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Session
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191 Jeffery

Dec 7 2012 11:06AM
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FreezerKid
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liberty LTE 184 or something bigger than the 178
Dec 9 2012 11:03AM
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Caucasian_Asian
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200s? 
I had a pair of 190s, and they skied pretty long due to their low profile rocker and flat camber.

If you're interested, I have a buddy that is selling a pair of 190s.
Dec 9 2012 11:45AM
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jalty03
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volkl chopsticks 189 flat underfoot with early rise tip and tail and lighter.
Dec 9 2012 11:52AM
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symmetrical blends.
Dec 9 2012 11:59AM
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NinetyFour
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Folsom Custom Skis, Praxis Skis, The Ski Lab.
Dec 9 2012 12:02PM
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Bumblesteeze
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Strange, I always thought the addict was a good ski to carve on the groomers.
Dec 9 2012 12:21PM
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Newschool_Pope
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185 amplid syntax
Dec 9 2012 8:05PM
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coolflash8
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antigens come in 184, i have them and they are super fun
Dec 9 2012 8:24PM
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Literature
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Well, break this down.

The 186 is only 5cm different from a 191. The only thing that could add with length is a possibly longer turn radius which it doesn't need, given that it's elliptical to begin with.

Even if the rocker length were the same, that would only add about 2.5cm of contact length in the tip and 2.5cm in the tail, which really wouldn't be any better.

The Jeffery is an all-mtn jib machine. Jib. I think the shorter length certainly keeps unnecessary weight out of the tips and tails.

Basically, making it longer would move it out of the niche it occupies. However, check back next year to see the thing Tanaka is cooking up in AK.
Dec 9 2012 9:34PM
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last_tango
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You really had to throw the tails around to turn them. I gave them to a friend of mine and he said the same thing with having to trow the tails to turn them. Damn good when they are going straight, they blast through everything while going straight.
Dec 9 2012 10:36PM
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OGoriginal-gaper
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182 anthem
Dec 10 2012 2:31AM
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DUKES
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they will be coming out with a 180+ length for the one time next year
Dec 10 2012 5:39AM
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Tucks
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Fischer addict pro in a 184
Dec 10 2012 7:27AM
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Session
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I know about the Tanaka thing. Pretty dope IMO. And I realize that a 191 Jeffery would take it out of it's niche. This is just me, personally I would love to get down on a 191, and maybe with a little extra carbon. Don't blame me for my love of the 191 length, blame Scott.

BUT, I spent significant time on the 191 BG finally over the weekend, and it's pretty much the only ski I want to be on at the moment.
Dec 10 2012 10:36AM
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OGoriginal-gaper
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there sick good job
Dec 11 2012 12:56AM
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snakerton
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a pow ski that is as light as k2 backup but the size of hellbents that has a wood core.
Dec 11 2012 1:08AM
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Joebin
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A ski that is symmetrical with a fat under foot, around 90, stiffer with carbon stringers. Rocker tip and tail with a full vertical sidewall. Basically the Domain, but stiffer and a little more all mountain based.
Dec 11 2012 1:18AM
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SirBooley
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longer one time's….i'm 6'3"
Dec 11 2012 1:36AM
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haggis_hunter
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Also a version of the Bacon thats longer than 184 ditto for the influence in 186.
Dec 11 2012 6:30AM
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VD.
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^This, 186 just seems to small

Dec 11 2012 8:12AM
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TGOD
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how about some 2012 line invaders! I miss the fuck out if these skis :( still have my 2009s
Dec 11 2012 10:29AM
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Session
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the Influence 115 comes in 192.
Dec 11 2012 10:34AM
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SirBooley
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The skis i really want are the ON3P Filthy riches in 186.

DO they exist? yes…

are they in stock? FUUUUUUUUUUUUuUUU
Dec 11 2012 10:46AM
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DaysToCome
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mine would be a 183 one time
Dec 11 2012 12:41PM
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I_liketobutter
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180-184 lizzie, about 5-7mm narrower in all dimensions, 10% stiffer, and a tad of tip and tail rocker
Dec 11 2012 1:10PM
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Mr_pretzel
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then its not the lizzie anymore. i have really been trying to figure this out.

If it gets narrower i doesnt have the same surf style anymore and the tail and tip rocker would also remove some of that feeling.
Dec 11 2012 1:38PM
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Twig
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surely rocker adds to the loose/surfy feel? I reckon a little bit narrower maybe 134-105-132, with the tips slightly raised like the chronic would be on the money, definitely mini-cap it.
Dec 11 2012 3:00PM
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Round-Four
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i want to see a company start pumping out 210 straight skis again
Dec 11 2012 3:17PM
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I_liketobutter
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I've always thought its the short turn radius, sidecut shape, and flex that gives it that surfy feel. i guess for my ideal ski, I'd start with the lizzie or an older bacon as a base and go from there.
Dec 11 2012 3:50PM
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CDdesign
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200mm underfoot ski @200cm length  with crazy rocker... and that whole boat hull thing fischer does... they will be called the canoe!  and they will be pond skim champions!!!
Dec 11 2012 3:53PM
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I.B
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A pair of full symetrical, cambered, park skis FROM ON3P
Dec 11 2012 3:54PM
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Mr_pretzel
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And i_liketobutter:


I'm really trying to study this at the moment.

