25-i :::: synthetic LSD ::: student dies after 1 drop

I dunno man, I trust my friends to find legit Lucy. From what I've heard, LSD is not incredibly difficult to synthesize. And I've done a few RCs, they are nothing like acid in my opinion. Acid is more pure than mushrooms in my opinion. Not as physically/visually intense but much more subtle and enjoyable allowing you to appreciate all the little things going on around you. And when 100 friends around you are all tripping balls as well I leads to a lot of ridiculous and funny jokes and shit. But I've never taken acid that has made me go crazy, have seizures, etc. like this 25-I sounds.

its a different drug.....ive done both lsd and 2ci , shit makes you roll as well as visuals....shit was fun

Synthetic LSD - eh most things sold as LSD on the street is really some 25x-nBOME, DOB or other RC ... even if it's from your friend who says it's the best or some sunshine bullshit. Made by combining lots of chemicals together in certain orders and such.

Real LSD - Is just LSD, synthesized from ergot( a fungus that grows on rye). harder to find than you think. If you think you can find LSD from your friend or friends friend it is most likely a RC as they are way cheaper to produce and dealers don't care about miss representing their product. real LSD is still out there though

Molly isn't even usually Molly anymore. Molly is suppose to be pure MDMA but is usually MDA or something else. Why? because it's cheaper to sell other things as molly when it's not.

LSD used to be easier to get as I understand but recently all these new drugs like 25-i-nBOMe etc, are in the market represented as LSD. They have only been around for a few years

If you get real LSD it WILL NOT taste like ANYTHING. If it's on paper it may have a tinge from the ink if it's been printed ...  real LSD has to potential to be tasteless, RC's are usually very damn bitter and numbing

Mexicano, what do you think is more likely to be real LSD these days, ink blotter or liquid vials? I prefer liquid these days on sourpatch kids. I feel like ink blotter is way too hit or miss.

Eh.... poor example. MDA is still fire, I havent met anyone who doesnt like sassafras that likes actual molly. MDMA is just a more popular analog. MDA tends to be more psychedelic (stimulates the 5ht receptor more) and less ectactogenic. MDA is a little more toxic but the fatality rates are both something like 1-2 deaths in 100,000 cases.


There are a ton of MDxx substances but id stick to MDA and MDMA

Well to get LSD on blotter they pretty much dissolve the crystals into a solvent and then you have a liquid solution. Then they lay it onto paper or you could get it as liquid.
RC's use the same process though too, if you aren't close to the source it's really still just hit or miss. You can get tester kits though for pretty cheap.

Personally I don't have any liquid experience, but RC's "normally" are blotters, but it's still a crap shoot. But I would say if you're getting it on street liquids are more likely clean compared to blotters. But you still have to be careful.

My point was molly used to mean pure E or MDMA and now it means ... anything

For anyone that want's to learn pretty much anything about drugs a good place to start is
http://www.erowid.org

Very true. Especially since basically every RC is a white or yellowish powdered crystal.

Not sure what you mean by "Pure E" tho, Ecstasy is just a pressed pill of mdma, however 99.9% of time its cut or contains no mdma at all.

I wish people wouldn't even call rc's synthetic LSD or other chemicals.


Fuck rc's.


If you're going to do drugs do real drugs. Especially all you kids that love to listen to electro and go to your "raves" and do "molly". Buy a tester kit. Some drugs are easier to test for than others, powders especially mdma is pretty fucking simple.


If you do mdma frequently without using a tester kid these days you're an idiot. Sometimes for drugs the tester kits simply rule out some of the know bunk chemicals. You might not always know what you have but at least you can rule some stuff out.



http://dancesafe.org/products/testing-kits

http://bunkpolice.org/#

I'll quote the links since they blended in. I don't think kids understand how stupid dangerous some of the stuff they play around with can be. Oh sweet yolo, lets do some drugs. But seriously, at least make sure you're eating real drugs.


Everything today is about $$$. It's easier to make a fuck ton of legal drugs and ship them around/distribute them than risk ridiculous penalties making the real drugs themselves. Also some of them like LSD aren't exactly simple to make.


Seriously, I bet if you rolled up to one of your raves with a tester kit you'd find over half the "molly" containing no mdma at all.(In America at least) And honestly there's a better chance that more than 3/4s of the stuff has no mdma in it. Kids that have rolled over 10 times and never actually really rolled on mdma. Shit is ridiculous.


Buy a tester kit, learn how to use it. Don't blindly trust that something is legit because your friend tried it ans says it's good. So much of the drugs out there are bunk shit it's ridiculous.

