MOLLY (MDMA) kills 1 sends 100 to hospital

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Mephedrone, methylone and probably some others. Street price of those is like 1/4 of mdma so that's why they cut it.

And yes so much misinformation : (

Jul 9 2013 2:39AM

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But why would people lace weed with coke and sell it to an unknowing customer? I would think that dealers would lose money just from adding $5 or however much coke to a 20 bag of nugs just doesn't seem worth it to me. Selling weed to get a respectable profit is already a lot of work, most people don't want coke on their weed so the dealer would be giving away free coke and losing profit.

Jul 9 2013 3:01AM

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I definitely see what you're saying, but what reputable webpage journalist is going to talk about the better ways to use an illegal drug.

Jul 9 2013 4:16AM

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Honest ones that care about people, and don't care if a couple people think negatively of them. From my view a journalist isn't doing a good job if they are just spewing bs for people to read, where's the thinking?

Everything these days is about hype, views, hits, clicks, points ... world needs more love.

Jul 9 2013 6:32AM

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You're fucking right. Thank you for that.

Jul 9 2013 8:54PM

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the thing about the gorge is its a desert. and its like 100 degrees every day, if you dont hydrate you could die. add drugs and you probably will die. shade tent and plenty of coors light, preferably utah beer.

Jul 9 2013 11:22PM

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No. Repeated use is worse for you but using any MDMA does have some adverse effects, You may not get hurt right away or even ever but there are definitely side effects.

Jul 9 2013 11:27PM

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go on

Jul 10 2013 12:04AM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/20/ecstacy-doesnt-damage-the_n_825704.html

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Says your highschool health teacher?

I'd much rather trust this..

Jul 10 2013 1:05AM

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Precisely. I actually brought this article in back in HS Health II. My teacher was less than stoked.

Jul 10 2013 1:06AM

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http://www.komonews.com/news/local/1-dead-dozens-hospitalized-after-drug-overdoses-at-Paradiso-Festival-Gorge-Amphitheatre-213783041.html?tab=video&c=y

Jul 10 2013 1:18AM

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' "Studies have shown that these drugs have permanent damage, Wurl said, "even if they are hydrated and they leave our facility, they do damage to the synapses in the brain. They do have long-term consequences." '
That's actually exactly what studies haven't shown. I've never touched MDMA or any sort of hallucinogenic, but I really hope that people become more knowledgeable about such things, and more importantly that assholes stop fucking cutting it with stuff. It's disgusting that they do.

Jul 10 2013 1:29AM

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do you guys actually read or just pick and choose the shit that matches your opinion?

from the article:

"Researchers are quick to point out that despite the study's conclusion, ecstasy is still a dangerous drug."

Jul 10 2013 12:11PM

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HAHAHA you are fucking retarded dude. no dealer in their right mind would put coke in their weed, they'd be making huge losses.

so much ignorance in this thread it's unbelievable

Jul 10 2013 12:35PM

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Speak for yourself. Read the Sentence after what you quoted.

I posted an article and you took 1 sentence out of it to prove your point.

Since you can't comprehend any of the articles I post I'll scribe it here for your convenience.

"Researchers are quick to point out that despite the study's conclusion, ecstasy is still a dangerous drug. The illegal pills have no warning labels and can contain a number of harmful contaminants"

The whole fucking argument in this 3 page thread which you have OBVIOUSLY FAILED TO GRASP is that MDMA (molly) is being proven to be not harmful to the body or brain (this is a bit of an overstatement I realize but they are absolutely debunking the myths of previously flawed studies which are taken as fact i.e. holes in brain, spinal fluid shit, death immediately). The problem is as others have stated (which you couldn't comprehend in multiple posts) is that drug dealers cut it with garbage to increase the qty of their product. This happens because drugs are illegal and not regulated in any form. I'm sure whoever you got your "facts" from about MDMA/ecstasy was sure to include these.

I also heard the earth was flat, people proved it in the 1500's!!!!!!!!!!!

Wake up kids. The US government and general media hates the idea of it's people having fun on drugs. Just look at the god damn difference between Weed and Booze and actually examine the health, adverse social, and mental stability of users.

Jul 10 2013 2:52PM

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MDMA can cause hyperthermia and hyponatremia (extreme drop in the body's sodium level), both can be fatal, and are considered to be the leading causes of death from MDMA. Granted you would need to take a lot of MDMA and be pretty dehydrated to start with.

Jul 10 2013 5:53PM

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it's funny in that article one of the sources states there was 23,000 ER visits in 2009 involving MDMA.

im sorry if you guys don't like this fact.

Jul 10 2013 6:00PM

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you sound like a climate change denier. you find 1 article that supports what you like to hear and stick to that 1 article while completely ignoring the thousands of other studies that support the opposite.

If you want to be informed, search MDMA health effects in Google Scholar or similar and read the no doubt 10,000+ peer reviewed articles that show irrefutable proof of the harm that this drug does to the body.

Jul 10 2013 6:16PM

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This. People seem to enjoy their blissful ignorance. Its just like when it was suggested the earth was round.

