Spriggs -If you had a day job I'd say stick to it.

Huck Norris -Shut the fuck up.




Oct 9 2013 8:41AM
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CKpolicy
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some know-it-all, greater-than-thou, blanket statement bullshit, but ok.
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