Be careful

Seriously buy a tester kit, or better yet a bunch, and give them to your friends. They're 20-25 bucks but it only takes one drop on the marquis so you can test 50+ things with one bottle.

Be careful

Be careful

MDA is fine.

I've seen it in the white powder before but generally it's the raw stanky black licorice sass.

Usually "molly is neither mda or mdma, it's generally methylone. I guess that's good in a way as there are far worse things out there but still. There was a fuck ton of mephedrone going around summer 2011, and still was around a bunch last summer. Generally mephedrone was going around as "moon rocks" sometimes had kind of a k sort of look to it. Also seen straight up meth sold as the same.

And you're right it's a financial thing. If you pay 1400 for molly, you won't make nearly as much as if you paid 200 for some weird ass chemical. As long as people get fucked up they think it's real.


"oMG Leik I Got SO fuCKED UP LAST NIGHT dat molly was fire" - Sweet jesus you're a fucking idiot buy a test kit.

Oh Jesus just reminded me of trying Special K for the first time this past summer. Now that was a wild night I barely remember. Key bump sized lines getting you retarded. .

Could anyone here give me some medical insight on MDA? Is it pretty bad for you or is it not a big deal?

Hard to say. It's surely not "good for you" but do it in moderation (few times a year) and drink plenty of water and you should be fine. Only thing I've abused is blow and I'm no worse for the wear but I'm not as cavalier with my use anymore.

Yea I gotchu.

MDA (Sassafras) is an empathogen (class of psychoactive drugs that produce distinctive emotional and social effects similar to those of MDMA).

MDA causes the body to release 2 neurotransmitters, serotonin and dopamine (what makes you happy and rewarded)by tricking your SERT (Serotonin transporter) and DAT (Dopamine transporter).

The serotonin allows for a MDMA like joy, but MDA effects your 5-HT2A receptor more causing it to be slightly more visually psychedelic (not much).

The danger with these drugs (MDMA and MDA) is that they can fuck you in the long term and the short term if you arent careful.



What you can do to protect yourself short term.\-

- Start at a low dose and dont take any more for at least 2-3 hours to get an idea of its strength

- eat and rest well the days before your experience

- Stay hydrated.

- Be aware of what you are taking. So you dont freak out when your stomach starts feeling a little upset before you start feeling good. This kinda stuff happens and its good to be with someone more experienced

- Protect your teeth (gum. binky or chew toy if youre in to that)

- Stay hydrated (I put it on here again on purpose!!!)

- Dont be afraid to voice your concern to a friend if something really doesnt feel right. (extremely lightheaded, out of control heart, trouble breathing etc)



Long term:

- PRE LOAD AND POST LOAD! (not enough people do this. Read more online about it cause i dont wanna get in to it, but basically taking certain vitamins/supplements can help you a ton. 5-htp especially, helps youre with the serotonin etc)

- Do not roll hard multiple days in a row (Extremely hard not to at fests)

- Limit yourself to medium doses a few times a year. Rolling hard every weekend is a great way to make the rest of your life terrible as you can fuck up your serotonin

- Rest well after rolling (weed helps put you to sleep, specially a heavy indica)

- Replenish after rolling (water, vitamins, food)


Other notes I should mention-

Mda is kinda weird because it can be a refined white/yellow powder/crystal but it can also be a dark yellow gunky liquid.

Although it technically has a high toxicity then MDMA, they are both relatively similar.

The deaths that do occur on it are from cardiac related issues, generally hemroging in the brain.

Once you taste some good sass, youll remember the taste. The first time we got it we all fucking hated it cause of the taste and we felt ripped off. Now its as desirable or even more so then mdma


throw any questions you have my way, ill do my best to answer

Well fuck i guess im finding me some mda.

I have always thought K is just fucking stupid.
It just knocks you on your ass and makes you get the spins. Not a fan.

I only tried it that once and I only did two little key bumps so I wasn't a bumbling idiot or anything but I don't know if I'll ever go out of my way to buy it. If somebody offers it ill try it again but it seems like I has the potential to make you French fry when you're supposed to pizza if you catch my drift. A bad time.

Get out of here

Well done guys, I'm surprised there's actually some intelligent conversation going on in here.

damn you guys killed it on the replies, solid

I dunno man i just dont do drugs and it usually works out in my favor

I first saw the 2C's come onto the scene about 5 years ago. I have a lot of friends who have done some form of 2C over the years and most of them say the high is too much, but no in a dangerous kind of way, just too much for the brain to deal with.


