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MOLLY (MDMA) kills 1 sends 100 to hospital

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howlongcanausern
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herp derp mdma is safe with no serious side effects

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2013/jul/01/1-dead-more-than-100-sickened-after-gorge-overdoses/
Jul 1 2013 1:03PM
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Mules
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Haha yeah thats's actually true I know dealers that have done that.
Jul 12 2013 6:25PM
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IDMT_BC024
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Here's one suggesting that there's no long term damage to the human serotonergic system. It is a pretty limited study though...
Abstract:
Despite evidence that ±3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA; ‘ecstasy’) causes persistent alterations to the serotonergic system of animals, evidence for long-term neurological effects of ecstasy/MDMA in humans remains equivocal. The current study assessed serotonin functioning of nine male and 11 female recreational ecstasy polydrug users by measuring neuroendocrine (prolactin, cortisol) responses to pharmacological challenge with the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor citalopram, compared with nine male and five female cannabis polydrug users and 11 male and 11 female non-drug using controls. A single-blind, randomised, placebo-controlled design was used. Subjective responses, other substance use, mood, personality traits and demographic variables were measured to control for potentially confounding variables. There were no significant differences between ecstasy polydrug users, cannabis polydrug users and non-drug using controls in neuroendocrine or subjective responses to serotonergic challenge, and there were no sex by drug group interactions. There was no relationship between extent of ecstasy use and neuroendocrine functioning, alone or in combination with potential confounding variables. Subjective responses to the pharmacological challenge (nausea, tremor, dry mouth), novelty seeking and lifetime dose of alcohol were the only variables that contributed to one or more of the neuroendocrine outcome variables. These data do not support the premise that recreational ecstasy/MDMA use results in measurable impairment of serotonergic control of endocrine activity.
http://jop.sagepub.com/content/23/7/759.full.pdf+html
Jul 12 2013 8:18PM
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deleted5
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hahahahaha a nine male and 11 females a whole 20 people.
Jul 13 2013 12:17AM
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IDMT_BC024
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Yeah the sample size is bullshit, but it's also hard to find studies that indicate molly is harmful that don't have similar problems. From experience there's no way molly's good for you but 3 or 4 times isn't that big of a deal.
Jul 13 2013 1:53AM
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louie.mirags
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http://www.maps.org/



regardless if it has negative side effects or not, it should a matter of civil liberties...


mdma got me feeling like a champion
Jul 13 2013 5:10AM
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corona
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so far from what I've read, I'd put pure MDMA into the same boat as alcohol. it's safe to have a few drinks now and then with negligible lasting damage, but soon as you go overboard you can do serious harm to yourself or even die.
Jul 13 2013 10:59AM
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pmw
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Pretty much. I think there has been so much commotion over this because of your wording. Only a fool could try and argue that MDMA use bears no negative side effects. However, you're stance falls on the other side of the spectrum, or at least how you're arguing it does. Using words like 'detrimental' 'permanently damaged' and 'irreversible' present your opinion in a different manner than what I think you are trying to convey. Does molly have side effects? Yes. Does frequent and sustained use cause a likely imbalance in chemicals in your brain, and take varying, noticeable effects on the user? Yes. Does minimal, intelligent* and healthy* use leave the user 'permanently damaged' with 'irreversible' side effects? That's an exaggeration if not flat out incorrect.

I'm trying to say that I agree with you, or at least I think I do. To much of anything is unhealthy, and this drug can easily be overdone. But rare use will not totally derail someones life. Just remember, everything in moderation. Except meth. Not even once. Meth.

*By intelligent and healthy use, I mean using the substance..well, with intelligence. Taking a healthy dosage, staying hydrated before, during, and after your roll, as well as taking certain substances to minimize the effects of the drug. Chemicals and vitamins such as 5HTP and Vitamin C are both recognized as substances that decrease any negative side effects of MDMA.
Jul 13 2013 11:53AM
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corona
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permanently damaged = damage that is permanent. this isn't something extreme. this can be as little as the amount of liver damage you get from 1 night of binge drinking. it can be very small, but is still permanent. If you cut your thumb that leaves a nice scar, that can be considered permanent damage. it in no way means severe damage.

irreversible means the same thing.


and there are absolutely 100% permanent/irreversible damage (which inherently is a detrimental effect, as with all damage) from the use of MDMA, alcohol, probably drinking coffee, stubbing your toe, etc etc.

there is no further meaning to those words than what they are at face value.
Jul 13 2013 12:16PM
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pmw
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The connotation those words carry happens to give them a greater meaning than face value. I'm not here to argue or anything, we're more or less on the same page. peace
Jul 13 2013 12:38PM
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B.Aussie
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That's the connotation you place on those words that mean that to you. I read those phrases the same way Vinnie did as not necessarily severe permanent damage, but permanent damage all the same.
Jul 13 2013 10:22PM
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louie.mirags
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how can you say absolutely 100%, then say probably in the same sentence? You have no science behind your statements.
Jul 13 2013 10:38PM
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corona
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because the probably is assuming the absolute for coffee since I haven't actually looked it up, just a guess.

