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BolderPro
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So I have messed around with 72060p quiet a bit, But am just now about to get into higher frame rates and really have no experience with it and am wondering what the workflow of it is.

As of now I usually import raw (straight from camera) 72060p into adobe premiere CS6 then adjust the speed by command + R (never by more than 50%) then export at 72030p. Meaning that I never convert my footage from h.264. I know this works but Is this the norm or what?

Due to many reasons and besides the point I have stepped up from a 7D to a FS700... (comes in thurs.)

(I know Im gonna get some comments about getting a crazy cam and not knowing how to do some feature on it but its whatever, I have done alot of research on it and am working hard to stay busy soooo... ((and I'm very very excited! this is a huge thing for me and I've worked my ass off to get here so Bring the hate if you really have beef with me haha))

But back on to the point, one of the awesome features of the cam is the slo mo, but I have never worked with anything above 60fps so I am looking for someone to share there workflow with me about using the 120fps or 240fps. I would assume that with something like this you would have to convert down to something like 30fps or 24fps using something like gopro cineform? but I really do not know if I have to do this or if it does it in the camera? I have seen some stuff about recording 240 @ 24fps so I would assume that means that it is recorded internally and then you just import it in onto a 24p timeline? If this is the case is there a way to record at 240 @ 30fps?

Thanks +k

(I may sound clueless about this haha sorry, but the cam has not come in yet and I'm just trying to learn some of the features of it before it comes so this could be something very simple but I just havent used the cam yet so my bad)




Apr 30 2013 8:20PM
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m3owzza
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you bought an fs700? deal lord whyyyyyyyyy

okay but serious answer now

1) proper slow motion in premiere is simple. as long as you shot in 720 60p then do this

2) right click on the video before you put it on the timeline

3)scroll down to "interpret footage"

4) should say that its 59.94

5) change that to 30/29.97/24

6) boom. proper perfect conformed slow motion
Apr 30 2013 8:30PM
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eheath
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For 120/240, it shoots 16 sec and 8 sec clips (or 8 sec and 4 sec if you chose) and it then overcranks in camera and the final product is a 24fps file so you just toss that in a time line and then speed it up to bring it back to regular speed, ramp, etc.


But dude, did you really buy an fs100 for slow motion? Do you care to explain why that was worth $8k? im not hating, im actually curious.
Apr 30 2013 8:35PM
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Brentizzle
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yes the fs700 does record 240fps @ 30p but from my experience with the fs700 it is better to record at 60fps in camera and step down to 30fps in post. the camera has to render each shot after it films it and the buffer time to convert to 30p is much larger than to 60p. if you want to be able to shoot the next shot asap then just record at 240fps @ 60p and it will save you a lot of time out in the field. When you review it, what you shoot at 240 will look like if you shot 120fps @ 30p and once you have converted in post it will be twice as slow.

I would just use the exact same workflow. just pull the avchd 1080 60p clips in and put them to 50% slow if you want the full effect of the 240fps.
Apr 30 2013 8:42PM
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BolderPro
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What would be the difference between this and just adjusting the speed by percent is it better to do it one way vs the other?
Apr 30 2013 8:46PM
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m3owzza
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the way you chose to do it isn't wrong by any means.

but changing it the way i do it conforms the footage and actually changes the frame rate.

if you do it my way, it will look better.
Apr 30 2013 8:53PM
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BolderPro
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It was a tuff decision but I definitely did not buy it just because of the slow motion (although it is a very useful tool IMO).

