Only 1 of the 20 richest women made her own fortune.. (shes #17)

Oh. I think that alimony is fair. it is awarded in instances where there are children and the mother (sometimes father) is a stay at home mom or doesn't make very much money, or in instances with no children where someone makes significantly less than the other. It also takes into account in certani situations where women make less money than men.

I think it is fair, because if you go into a marriage with the understanding that one person will be the breadwinner and the other person will raise the children or take care of the home, etc. then the person who is not the breadwinner is set up for failure if the marriage ends. 

Le's say a guy meets a gal, they get married with the understanding that the man is going to work and the woman is going to stay home with the children.  She supports him by raising his children and maintaining the home while he goes out and works his way up the coorporate ladder.  They've decided this works for them and are assuming they will be together forever.  Then the marriage ends.  Well at that point the woman has been set up for failure-- she could have spent those years working her own way up the corporate ladder but didn't, because they had an arrangement and one that they both assumed would last forever. Now she has no source of income and is on her own with children to raise...(this is just an example...obviously there are many types of families, some where the woman is the breadwinner and the man is a stay at home dad, some same sex marriages, etc.)

you get the picture.

Either way, alimony isn't automatically awarded, the court takes in all the specifics and tries to make a fair determination.  It also just happens to usually be awarded to women, the law doesn't specify that it needs to be though.  The goal of the law is to make sure that divorce doesn't leave the world with a bunch of broke single parents struggling to get by. You vowed to share your life with that person until you die, I guess even divorce can't always break that vow.

Fuck I didnt even realize that fat old witch wasnt self made. There isnt anyone more deserving of a cleated punt to the cunt than her

of course you do, I think that the law that used to said i could beat my wife was also a fair, we should bring that back.

i could give you 1,000's of story about how that's unfair. my grandfather who started his own company and sold it is a self made millionaire. he was married a 2nd girl for 22 years, and got divorced at 75 I think she's about 68 they have no kids together and wasn't around during the time he ran his company. 2 years ago my uncle died of brain cancer, and my grandfather used his money to pay for the treatment of his son it was a lot of money. during the divorcee, she said and i quote. i want an extra 120,000$ because that money he spent on his sons cancer treatment was also my money and i didn't say it was ok for him to spend it. have you ever talk to any guy that lost his house, and has to pay his wife over 10,000$ a month while she sits on her ass and does nothing, because in Westchester that happens a lot. The girl gets the kids because the dad was working therefore the woman keeps the house, and gets child support, and gets alimony. so yeah we get paid a dollar more an hour. Am i saying men should get paid more for the same job no that was a joke, but cut me a break alimony is fair.

well your point of view isn't biased and based on personal circumstances at all....and the beating the wife thing....ummm ok.

I said alimony was fair, I didn't say your bitch of a grandma was.

And what's this supposed to mean?

The laws don't even apply to me so I'm being biased based on my own circumstances like you are.  Me and my husband make the exact same amount of money. We make our decisions mutually and have mutual respect for one another, I'm sorry that you've only witnessed botched relationships.

I really don't understand how you never learned this, and that's not the point of this thread i don't want to argue with you about the outdated laws of divorce. It was to point out that woman complain about unequal treatment only when it negatively effects them.

You're really all about talking down to people aren't you?  The above statement is sexist. 

You started this conversation assuming you knew what my viewpoint was..... "just out of curiosity.." You weren't curious, you thought you knew my point of view at that point, and just wanted me to say it so that you could talk down to me because apparently you have some sort of deep rooted problem with women in general when it comes to divorce and money.  Don't take your shit out on me, man. You asked what my opinion on it was and I told you and you started talking to me like an asshole. I'm not your grandma, nor am I your wife trying to screw you over to chill out. I am allowed to have my own opinions without getting bulldozed by a sexist jerk.

I don't think that alimony is fair because it affects women positively.  I stated my reason and they weren't because I want men to get screwed over, or women to get the better end of the deal. I stated that I felt that in certain circumstances it may be necessary to make both parties come out of the divorce with a fair resolution.

As far as your grandfather goes...if he made his money prior to marrying her that is considered non-marital property. 

so I'm not*

well that was your point of view so i was right in thinking that. you could have said, yes i do understand that divorce laws are outdated and unfair and should be changed to be equal. Then i would have said to myself O ok I can respect that.

being trolled is so annoying:

Troll: tell me what you think about ____

I think this______

Troll: of course you do you're so stupid!

No I'm not, I'm just expressing my opinions

Troll: stop talking to me about this, its not even the point of the thread and I don't want to talk about it.

You brought it up

Troll: Jimmies Rustled meme.

Divorce and Custody laws for men are shitty, yes, and the fact that in the latter case more often than not the mother recieves custody based on the archaic notion that women are natural better caregivers is anti-feminist by definition, since it is a gender essentialist argument. They might as well have legislated "women must be barefoot and pregnant" by that logic. There's no need to create any arbitrary separation of feminist or MRA dogma here in order to define our arguments.

I don't disagree with you at all. I just know that the reason Divorce lawyers are so expensive is it isn't as black and white as you get what was yours before the marriage and split what you had together. I don't think there is anything wrong with alimony or woman getting money from before the marriage or anything.

The only thing I wish would be different about divorce law (once again not that I know anything about it) is the circumstances of the divorce. If a women is faithful to her billionaire husband for the whole 6 months they are together and her asshole husband is constantly having affairs, I don't see anything wrong with the woman getting his money from before they were together. It's just a tax for putting up with his stupid rich ass.