Jul 10 2013 7:38PM

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http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/06/14/155033464/canadian-health-official-says-pure-ecstasy-is-safe

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Maybe I should post the article from the 60's about doctors that did a study on Marijuana and found it killed brain cells. Of course if you look at any CURRENT studies you see now they'll bring it up to state its flaws.

How about you drink some of your own koolaid and find me a study done on MDMA that were done within the past 5 years on your google scholar?

If you bothered to read the previous article I posted you'll note this highlighted statement. But you didn't, you went on and argued what your previously held beliefs were without educating yourself. It's alright, it took me a while to become cognizant of my preconceived notions in arguments.

"Researchers have known for a long time that earlier studies of ecstasy use had problems that later studies should try to correct. When NIDA decided to fund this project, we saw an opportunity to design a better experiment and advance our knowledge of this drug."

Yeah, I'm the climate denier...

Balls in your court.

Jul 10 2013 8:54PM

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That Canadian article is going to be a tough pill to swallow. I didn't start using drugs recreationally until my mid 20's. I use them maybe 5-6 times a year in settings that are appropriate. I was born in the midwest and grew up in a very conservative family where everyone told me drugs will ruin your life. Ecstasy will eat your spinal cord etc... I started smoking a bit of weed every now and again when I turned 24 right before I moved out to california. I'm well aware of your pre concieved notions of drugs and I'm just saying you should do the research before you do anything. We advertise beer on the most watched sporting event in the US yet put people in jail for years for smoking a joint? What the fuck is up with that? How is that fair? All I'm saying is that drugs are not all they're cracked up to be and you should educate yourself for the betterment of society.

Watch this, it helped me see what was going on.

Jul 10 2013 9:08PM

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In the wise words of Jay-Z, "I don't pop molly, I rock Tom Ford." - 'Tom Ford' by Jay-Z {Magna Carta Holy Grail}

Jul 10 2013 9:22PM

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"ecstacy health effects" search in Google Scholar narrowed to articles published since 2008.

I'm not going to go through all 16,900 hits, but be my guest.

http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=ecstacy+health+effects&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=2008&as_yhi=2013

a quick brows over the titles and certainly none of them are saying there are no ill effects.

clearly you're a user whose feeling super guilty and shitty about taking so many drugs knowing full well that you permanently damaged your body and are in denial about it clinging to all the little hope you can find.

Jul 10 2013 11:40PM

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also I even spelled it wrong and it got that many hits.

Jul 10 2013 11:41PM

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also alcohol is 'safe', but even the tiniest bits start to damage your organs and take too much and you die. same deal. except with more damage to you brain.

Jul 10 2013 11:44PM

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It has long term effects, MDMA fucks up your brain if you take it over a long period of time, according to an actual doctor i talk to that studied it. well in more or less wording.

Jul 11 2013 12:50AM

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Yup, that's me. Someone with a very successful career who skis 60 days a year and likes to indulge every now and again is SUPER upset that my body is permanently damaged.

I'm surprised I could even type this my brain is rotting so much.

I couldn't tell from your jumbled writing if you were saying that alcohol was actually safe or not?

You win, keep thinking what you want. I was just trying to enlighten you to the ways of the big scary world.

Jul 11 2013 1:13AM

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The studies are inconclusive they contradict each other.

Don't be so quick to condem something without looking at both sides yourself and thinking logically, try to eliminate your own bias. Also remember if you think you have no bias you live in a society that just says drugs are bad without rational. Look weed is just now becoming legal.

If your brain is thinking well weed isn't bad but MDMA is because ... You really don't know why now do you?

Jul 11 2013 5:49AM

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you can be a heavy smoker and lead and incredibly successful life. doesn't mean you haven't done irreversible damage to your body.

and if you can't tell from 3 short sentences whether I stated alcohol is safe or not, then you probably do have brain damage

Jul 11 2013 7:21AM

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there are thousands of studies supporting one side of the argument and 1, maybe 2 supporting the other side. And the studies that say it's safe aren't even saying there are no ill health effects, they're saying it's safe the say it's safe to drink a glass of wine.

I honestly don't see how people can possibly be so dumb as to argue against the thousands of peer reviewed scientific studies done on the effects of this drug. nothing about this is hypothetical. it's all cold hard fact.

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Here's a place anyone who wants to can look at various studies.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_neurotoxicity.shtml

Keep in mind because the war on drugs, funding for studies is restricted and so most studies are biased themselves.

Explained here the third section

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_research5.shtm

+k for linkys ... I'm on mobile

Jul 11 2013 8:31AM

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Its not really threadworthy so I'll ask here. In north america, in school how are you presented with information/educated about drugs? Is it by your teacher, a police officer, a healthcare worker? Is it a presentation of the facts on effects, side effects and dangers and is there a massive pressure on how illegal the drugs are and the repercussions of being caught with them, dealing them etc?

Jul 11 2013 8:59AM

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Strippers and blow? Amateurs...

Hookers and Molly!

Jul 11 2013 9:29AM

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combination of teacher and healthcare worker. typically the school nurse (this was my experience). I get where you're going with this question and I'll say this:

the 'amount' or dosage for illegal drugs is never really discussed because this could be viewed as condoning the use of drugs by a public official.

but this was in high school, parents tend to be protective.