This past summer there were a lot of "new" synthetic shit floating around the festival scene in BC. Shambhala was scary with a LOT of stuff testing positive for Bath Salts and everything in between. Those "new" "foxie's" that were floating around - the drug testers at Shambhala couldn't even identify that shit and it remained as an "unknown" the whole festival. I think it was like 70% of K was tested positive for Bath Salts, almost all MDMA that people bought from strangers tested positive for meth (well, I guess mostly a rock form of speed - pretty much meth)... oddly enough, the only thing that tested positive for what it was claimed to be was the coke, which is the lamest drug at a festival, so you know...

Only buy from friends, don't just put anything in your mouth and LSD and mushrooms are safe and easy to find, why people choose to be human guinea pigs is beyond me. I'd hate to be a doctor at the ER during a festival. People coming in all overdosed on mystery drugs.

Most of the big festivals I know of have a testing booth with a full time staff.

It's always best to bring your own or only buy from your close friends, but if you DO end up buying off randoms, get that shit tested! You'd be amazed what people are putting in their shit these days. I swear, from seeing what some of these drugs are testing positive for, it's like there's some people out there claiming to be 'drug dealers' that are just crazy people trying to fuck people up and get them to OD.

The 'fuck it' mentality will just get you in trouble.

Wouldn't be much of a stretch for some sicko to just hand out straight poison with the intentions of killing people.   

Seriously, I don't think we're too far off. There are some twisted people who go to festivals just to take advantage of high people. Dropping GHB in random peoples water bottles is one I'll never understand either.

Some of the blame has to be put on those who just blindly take whatever is handed to them though.

You know how I know you aren't very smart?

I heard he has synthetic intelligence

Idk, some of my friends are into them. It depends on which you're doing and how much/often. I chose not to play around with chemicals where the long term effects are unknown.

The K generally seemed to be pretty good although last year more weird shit was showing up as K. From what I saw it was mostly MXE but didn't test a ton of it. The reports were that the K was still decent generally, but it seems like everything is going downhill.

The molly is all garbage pretty much. That sucks that it was that bad up in canada. I know in the US it makes a lot of sense because of the difficulties/expense of getting the real drug for most people. Down here it's been pretty much all methylone, some mephedrone, and some meth. Had a couple tests last summer that were unknown. One guy had a bag of meth, and the other bag couldn't identify.



As far as the friends thing. DON'T TRUST YOUR FRIENDS. Seriously. It sounds fucked up, but it's nothing against your friends. Nobody knows what the hell is going on, most people are completely ignorant. Unless your friend has a test kit and tested the substance they gave you NEVER blindly trust them.

Hell this girl at counterpoint I offered to test her shit. "I got it from a trusted friend" ME"Well do you want to know what it is?" her"I got it from a trusted friend" ME"No seriously do you want to find out what it is?" She was confused as fuck but was like whatever. Tested it, boom methylone. She was like "How did you know". Pretty much all the "molly" is garbage these days.

This new "rave" scene and the dubstep wave is helping fuel it. A ton of naive kids going out to these shows to get fucked up, kids with little experience if any. If they get fucked up, and feel a little bit speedy then it's real to them. They have no idea that there are a fuck ton of drugs that can speed you up, and that doesn't mean they have anything to do with mdma or mda.

" LSD and mushrooms are safe and easy to find"

WRONG WRONG WRONG

LSD is fairly safe other than the common problems associated with the drug. "LSD" or "acid" at a show is not safe. There's a fuck ton of shitty research chemicals getting blotted out on paper and sold at shows. It's much cheaper and legal to purchase some of the chemicals. Some of these chemicals will make you hallucinate but they can also have devastating long lasting effects on your mind. Not that LSD is a completely safe drug by any means but some of these designer drugs are super sketchy, with many you know nothing about the longterm effects. With mushrooms things are pretty good. Unless some clown goes and picks random shrooms in the woods and sells them you're looking alright. Generally with mushrooms they're either good, or they're completely bunk. If you can spot the right ones it's not foolproof but it helps.

"why people choose to be human guinea pigs is beyond me"

Because they're naive. They blindly trust the guy selling them the drugs, which is fucking retarded. That's life though.

"I'd hate to be a doctor at the ER during a festival. People coming in all overdosed on mystery drugs."

At camp bisco the last 2 years I saw such a ridiculous amount of people on the ground, or getting carted off from having reactions to salts and other lovely chemicals being sold as "molly".

It's all fun in games until somebody you know is seizing on the ground because your group though it was a stupid idea to spend 20 bucks on a test kit.

Seriously people, is your life or a friends life not worth 20 bucks?


