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Texas getting sued over voter id law

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Jeebus.
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This is truly outrageous, you should have to show a valid id to vote in every state.
I'm sure some dumb liberal has some retarded reason why voters shouldnt have to show id, so lets here it.
Aug 25 2013 4:27PM
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Huck_Norris
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So what you're saying is that although there is nothing wrong with the system as it stands now, we should be striving to be more like Brazil?


Interdasting.
Aug 26 2013 3:39PM
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PacificRimJob
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It's not a slippery slope per-se. It's more just turning the question back on you.

Regardless, you already have to be ID'd to register to vote. Why should you have to show your ID a second time when you actually vote.

You don't have to show your ID at every turn for everything else. This is all to prevent a non-problem, that being voter fraud - which doesn't exist as a serious problem, especially in contrast to how low voter turnout tends to be as it is.
Aug 26 2013 3:50PM
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Mr.Huck
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From your perspective there is nothing wrong with the system. Whether or not voter fraud is taking place is actually irrelevant. The FACT that there are many people in this country who believe that voter fraud is occurring and are losing faith in the voting process is reason enough for the government to do something. Voter ID's do nothing but preserve the integrity of the voting process, or at least make it tougher to engage in voter fraud.

It is a FACT that Voter Fraud does occur in this country. You are arguing that, because the number of cases of voter fraud is so small, everyone should just blow it off. As others have pointed out, the number of speeding tickets issued per year is not a realistic gauge of how many people speed on a regular basis is it? Just because people aren't getting caught does not mean that it isn't happening and that it hasn't had an impact on election results.

You made a point about the importance of Democracy. We are actually a Republic, but when people lose faith in the voting process, you nolonger have anything that resembles a democracy.
Aug 26 2013 3:58PM
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PacificRimJob
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People aren't losing faith over the voting system due to fraud. (well, maybe if they're glued to Fox News, which generally focuses on everything that nobody else is talking about) they're losing faith because they have to get off their ass and/or go somewhere where they're going to have to stand in a line for 3 or 4 hours just to be told they can't vote anyways.

If the government really wants to do something, it would figure out how to make it so everyone who does actually want to vote, gets a vote in that actually counts.
Aug 26 2013 4:03PM
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Mr.Huck
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So you are saying that we should discriminate against anyone who watches Fox News, because anyone who watches Fox News is an idiot and their vote shouldn't count anyway.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/08/23/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-august-22-2013/198986/

Feel free to look at the stats, but 3 times as many people watch fox news than any other cable news source. But they must all be idiots so it really doesn't matter right?
Aug 26 2013 4:16PM
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howlongcanausern
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...mail-in ballots.

intelligent, not shitty states (oregon and washington) have been doing this for years. it's a much better system then going to a central location and voting
Aug 26 2013 4:19PM
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Huck_Norris
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Yeah but that actually fixes a real problem without excluding anyone... Why in the world would anyone push for that??
Aug 26 2013 4:35PM
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cowofawesome
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If I wanted to fly to another country but I lost my passport the day before, it sucks to be me and I should have kept track of it, but I wouldn't blame the government for denying my right to go to a different country. It's my fault.

If you lost your ID a couple days before voting day, there's no reason you can get mad at the government for denying your rights. They gave you the right to vote, you just decided not to take it seriously enough to keep good track of your wallet.
Aug 26 2013 4:36PM
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PacificRimJob
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BUT YOU CAN'T ID A MAIL IN BALLOT OMG! SO MUCH FRAUD CAN HAPPEN!

California does it too. I've mailed in twice. It's pretty nice, especially for those rural folk, or if you're going to school out of state (like I did, going to school in OR and being a CA resident)


Aug 26 2013 4:38PM
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J.D.
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Well...

Your move buddy.

Aug 26 2013 4:47PM
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PacificRimJob
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^what he said.
Aug 26 2013 4:57PM
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PacificRimJob
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Also, where the hell did I say we should discriminate?

All I said was that the only people who really think voter fraud is the main issue are drinking the Rupert Murdoch kool-aid...


Aug 26 2013 5:06PM
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Benson.
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This argument is still going?
Aug 26 2013 6:03PM
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Mr.Huck
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More media matter bullshit. They are talking about families. Juan Williams is liberal for fuck's sake, and Doug Schoen has been one of the most influential Democratic campaign consultants for over thirty years.. The discussion is about the disintegration of stable family environments, and the impacts it is having. I don't agree with Erick Erickson, and by no means do I agree with the opinions of everyone that fox has on. My wife makes way more money than I do right now, and I have been a stay at home dad for periods of time.

Juan was making the point that it is is having a huge impact on minorities. Last I checked, he was African American. There are tons of things that I disagree with Juan on, but I respect him and I think he is completely right on this.