I was looking into getting a camera that will hopefully last me up thru college (I am a sophomore in HS now so that is quiet a ways off) but also I needed a camera for now that could:

A) Record continuously for documentary/short film work
B) Have interchangeable lenses
C) Be relatively "future Proof" (*Because I am living with my parents now and dont have to pay for nearly anything so all the money I get now is profit and I know that this will not last long*)
D) Have a frame rate above 30 (Ruled out the blackmagic option that I was considering, I think this is a huge thing for any type of commercial work as well as short films)

So far the requirements have left the sony FS100 and 700 (as well as the af100 which I really didnt like) in the match and I was very convinced into getting the FS100 but the scares of RAW and 4K have been something to worry about (not that it will be immediate but it is something that will grow in popularity in the coming years...). I was wondering how much longer the FS100 would be able to "outdo" that of a DSLR and with no huge update Possibilities it made me re-think The FS100

I still wasn't sold on the FS700 until I saw that something Like the Odyssey 7Q could substantially boost the FS700 into a much more powerful cam without having to re-buy the thing (like the $5,000+ sony option). At first the idea of the cost was insane and not considered an option but with my increase in business I Started to look at it more seriously and found that it does have quiet a few edges to the competition such as the Sensor, Slow motion, Ability to upgrade via firmware and record to faster codecs as well as use better chroma subsampling possibly in the future.

And I have to admit I really love the slow mo capabilities.... This is something that was a seller for the cam because there really aren't that many other cams that can do it and it really is an important feature IMO (just watch TV for 15 minutes and watch how many times it is used)

I know it seems absolutely crazy but as a business I figured that this cam would overall be the most versatile option and give me the most uses for the money and be something that could last me as long as a camera or any electronic for that matter could. And at the end of the day I know alot of what I want to do could be done on a FS100 or a 7d or a t2i or whatever else but I think the few things that give me an edge to the rest can help me create better stories and express that of the stories in a more creative way.
Apr 30 2013 9:25PM
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BolderPro
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Thanks!
Apr 30 2013 9:29PM
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Mkvackay
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wut

so you're telling me that your camera was so limiting by the age of 16 that you had to drop 8 grand on a new one?

thats ludicrous. i've had my 7D for over 3 years now. in 3 days ill be a college graduate and thats what i'll be using until it dies
Apr 30 2013 9:36PM
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eheath
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I had no doubt you made a $8k decision with confidence.

Only thing I'd say back is that being "future proof" these days is impossible. The new BMCC4k is only $4k and dude in two years, its gonna be half that, things are gonna be insane when you go to college.

That being said, the fs700 is an amazing camera and for real if you have $8k then I suppose go for it (not sure where you got that money at your age but im sure you worked for it). I love my fs100 and other than no nd filter (literally not a problem) no cinegamma (meh dont care), 4k ability (dont care yet) and 120/240 (only real feature id like to have) to me, my fs100 works great for me now and will work for at least a couple more years. I dont see 4k internet videos for a long time and they will be pointless until people have 4k monitors (retina display is a good start) but 1080p monitors and tvs just became standards in the past year or two. I really see no reason for a 4k camera until I own a 4k tv or until its demanded by a client.
Apr 30 2013 9:40PM
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BolderPro
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Haha I know there is definitely no such thing as future proof in any electronics but this is as close to it as I can afford and I figure it wont always be a super spec camera but it sure as hell will be able to compete for quite a few years... Like you said 4k is something that will take a while and I dont need it now anyways but when it is a pretty common spec I like knowing that my camera is still safe for a while... And I have NO doubt that the FS100 is an awesome camera but I just dont want to put $5,000 into a camera that does not have a decent edge on things (panasonic is crawling up on it with there Gh cams as well as I doubt it will be too long before another co. steps up to 108060p)
Apr 30 2013 10:06PM
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FatWhore
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thisss.. You've only shot one wedding (or at least have one wedding in your sample work) and other than that you've shot for a few small companies. Any 10 grader should no have 8k plus of gear unless they have a real talent. (not saying your not talented)
Apr 30 2013 10:57PM
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kalum.ko
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Gotta agree with this... You are definitely super fortunate... Hahaha the things I would do for a FS right now
Apr 30 2013 11:56PM
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[~_~]
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Future proof...digital...wat
May 1 2013 12:26AM
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j.benziger
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You must be rich as fuck if your parents just bought you an 8k dollar camera

May 1 2013 1:10AM
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CrotchKiller
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gonna go ahead and admit im jelly that you got a fs700 haha
May 1 2013 1:46AM
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Mag
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Where did you get the funding? That's some purchase, not to mention all the extra shit you'll need
May 1 2013 7:25AM
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jibbinc.
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t2i with magic lantern pssshhh
May 1 2013 3:55PM
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b_r_tregs
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I mean, I hope slow motion is not the only reason you're getting this. It has a lot more features (that I do not know all of) and if slowmotion is the only reason your getting it then you should not be stepping up.

