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Saw this on untracked when I was browsing around. ARV 165. Wish they made this in a 178-181. 185 to long and 175 to short for me. I'm sad to see this ski go. Armadas last full cambered, full sidewall ski.http://www.untracked.com/p4767c11b114-13_armada_arv_all_mountain_skis.html