All I know is that these two people would still be alive today, if the teenagers who killed them last week had parents who actually gave 2 shits about them.

Christopher Lane - Australian Baseball Player
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Delbert Belton - World War II veteran wounded on Okinawa
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Aug 26 2013 7:02PM
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howlongcanausern
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*were white
Aug 26 2013 7:12PM
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Mr.Huck
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Racist much? Hard to believe you could be that much of a paste eating moron. Kind of hoping you get banned for that.
Aug 26 2013 7:16PM
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i havent read a single post in this thread but can no one have posted this pic yet?
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straight derp face meme quality photo right her^
Aug 26 2013 7:19PM
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Huck_Norris
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What in the everloving fuck are you talking about?

Aug 26 2013 7:48PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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Cool ad hominem, irrelevant fact, and ad hominem. I hope you write like that for school.
Aug 26 2013 9:48PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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Stupid question. I answer it in the post you quoted. If you don't have ID, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. What's so hard to understand?

In case you haven't noticed, the US has a national debt of $16 trillion. Maybe it's time we start evaluating the intelligence of those who select the people who manage our money.


Aug 26 2013 9:54PM
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Benson.
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I saw that you posted in this thread and immediately thought to myself...

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Aug 26 2013 10:55PM
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PacificRimJob
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Exactly what I'm trying to figure out. I read that post and I seriously cant make sense of what the point was.

All of a sudden we're talking about how some black kids had bad parents and therefore killed people?
Aug 26 2013 11:12PM
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PacificRimJob
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So... there should be an IQ test in order to vote, too?


Aug 26 2013 11:15PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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No, I've finished school. I have a doctorate in political science.
Aug 26 2013 11:16PM
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PacificRimJob
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Can anyone name another democracy where you have to bring an ID in order to vote?
Aug 26 2013 11:16PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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An IQ test? No.

But there should be a test that shows you actually know the ideologies of the people you're voting for. That way we can't have 20 million fucking idiots voting for Obama just because he's black or 20 million fucking idiots voting for Romney just because his opponent is black. And maybe force people to give a definition of the words "creditor" and "debtor."
Aug 26 2013 11:22PM
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Jeebus.
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Ireland, Switzerland, Canada, and syria but nobody cares about them.
Good article, you should get learned. You probably won't read it though, because we all know liberals don't read or listen to anything they don't agree with especially when they are wrong.
Aug 26 2013 11:24PM
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Mr.Huck
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I forgot. You get all your news from Rachel Maddow. Didn't mean to confuse you with stories that she doesn't cover. Go on about your business. If you get bored, you could google the names and learn about what happened to them.
Aug 26 2013 11:27PM
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PacificRimJob
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Oh, what a badass... telling me I need to get learned. It was an honest question.

Either way, not going to read it mostly because it's one opinion in one paper. There's a million papers on a million sides, and I don't really have the time nor care to get scholarly on this subject.

And enough of your liberal bashing. It's pretty damn old.
Aug 26 2013 11:32PM
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Jeebus.
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Exactly. This right there is the problem, Liberal media outlets only choose to run stories that benefit their cause. Now you could argue the fox news does the same, yes of course they do. But they choose to run stories that no other news source will run, because sometimes the media needs to be a little more balanced than it is.
Aug 26 2013 11:35PM
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PacificRimJob
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Are you joking?

God, why don't you suck Murdoch's dick just a little harder.
Aug 26 2013 11:38PM
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Jeebus.
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Hahaha what? If you don't what you're talking about and are not willing to even learn about it, Then why even try to debate it? You just completely contradicted yourself. And you wonder why I am bashing on liberals? you sir, just answered that for yourself.
Aug 26 2013 11:41PM
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Jeebus.
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How am i joking? Why don't you point out the flawed logic for me? It's an undeniable fact that the majority of television news outlets are liberally biased. A 12 year old could make that simple observation...
Aug 26 2013 11:44PM
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PacificRimJob
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Yeah yeah, you're trying to make me look bad. The thing is, it's not that I don't know what I'm talking about, it's that I don't care to read every single article about it. I feel like I've read enough into it to gather an opinion about it. I don't need to get scholarly and write a fucking paper. Yet another periodical isn't going to just flip the switch.

You bash on liberals because they disagree with you, and then you think all of them pay attention to MSNBC. It's a typical retort from a unabashed Fox News viewer such as yourself.
Aug 26 2013 11:48PM
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PacificRimJob
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It's not that they are 'liberally based'. It's just that they aren't conservative enough for the taste of the neo-con mindset.