BE SKEPTICAL

ASK QUESTIONS

NEVER BLINDLY TRUST SOMEONE WITH DRUGS

TEST EVERYTHING

BE SAFE

HAVE FUN

I know the bunk police have been out the last 2 years. They don't test things for you anymore but they do sell everything from 1 time use tests up and show you how to use them.

I haven't seen any festival provided booths yet but that's pretty sick.

It's all money bro. It's massively easier to get, thr profit margin is massively bigger. CREAM, and people don't give a fuck. Shitty thing is down the line many people don't know. They think it's legit because they got it from this friend, he thinks it's legit because he got it from another friend.


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About the testing kits. Another shitty trend. People were putting black or dark purple food coloring in water in empty test vials and "testing" their bunk drunks in front of people proving that it was really molly. Buy your own test kit to be safe or watch closely. If they drop out a black drop on the "molly" they're probably trying to fuck you.

I guess it all depends on who your friends are. Mine - I can trust.

Do they test it? Otherwise doubtful. I've watched so many people that "know things" get their salt on.

Tested plenty of people who's friends were legit and knew their shit, still salty. Not saying that everybody's was bunk but the large majority.

I've just seen too many people wrongly trust their friends. Maybe you're actually have good shit, but I've seen too many people that are convinced their friends have real shit and turns out false.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Leary claimed ~35% rate of going back (recindence?) as opposed to the 80% that criminals normally have. A later study was done to find out if this was true, and it was found out that leary pretty much made the conditions of going back (for the patients who took lsd) up (time between coming back, etc.), and that there was no real difference.

Word thank you. I've done it twice at parties when I was really drunk. Kinda kicked myself for trying something without really having any knowledge on it. But it was fun.

The kid who died took a research chemical called 25i-nBome. It was developed in 2010. It gives very crazy visuals but not much of a mind-high. They are cheap, maybe $0.50 - $2.00 a blotter tab.

That kid who died was an idiot and probably would have been killed off by something else down the road. I cannot feel bad for anyone that thinks taking random drugs from strangers is a good idea.

One more retard removed from the gene pool. I'd call this a success for humanity.

somany shitty people out there just trying to make money. i know some kids in the btv area that were selling lsh as lsd, they had like 5 captinmorgan bottle full of it. somuch bullshit. its a bunch of shitty festy kids just trying to make scratch off of n00bs. its all games untill kids start dieing.... and yea most of the molly is bullshit. i have 3 diffrent test kits for powders and iv only seen pure molly 3 times in the last year, and its expensive for sure. anywhere from 15-2000 for a oz. and no there isnt any test kit for lsd, unless u have a lab and some pricy chemicals. i read somewhere on shromery  about a tek to test it if youhave a lab

Just going to throw this out there, but remember all those cases of people on bath salts doing crazy shit? All those cases were reported before they had even had blood tests or before anyone could possibly know what they had actually taken, and a lot of them turned out to not actually be on bath salts in the first place.

All these new compounds are very new. It used to be called sketchy when a research chem would've been "researched" (read: used) for 10 years. Now, people are consuming, sometimes on a volontary basis, chemicals that were unknown to the face of the earth months ago... 25i has been around for a while,  a couple years, at most. At first it was tought to be a highly selective 5ht2a agonist (usually safe profile). Guess what, new studies show the other way. And what about all these NBOH that just popped out, they bind to a fuckload of receptors. Truth is we know jackshit about these compounds.

These superpotent psychedelics are active on a sub-miligram level, which means they are most liely to be put on blotters and sold as LSD. Kind of like the new DOx, but worse, because so much easier to obtain that any moron with a computer can try to lay som blotter. Be very fuckin thankful that these compounds arent orally active...

ONE TRICK TO DECIPHER LSD FROM the NBOME Class of drugs. When taking a paper/drop/anything, swallow it. LSD is going to be active orally, nbome's not. It might still be DOx or 5 meo aMT but nowadays that would be a good test to do.... ALSO if its bitter, its a spitter. Guys, acid is tasteless.

And I'm only talking about one class of research chemicals. Cathinones are fucking terrible.

Be safe guys, its not worth hurting yoursef for a high. Well, skiing might be worth haha...

"Oh it's synthetic you say... It's hardly been used or even known about you say... I don't know you but you sound legit."

Damn man, I just heard about this shit the other day. I have a friend whos been dosing up on this shit recently and I need to tell him to quit ASAP.

Yeah man, bangin the black is where its at.

im sp proud of all of you. keep that third eye open.

I already miss the SR

Who the fuck takes acid from a stranger at a music festival?

The guy was probably allergic to it