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Is learning flips on snow a bad idea?

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_Garagely_
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So I don't have great access to tramps and all I've done on tramps is fronts and backs. On skis I can backflip but thats it. So I was wondering if trying rodeos, corks, flats, or any other inverts on snow without previous tramp experience is a bad idea. Will I just hurt myself because I am not familiar with the rotations?
Apr 2 2013 12:10PM
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Blurst
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noo its a good idea. Kids are too bent on the idea of tramp, to water ramps, to air bags and then to snow. Just fucking send it dude.
Apr 2 2013 12:24PM
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_Garagely_
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I don't know of any near me
Apr 2 2013 12:50PM
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stupendous-man
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Air bags are far and few where most people live.


Apr 2 2013 12:52PM
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Randy_Quench
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you dont need an airbag. airbags are ruining the difficulty of skiing.
if you can throw a flip on a tramp or off a cliff into water chances are you will be able to flip on skis.
Apr 2 2013 12:52PM
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Balbertt
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I learned flips on a tramp first to get the feel, then that winter I sent them on snow without a airbag. Being upside down is a great feeling.
Apr 2 2013 12:56PM
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The_Real_EWilly
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I huck every thing on snow I've only been on a tramp ten time in my life
Apr 2 2013 1:10PM
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TACO-DOG.exe
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Flat spins aren't that different from back flips. at least what people call flat spins these days aren't that hard.
Apr 2 2013 1:22PM
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Tikayt
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This is the thing, you may know the trick by heart on tramp but when on snow, you'll still shit in your pants because the confidence on snow has just nothing to do with the confidence you need on tramp. Don't get me wrong, tramp is good for orientation and get tricks more accurate.
But learning right on skis, well, I've experienced it several times, rodeos and flats and it so gratifying and you are so happy and above all, you get the right confidence for the right trick, and that confidence is precious for stomping.

Basically that's what I would say to my self when I was attempting my first rodeo (2 years ago). I was with friends who were much better then I was and then (i knew how to backflip/ frontflip/ lincoln) I went "so that's how you do it, ok, there's no fucking reason if I do the EXACT same thing as you it won't work".
Watching the trick over and over and over helps a lot (to me it does).
Apr 2 2013 1:30PM
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johnnyBuz
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Learning tricks on snow builds confidence and character. Nothing against tramps and airbags, but trust your skill level and when you are ready, hit the jump with confidence and throw it. The consequence of failing is more often than not significantly less than what you have envisioned in your mind.

There is no progress without failure. No pain no gain.
Apr 2 2013 1:37PM
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Kimmler
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i think it can vary from person to person. i prefer doing stuff on snow first, it just takes more confidence. cliff jumping in the summer helps too but i would much rather try a trick for the first time on snow than on a tramp or air bag.
Apr 2 2013 2:37PM
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travazoid
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On tramps I have the fear/restriction in the back of my head that I have to try to stay on the tramp.  On skis you can go as big as you want and just throw the rotation without worrying about traveling in the air. Go for it
Apr 2 2013 2:50PM
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maxwell666
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I tried to huck a double (straight backflip, not rodeo or misty or anything actually hard) the other day on snow, never tried a single backflip on a trampoline /  airbag / other soft things. Just try it like everyone who skied before the last few years.
Apr 2 2013 3:43PM
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yasgur99
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just do it
Apr 2 2013 4:03PM
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Bloom.
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If you've got it on a tramp 100%, then go for it on snow. If you've never even tried a certain trick or flip before snow, I think its a bad idea to just go for it.
Apr 2 2013 4:17PM
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Blurst
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BLOOM OUTERWEAR HINDERS PROGRESSSION
Apr 2 2013 4:18PM
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johnnyBuz
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How did that work out? A month or two ago I thought I would never throw a double but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna try it either this summer at MHSSC or next ski season on a 35-45 footer.
Apr 2 2013 5:34PM
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Bloom.
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LINK ENCOURAGES GETTING INJURED AND PAYING LARGE MEDICAL EXSPENSES
Apr 2 2013 6:20PM
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Blurst
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DO YOUR STUNTS IN ANYWHERE BUT AMERICA, THEN ITS ALL GOOD!
Apr 2 2013 6:34PM
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first_rodeo
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know your rotation stay to it (commit) have confidence

lincolns-corks-flats-mistys--rodeos---potential

Apr 2 2013 6:56PM
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Dr.C
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I learned how to first flip on airbag at one of my local mountains. Then i took it to snow and came around the first time and stomped it. I would go to airbag or water ramps first
Apr 2 2013 6:58PM
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first_rodeo
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get out newb

if you know your rotation do it on snow

Apr 2 2013 7:16PM
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SpliffyJ
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I like to try tricks first on the trampoline so when i do go on snow, i atleast know how to throw the trick correctly, Then i believe the best thing to do is say SCREW AIRBAGS. I hate airbags, some of them are good, but most give you a false sense of how the trick actually will be when you try it on a real park jump. I would first take a flip to a 20-25 footer, therefore if the jump is a good jump, with that gap, the risk of injury is pretty low. If its a good day where the snow isnt rock solid, i would say go for it. Be confident! If you believe you can do the trick, just go for it. I think its a great idea to just go and huck it on snow if you know the rotation. Send it!
Apr 2 2013 7:21PM
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*steeze_is_good
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This thread depresses me a bit
Apr 2 2013 7:23PM
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frasermenzies97
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Just go for it and commit! Visualise how it'll go and feel etc, then go at it with confidence. Almost certainly won't be as bad as you imagine if you fall!
Apr 4 2013 8:32AM
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nine50seven
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all you do for rodeo is backflip and turn 90 and keep looking to get it around and you will at least get the flip around you may just land like side ways
Apr 4 2013 8:54AM
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BA.berger
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Andreas Haatveit is never using airbags, He always tries a new trick first on the snow #balls
Apr 4 2013 8:54AM
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Ski.o.die
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I would not worry about the backflip, it is a very easy trick. I have never done a backflip on a tramp, and the only backflips i can do are in the water. I recently landed my first backflips, and the whole trick is commitment. For confidence I would recommend building a small jump, but I did not I just sent it off a jump in the resort. Also make sure the jump is not too small. The other thing is I fell alot, and did not get hurt so do not get worried.
Apr 4 2013 9:34AM
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