Either way, now we're trending towards the whole debate on media. That horse has been beaten senseless.
Aug 26 2013 11:51PM
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Jeebus.
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You're doing a pretty good job of making yourself look bad, guy. You say you have read enough articles huh? Just how many of those articles were from a conservative point of view? I bash on liberals because of people like you, people who think they know everything about a political topic, then repeatedly prove themselves to be completely ignorant to the topic that they are trying to debate.
Aug 26 2013 11:53PM
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Jeebus.
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Good god, man. You are completely oblivious to how our media is biased. Not conservative enough? You must be kidding, They are not conservative at all. Here is a quick google definition of the word bias for you. If you can't see that CNN and most TV news stations fall into that, then there is simply no hope for you.

bi·as
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noun
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    prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
Aug 26 2013 11:58PM
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Jeebus.
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Yup, and he is doing a very poor job in both of them.
Aug 27 2013 12:04AM
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Jeebus.
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Ah see right there, no logical reasoning has been presented by dingosean to support his opinion.
Aug 27 2013 12:11AM
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PacificRimJob
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Haha, Gus. How else do you expect an NS thread with political overtones to turn out... besides. It's August.

Either way, child please. You're trying to 'get me learned' on some English now? I know you're trying to insult me, but it's just boring.

The media doesn't only include cable news networks, and big media conglomerations. There's a LOT of media out there pertaining to topics in this country. Fox News and Sarah Palin and Tea Party jaggoffs might point out rhetoric like "The Liberal Media", but it's just to talk about any and all media that isn't directly that of theirs. I'd hardly call the bias of the media in this country to be swung directly one way or the other. It's pretty radical in all sorts of directions as mass media has grown outside of traditional sources and into more localized outfits with the exponentially increasing growth of internet opinions.

Also, if we are going to speak about cable news networks, then I'm just going to have to go out on a limb and say that Ted Turner would beat the piss out of Rupert Murdoch if they ever had that fist fight that he challenged. That would be far more fun.
Aug 27 2013 12:13AM
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PacificRimJob
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See, this is the thing, though. Nobody has to worry about not having ID to vote, since you need to already have it in order to register (Least in the places I've registered...)

The issue is that you have to show it a SECOND time, even though you're showing up with your voting packet that was sent to your address based on that of your ID. Shouldn't that be enough ID? I can't have a mail in ballot sent to me without already have proven my ID, why should I have to show it if I show up at the voting booth?

Aug 27 2013 12:22AM
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Jeebus.
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I agree, thank god for radio, and other forms of media. But it is an undeniable fact that the vast majority of the Mainstream media is liberally biased. If you cant at least admit that, then im done debating your ridiculous posts.
Aug 27 2013 12:25AM
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Jeebus.
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So much this. And states that do have voter ID laws, are required to provide IDs to voters free of cost, under the 24th amendment.
Aug 27 2013 12:28AM
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PacificRimJob
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I said my piece on media. Nothing more from me on that topic.
Aug 27 2013 12:28AM
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PacificRimJob
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But again, why would you have to show your ID after you already needed to be Identified in order to register to vote.
Aug 27 2013 12:30AM
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PacificRimJob
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The problem I have with it is that it has potential to exacerbate practical problems that are are already in place (Ever been trying to get into a bar and there's a ridiculous line just to check ID's? Imagine that, but at the polling place - which already has ridiculous lines just to get in the door as it is) , and the amount of resources that are being spent on such a silly solution to a more/less non-issue.

Aug 27 2013 12:35AM
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PacificRimJob
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Also, to make things clear, I'm not registered as a Democrat. Or Green Party. Or any of that. I vote the way I see fit based on my own opinions and research. I have voted for conservatives and liberals alike.
Aug 27 2013 12:38AM
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PacificRimJob
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The bar closes at 2am, and the line isn't usually long enough that you're going to be in it for 3+ hours. The Polling place closes anywhere from 6 to 8 depending on your state and district, and the line in some cases is out the door so far that would-be voters DO end up leaving, or have to practically camp out like they're dedicated Apple users who want the next Iphone.

Besides, you always have that one dude who doesn't have his ID on him right? Dude obviously looks like he's 25 or something, but he can't get in. So you have to think about that situation, too.

I honestly don't care about the ID in the long-run. If it's going to make things efficient or fix a problem, then that's awesome. but at this point, when you have situations where people already have to give up and leave? this is just going to make a bigger mess than there already is. The resources should be spent on making it easier for voters to get in and out, rather than bug up the process even more.
Aug 27 2013 12:46AM
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Jeebus.
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ill just leave this here
So if they arent biased then why does Obama pay them to keep their mouth shut about certain things?
Aug 27 2013 4:14AM
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PacificRimJob
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You started this thread to talk about voter ID's and now you're going on about the media bullshit still?
Aug 27 2013 6:02AM
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