I think i have concluded that, yes rocker does make kinda a surfy feel. But its not the same as the way lizzies surf. Coming from a kid thats skied over at least 40 pairs of skis, lizzies are truly special. Just look at the new bacon. Really similar dimentions, but add rocker and you get a whole new feel.

Rocker would only add the the butterability of the ski and remove the special kind of surf.

Yes the sidecut and flex are huge players in the feel, but i also think the width contributes a lot, the edge to edge movement is pretty dialed and i feel like i would have to play around a lot with dimensions to get the same feel.

I dont think it needs to get slimmer, shaving of a few mm wouldn't really give you more advantage in the park. I just think i needs to get longer, but keep the same sidecut.
It also needs to be light so i agree on the mini cap part.

I am i no way saying no too your ideas. I think they could both turn out too really awesome skis. But my quest here is to really keep the essence of the lizzie but improve it and make it capable of being a everyday park ski.

Any ideas?

(I really hope that made sense)

Dec 11 2012 4:32PM
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kootenayklaus
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182 Joystick THESE.

Dec 11 2012 4:39PM
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Mr_pretzel
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This obviously applies to hardpack.
Dec 11 2012 4:58PM
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I_liketobutter
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Word, I can definitely agree with those points. I skied 140+ days on my first pair of lizzies and I have 200+ on my current pair, but the current pair are trashed, no camber, almost convex bases under foot, no pop, completely dead :( I bought a pair of the "new" bacons last year and they're just not the same. The lizzie is such a great, unique ski.

I wish Line would scrap the blend or overhaul it to become that longer lizzie. Right now its identity seems as if it's just a ski stuck between a noodle all mtn ski and a lizzie.

Its too bad pollard has sorta moved on from designing something like a lizzie. The new bacon is an all mtn champ and really does do it all but doesn't feel anything like the previous bacon and seems like it needs a lot more speed to perform like its meant to perform.
Dec 11 2012 10:40PM
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Mr_pretzel
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I actually like the blend. Wish i could get some more time on them.

I feel like the mass market has taken over pollards designs. It's not as free and niche as before. How the market is today every damn ski has to be good at everything. Which i understand if your only getting one ski. But we dont need every powski to be able to rip a mogul line. or vise versa.

I do not believe at all the pollard doesnt ski the ep anymore, or atleast something very close to the ep. He loved that ski so much and it really showed through his skiing.
Dec 12 2012 11:22AM
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iffe
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I thought about this too. He had a similar ski for many years and then all of a sudden went in a completely different direction.
Dec 12 2012 12:18PM
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Valhalla.
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Boom. Maybe a little wider too.

What are those? 95 underfoot?
Dec 12 2012 1:44PM
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EL.JUANO
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Dec 12 2012 6:38PM
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*SURFACE
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Hold tight on the ONE TIME... 183cm coming at you soon.
Dec 12 2012 6:48PM
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Chris.B
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Filthy riches with Jiberish collab topsheet
Dec 12 2012 6:53PM
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roddy116
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rossi ghetto blasters
Dec 12 2012 7:36PM
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bt@509
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172 Lizzies with 15-20mm cut out of the center. That would be the absolute ultimate jib ski in my mind. For me anyways. Also a 115 wide, pop rocker cambered, symmetrical, medium soft pow ski in a 172. Not sure if I would want an elliptical sidecut or not with something like that. Testing, testing, and more testing. There's a lot of possibilities.
Dec 12 2012 7:56PM
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blindside
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Symmetrical first generation hellbent (like 145-120-145), maybe a litte lighter too..
Dec 12 2012 10:32PM
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I_liketobutter
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I feel like there used to be a lot more soft skis out there. Seems as though more and more skis are getting stiffer which I am not a fan of.
Dec 12 2012 10:43PM
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iffe
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So... Anthems?
Dec 13 2012 3:46AM
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FreezerKid
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not a fan of rockered park skis, and cause of the rocker run more like a 180
Dec 13 2012 4:58AM
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blindside
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I feel that. Every year companies either come out with a new stiff ski, or remake older models stiffer.
Dec 13 2012 12:52PM
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bt@509
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Anthems seem to have a different sidecut and flex pattern.
Dec 13 2012 2:08PM
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iffe
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Yes, you are of course correct. They are relatively close though.

In my opinion if you remove the 'extra' width of the Elizabeths, they become completely different and lose that signature feel they have.
Dec 13 2012 2:49PM
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