I am not 100% sure so dont take my word im pretty sure that the stept movies are filmed with canon dslrs which means 720p at 60 frames is what they are most likely using fo there skiing shots.
May 1 2013 9:08PM
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b_r_tregs
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Good luck non the less
May 1 2013 9:09PM
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BolderPro
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Did You not read my 4+ paragraph explanation of why I got it that I posted in here... haha
May 1 2013 9:31PM
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BolderPro
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Also dont doubt for a second that i know that I am VERY fortunate!!! This is something that I am very thankful for and something that I know is very crazy.



May 1 2013 9:34PM
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BolderPro
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And dont think that it is something that was just handed to me either, I have had several "real" jobs along with several paid camera gigs along with money I have been saving for a long time from misc. + a some help from my parents (which I definitely do not take for granite and am very thankful for there support)
and and have worked very hard to get it.

I know it is not something that is not absolutely needed and alot of what I need to do could be done on something like a 7D, but at the end of the day I am happy and very thankful that I am able to get it not that my last cam was limiting me to the point where a upgrade was necessary but because this is a tool that will give me alot of edge to competition and feel that it will greatly increase my production value/creativity.

I also know that making movies is not all about equipment and this is a step that has hugely motivated me to continue to work hard and I am working harder now more than ever before on getting projects done/ set up because I know how much I have put into it and that what I need to do is definitely possible.
May 1 2013 9:47PM
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Mag
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You better not be stealing their granite.
May 2 2013 9:50AM
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BolderPro
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Haha autocorrects a bitch....
May 2 2013 5:01PM
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BolderPro
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I didn't feel it was new thread worthy but Ive been playing with the cam a lot and made this lil video testing out the slow motion capabilities here is what Ive made so far:



I am also working on a music video as well as a kickstarter vid for a local co. now so I will have a lot more examples of my work soon!
May 8 2013 10:12PM
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VT_scratch
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who gives a fuck man?

people on NS have to fucking critique other members puchases so hard. none of us have any idea what this kid does for a job, living, what his family background is, fuck he could be buying this cam with drug money- that's not the point. he came here looking for some advice so why don't we try to help him out?

all this shits so subjective which is why I get annoyed. like do you realize theres was probably a kid thinking, woah why the fuck did this kid buy a 7d when he could have saved so much money. 3 years ago a 7d was a pretty fucking nice cam... do you see what im saying??? [no hate to you, this is just so common in M&A]

OP I don't have experience with that cam, but good luck dude, I hope you stack some awesome shots.
May 8 2013 10:29PM
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VT_scratch
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sorry for the double post, but OP- great call on buying this cam in high school before you have to start paying for groceries and living expenses on your own dime. if I could go back to high school I would have worked my ass off and stacked cash and bought way more shit, now im in debt and buy nothing but shitty expensive vancouver groceries.
May 8 2013 10:30PM
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MatRich
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Theres a hockey game starting here soon so i didnt read much of the responses in the thread for now but il be back later or tommorow.

I have an fs700 myself and absolutely love it.

magical thing about the frame rates is that it pre converts into what ever frame rate setting you want in cam.

heres an example of what I do with my camera, just some color correction and a bit of lighting, you can get amazing results.


Follow Your Eyes from Mat Rich on Vimeo.



if you have any questions about it hit me up!
May 9 2013 7:18PM
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eheath
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I find this video to be a prime example of using the super slow motion too much. Sorry, but just how i feel.
May 10 2013 11:56AM
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MatRich
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Its just a shooting exercise i decided to do. Of course its too much, thats all it is. It wasnt ment to be anything more.
May 10 2013 12:38PM
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