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"also alcohol is 'safe', but even the tiniest bits start to damage your organs and take too much and you die. same deal. except with more damage to you brain."

You suck at grammar; plain and simple. You don't use capitalization and or proper commas. Sorry I'm used to reading the English language as it's supposed to be written.

What the fuck does 'safe' mean? I'm assuming (which makes an ass out of everyone) that you are stating alcohol is safe in certain quantities? I honestly couldn't tell. Maybe you meant isn't, or the but is out of place, who the hell knows.

Listen, you think whatever the fuck you want to think with regards to the safety of drugs, specifically MDMA. If it helps you sleep at night then more power to ya. I know undoubtedly that I can do drugs every god damn day and still be mentally and physically sharper than you, which helps ME sleep at night.

It really sucks that you can't have an intellectual conversation.

Jul 11 2013 11:52AM

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The true sign of an arguement lost, when you start to personally insult the opponent. good job.

Jul 11 2013 11:58AM

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I'm not arguing that there are NO ill effects, I'm just saying that you can do a little every once in a while and be good. There may even be benefits of using, it has been shown to help with PTSD.

Jul 11 2013 1:47PM

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This is what started it.

" clearly you're a user whose feeling super guilty and shitty about taking so many drugs knowing full well that you permanently damaged your body and are in denial about it clinging to all the little hope you can find."-you.

Your own medicine doesn't taste so good now does it?

Shooting yourself in the foot is always nice for the opponent.

Jul 11 2013 3:09PM

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that's not an insult. that's reasoning as to why you're being so stuck on 1 article and completely ignoring the thousands upon thousands of other articles. there must be some reason as to why you're so bent to try and believe that MDMA causes absolutely no harm to the body.

when you start complaining about the lack of capitalization and grammar and throwing insults out that are completely unrelated to the discussion, that's when you know you've lost.

Jul 11 2013 4:48PM

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so anyways, back on topic. what do you have to say about the thousands of articles published in the last 5 years proving the harmful effects of MDMA?? do you think they're all wrong?

Jul 11 2013 4:49PM

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I was arguing that there are NO actual experiments done within the past 5 years with the exception of the previous 2 that I stated and articles I referenced.

One thing you have to realize about google scholar is while yes, it's a great tool it does not always mean that it was a study in the traditional sense (i.e. 50 patients take mdma for x amount of months, stop taking it, then scientists measure brain problems/activity).

A lot of the "studies" are from previously flawed experiments as stated in my article. The reason this is? It's hard as fuck to get a permit or the government to sign off on people studying outlawed drugs. There are actually very few experiments that are done.

I got into this discussion/argument about organics vs gmo foods. Because it's so monetarily and time consuming to create an actual study most people just do reports and reference old and often outdated experiments. Even though said old experiments might be wrong/flawed. That's why I made the comment regarding that "a lot of scientists knew the old experiments were flawed"

Am I making any sense?

Here is a good example of what I'm talking about. A google doc comes out regarding marijuana causing cancer where the professor states facts based on studies that were done many years ago. We know now, because OF RECENT EXPERIMENTS that this is NOT the case.

I do want to have a conversation about this with you. I apologize for the personal attacks.

Jul 11 2013 5:04PM

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vinnie please tell us more about the extensive testing done on humans regarding mdma in recent years

Jul 12 2013 4:42AM

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VinnieF goes full retard

Jul 12 2013 9:16AM

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This will be fun. Wait till i get to a computer and have a free hour. It's funny when people think they know everything about something because they read 1 news article that paraphrased 1 journal article that did 1 study. Having a doctor claim it not harmful with no study or even published paper literally means nothing to this by the way. Also, could someone post at least the title of the article that is saying MDMA is not harmful in any way?

Jul 12 2013 12:25PM

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http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/06/14/155033464/canadian-health-official-says-pure-ecstasy-is-safe

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I don't want this to get heated, I want to have an actual conversation.

As stated earlier you're going to find lots of "studies" that were done recently but none of them actually involve testing.

I found the article useful because it says something about scientists agreeing that the experiments were flawed. Thus leading me to think that what we originally thought about MDMA was wrong.

Jul 12 2013 2:02PM

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I've clicked that link before. Nothing about any peer reviewed article. Just some doctor's opinion. But i have seen an actual article mentioned. That's what i'm looking for.

Jul 12 2013 2:22PM

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I do want to see a current peer reviewed study with recent experiments done.

I doubt you'll be able to find any as stated before since it's hard as fuck to get approval from the government to do studies.

Jul 12 2013 3:17PM

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well as a studying and practising scientist, I really won't take anything other than a peer reviewed article as fact. and even then I am usually quite skeptical unless it's proven time and again.

there are, however, many dozens of peer reviewed articles written about studies done on human subjects that do point out many detrimental health effects of MDMA use and many thousands that have used animals and other experimental methods to show that MDMA does indeed have negative effects on the human body.

but, I have seen reference to (although not actually referenced) an article that was published that the paraphrasing I've seen states that MDMA doesn't actually have any negative health effects. this is the article I want to find. I've done some searches and have come up with nothing yet.

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