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Atomic FFG 14 vs 16 vs Marker Grifon 13

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DowseBigamy
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I've just ordered a pair of Punx, with FFG 16s as part of the package.

I usally have my DIN on 7, so it seems the FFG16s (90mm brake, din 9-16) are no use. FFG 14s (100mm brake, din 6-14) look like a better option, but I've also found some Marker Griffon 13s (90/110mm brake din 4-13) at a good price.

The markers start at DIN 4, so I'd not be at the lowest end of the DIN rate, but Marker don't seem to get much love here.

Basic question then, is it worth selling the 16s, and replacing them with the 14s, or should I get the Griffons?

Mar 27 2013 5:55PM
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DowseBigamy
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*Griffon.

Before the grammar police get in.

Mar 27 2013 5:56PM
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TRAP_CHEF
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Griffon=plastic=not durable
Ffg=some plastic more metal=more durable
I have skiied both and the ffg/driver are much better than griffons but fks is my favorite binding of choice i have the fks 14
Mar 27 2013 6:32PM
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Blake.P
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personally, i wouldnt buy fks until rossi releases replacement brakes. honestly i see so many people riding around with bent or broken brakes on them and its such a turn off from a good binding that i decided to go with sth14's for next year
Mar 27 2013 8:46PM
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TRAP_CHEF
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This is a valid point i did bend one of mine but not badly enough to really effect it the sth/ffg driver is a good bunding op much better than griffons
Mar 27 2013 9:10PM
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DowseBigamy
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I found the FFG14 and Griffon for the same price in the end.

My only concern with the FFG is that the lowest binding setting is 6, and I've read on here that you shouldn't really be looking to be within two of the lowest/highest setting?

Mar 28 2013 4:37AM
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VD.
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You should be fine riding 7 on those. However if you're concerned, why not look at the STH12 Driver, same driver toe piece, just with a lower DIN range, - 4 to 12, and of course a smaller price tag.
Mar 28 2013 6:59AM
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onenerdykid
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You can ride a binding at the lowest DIN setting (provided that is the correct DIN for you). Problems happen when you fully compress the DIN spring (the maximum DIN setting) because the spring loses its elasticity which can then give inconsistent release values. When the spring is fully uncompressed (the minimum DIN setting) it has maximum elasticity and will not cause any inconsistent release values. So, you never want to be at the maximum DIN setting, but being at the minimum is totally ok.
Mar 28 2013 9:41AM
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DowseBigamy
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Excellent, thanks for clearing that up. Looks like I'll be ordering the ffg 14s. I might have a look at sth12 bindings too... Ffg 14s do look pretty sick though. Guessing sth12s might be lighter too?
Mar 28 2013 11:48AM
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VD.
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Marginally ...

STH/FFG 14 - 2120g (pair)
STH/FFG 12 - 2050g (pair)
Mar 28 2013 12:11PM
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DowseBigamy
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Just looking at STH12 Drivers. they area  little cheaper then the FFG 14s, but all the ones I've found have a 100mm brake. Is this too wide for the 82mm waist of the punx?
Mar 28 2013 4:39PM
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TheClap.
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i wouldnt fux wit dit
Mar 28 2013 5:03PM
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DowseBigamy
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Thoughts - FFG16 and STH 12 driver - same brake setup? Can I just swap the 80 brake from the 16 to the STH?
Mar 28 2013 5:33PM
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VD.
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Both the FFG16 Team and the STH12 Driver use the STH heel piece so yes you could just go and swap the brakes.
Mar 28 2013 5:47PM
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DowseBigamy
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Winning!
Mar 28 2013 5:51PM
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VD.
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indeed, so what you doing with the 16s, you selling?
Mar 28 2013 5:58PM
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DowseBigamy
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I expect so. I have no use for them. Just need to ring the shop up tomorrow and check theyve got the STH12s in, see if they're happy to swap brakes etc over to get them mounted when I collect the skis.  If they're not I'll do it myself.
Mar 28 2013 6:07PM
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VD.
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They should be completely fine to go swapping the brakes over. But if they're not, that's not a huge problem, brakes on the STH/FFG series bindings are really easy to deal with, unlike some other bindings such as Pivot series bindings. All you have to do is insert the two prongs on the break into the two eyelets on the heel piece, and then screw the break down. When you actually have the ski/bindings in front of you, that last sentence will make a lot more sense.
Mar 28 2013 7:01PM
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DowseBigamy
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Sorted bindings today hopefully. Shop are going to swap out the 16s for the STH 12 driver, and swap the brakes over. Excellent! 

Mar 29 2013 1:56PM
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pooptrack
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The FFG 14/16 are my favorite binding ever. You'll only need the 14, they're much better made than markers which use mostly plastic. Plastic is light, but a few seasons down the road you'll reget it. The more metal the better (to a reasonable extent).
Mar 29 2013 5:28PM
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