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willy_baller
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Today in women's slope finals, Emilia Wint threw down a sick run that would have taken 1st. The only problem is that the NBC camera man missed a jump so the judges couldn't see what happened. So her stomped run got thrown out and she got a re run once the weather got bad which led to her casing the 4th jump and destroying her knee.
Dec 16 2012 3:07PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Now -

I totally do agree with you on the point that athletes should use their heads about a contest.

However, there is a ton of money on the line in these things. If an athlete bows out and the contest goes on - and nobody dies - they would miss out on sponsorship dollars, and perhaps be seen as a bit of a 'crybaby'.

I think that contest organizers do have a responsibility to the athletes to delay if the weather is truly unsafe. Every other sport does this.

Of course... now we start to get into the debate of with rules comes the iron clad rule of FIS. I mean, most of those rules are for safety anyway.

Tough call.

Dec 18 2012 4:35PM
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Lemuel
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This happened to Schlopy last year at Killington too. They need a better way of judging.
Dec 18 2012 4:56PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Ok, I definitely think I'm with you here - TBH I'm actually not familiar enough with Players associations. Can you go deeper into what this is? What is different between what the AFP does and what a players association would do?

I do agree with you that an athlete should make a personal decision and be smart - but I also think that there's a balance where event organizers should shut down dangerous things.

So what is a players association and why don't we have it?

Furthermore... I think this gets so much play because it is a really shitty situation and deep down inside most skiers have a ton of trouble shedding our competitive history.

lol

Good debate so far though.
Dec 18 2012 5:20PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Oh man, that would be quite the list. I think you're right, it would absolutely shock and awe a massive amount of people.

Do you know if the salaries are shown for all players, or only the ones with endorsements of publicly-traded companies?

Dec 18 2012 6:03PM
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404404
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I would love to have a list of what people make made public.

It would also be incredibly interesting to look into who is selling, and not selling product. It would be really hard to accurately pin down numbers but I think a general idea could be given. Like how many freestyle skis Salomon has sold in the last five years compared to how much they spend on the team, along with spending money on marketing the team.


Dec 18 2012 6:32PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Oh man... now you're talking. Again, numbers that would shock most people into oblivion.

Dec 18 2012 7:42PM
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Aids.
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THIS^^^^^^
Dec 18 2012 8:16PM
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katrina
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Yea it was both of their year's for sure.

It would still be nice for alli sports to admit what happened, not their fault she got hurt, but it is their fault that she had to do a re-run.

Also definitely should have been a weather delay, they are lucky no one died, sooo sketchy.
Dec 18 2012 9:09PM
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shredatron5000
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this is why comp skiing is GAY
Dec 18 2012 9:27PM
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Twinjibber77
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Har Har Har :]
Dec 18 2012 10:55PM
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2_fadez
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If Salomon is a publicly traded company and has stokeholders (which I have no idea about) then technically their sales and spending reports should be readily available (not sure if that is to anyone though or only stockholders)
Dec 18 2012 11:34PM
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t_rob
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No. They don't have to release anything that isn't explicitly stated by the SEC. Most companies will never release anything more than they have to unless their trying to use it to their advantage. No chance they ever release anything about how much they pay their teams.
Dec 18 2012 11:39PM
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katrina
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you could just start asking everyone really awkwardly
Dec 19 2012 10:49AM
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TheWalterVision
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The issue here is not really the weather or the blown ACL for that matter, the issue is the fact that she had the best run of the day and was screwed out of 25k because of it. Of course a lot of stuff comes down to the athletes judgement, like when or when they don't have the speed for the jumps, but the fact of the matter is she LANDED a run and now is barely getting paid anything for it. Now a lot of you might make the point that she is still getting paid for fourth place, but how do you explain to an athlete that uses skiing as their primary income that they are getting screwed out of money they deserved just for a camera malfunction by a TV network that makes millions of dollars? The least they could do is just pay her the 25k for first place, after all she did qualify first as well!

Again I would like to say that the issue at stake here is not about whether or not athletes should compete in bad weather conditions, it is more about the fact that the probable top finisher was screwed over.
Dec 19 2012 11:30AM
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TheWalterVision
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Hell Ya Iberg I totally support that. I think the intrinsic problem is the fact that the companies have all the power at the moment, and as it stands now they can just pull sponsorships to the skiers/organizations(AFP) that oppose their thinking.

I.E. changing this is gunna be hard as hell
Dec 19 2012 11:43AM
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willy_baller
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yup
Dec 19 2012 9:30PM
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t_rob
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What I said was geared towards publicly traded disclosures.

However, I think the press release would be the best place to disclose that type of information. I just looked up tiger's nike contact and I found the more wowing, Rory McIlroy's $250 million contract. That's wowingly huge. However, Nike is one of the most recognizable companies in the world and Rory is one of the biggest names of golf.

But what about the smaller guy? Dustin Pedroia is one of the better known players in baseball and he has a contract with New Balance which is one of the better known shoe companies. His contract specs weren't in the New Balance Press Release.

As we know, these ski contracts are going to be wowingly small comparably. Comparing a ski contract to a golf contract isn't apples to apples. Rory has made $8 million this year from tournaments. Has a comp skier ever made $80k in a season? This is not comparing apples to apples. It's a whole different world.


Which contracts would be disclosed? All of them? I don't see how releasing how little money these guys make is good for skiing. Is it supposed to get these companies to pay the skiers more? Does it bring more money into skiing? Could it make teams smaller because the resources would be stretched between fewer skiers? I could see it deterring a lot of people from wanting to strive to be a professional as well.

Please explain the positives of disclosures.
Dec 20 2012 1:42AM
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t_rob
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You said it would be really hard. Try impossible.

You would have to group the team together as a whole. And then you can't quantify what sales were generated by the team vs other factors. Then you can't say that each team generates sales from their teams the same way.

So we will never find out about the sales you take away from line and orage compared to what someone else with the same contract size could do. I'm pretty sure this is actually good for 99% of pros.

Dec 20 2012 1:52AM
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deleted5
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happens in ski races ninja warrior and the x games all the time and people fall and fail the 2nd time, life is unfair deal with it.
Dec 20 2012 2:43AM
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ski@jaypeak2
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Not a major point but New Balance is a privately held company. They do not have share holders. Also I believe they have not put out an exact number because they do no pay Dustin Pedroia directly. They make donations to his charities.

Maybe this is something that will play into this as well. If smaller private companies (on3p) take the lead and make their endorsement deals public other larger companies will not show off how much more money they have to spend on athletes.
Dec 20 2012 1:03PM
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t_rob
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The private vs public thing isn't relevant. Nike didn't release how much they pay tiger because they're a publically traded company. Plenty of skiers are on Nike so there is your proof there.
Dec 20 2012 1:53PM
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tskilz
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Fix that knee Emilia and come back stronger ....Get Well Ski Harder.
Skiing Is FUN
Dec 23 2012 2:44PM
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crab_pretzel
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well damn this is crazy. btw, i want you to know we share the same last name. yea.
Dec 24 2012 12:15AM
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