and no, there is no science to my statements themselves. they're just statements. but there is the scientific work of thousands to back up my statements.
Jul 13 2013 11:33PM
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JahJahBinks
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Pop a molly don't sweat
Jul 13 2013 11:44PM
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louie.mirags
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are you sure? Up a few post people were asking for references... I've only heard positive outcomes for mdma when used in moderation.

maps.org

go there
Jul 14 2013 12:18AM
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louie.mirags
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anti-mdma ppl argue about whether or not it harms you with no science to back it up.. well then they should outlaw hot sauce, carrots, butt sex, salt and milk too..



SAN DIEGO – School officials say lunchtime dares to drink a weird concoction that included hot sauce, carrots, salt and milk likely caused 22 students to get sick at a San Diego elementary school -- if all of them were actually ill.

San Diego schools spokesman Jack Brandais says Friday that children at Audubon Elementary dared each other to drink from the mixture Thursday. Some reported upset stomachs and nausea afterward.

Teachers then made a general announcement to see if other students had stomach problems. Brandais says that call brought out students "who may not have had problems at all."

Of the 22 students, 18 were taken to the hospital, and all were later released.

As a precaution, the school's kitchen, cafeteria and outdoor lunch areas were sanitized overnight.

Jul 14 2013 12:32AM
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daOyster
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Did anyone else notice that the person from the hospital on the news video, Michele Wurl, has no scientific or medical background? According to her linkedIn profile, she is a director of public relations, a program manager, and a emergency preparedness coordinator?
Jul 14 2013 2:03AM
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corona
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DryFly. Can't quote you cause my phone doesn't do that.. But god damn. Read more than half a page. You'd know that if you did any sort of research into this from reliable sources, not some website run by hippies and stoners, you'd find thousands of peer reviewed articles that prove the ill-effects of MDMA.
Jul 14 2013 10:38AM
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corona
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Also i'm not against MDMA in the slightest. I think it should be legalized 100%. All i'm here doing is trying to talk a bit of sense in all there people thinking there are absolutely no ill effects. Cause there are.
Jul 14 2013 10:41AM
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corona
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daOyster: that's because hospitals, like any other company, have spokesmen who are not the brains. Just trained spokesmen whose specific job is media relations.
Jul 14 2013 10:49AM
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louie.mirags
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Website run my hippies and stoners? And thats better than drunks and people hyped up on coffee and fast food? Naa I'll take the hippies thru seem to have our best interest in mind.
Jul 15 2013 8:36AM
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Zimmerman
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Everything else I would have said has already been said so I won't fill the thread with clutter.

Another thing to keep in mind, when it comes to pressed tablets, keep in mind that pure MDMA doesn't press on its own and requires a binder, making all E pills impure in some way, shape or form.

General rule nowadays is unless you're buying it from a person you know is actually making it safely, you're probably going to get Methylone, Meth, mephedrone, probably some caffeine, and MAYBE if you're lucky a little MDMA. Especially if it's in pill form. Most "Molly" mishaps are due to unknown substances.

I really don't think anyone in here is actually debating that pure MDMA is 100% safe. However, it is much safer than the general population perceives it to be. Precautions must be taken.

Know yourself, know your substance, know your source.
Jul 15 2013 2:17PM
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howlongcanausern
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PM for SR URL huehuehue
Jul 15 2013 2:19PM
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FrenchToastMafia
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Jul 15 2013 4:02PM
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Craigskis
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This is the reason it should be sold at Pharmacies and regulated.
Jul 15 2013 4:50PM
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I_NEED_MONEY
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man if you hate being sober, just mix the molly with the water for hydration. and sip the lean with the sprite on the beach of Miami florida
Jul 15 2013 8:21PM
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ElMexicano
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Same here pm me if
Jul 15 2013 8:32PM
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ElMexicano
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He's offline
Jul 15 2013 8:33PM
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jabroni.
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http://bunkpolice.org/

all i have to say.

+op link dead
Jul 16 2013 5:29PM
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howlongcanausern
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welp, turns out it was meth:

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2013/nov/05/spokane/
Nov 5 2013 7:26PM
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Drail
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Well no shit. 'Most' shitty E is meth. Most pressed pills are meth, a lot of shitty powder is meth, I'd say at least half of what people are being told is MDMA (or 'Molly' for you Americans) is actually just meth, or a mix of MDMA, meth and speed (which is probably just meth anyways).

Either that - or PPMA, which is just as bad, but you don't even really get high before your body starts overheating and starts to die. Just shit really.
Nov 5 2013 10:01PM
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