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Noha
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Whos thought about it?
Nov 30 2012 6:54PM
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accualyisdolan
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The thing is, in some cultures suicide is considered a noble thing like in Japan. I mostly feel bad for people who hated life so much that they attempt it.
Dec 1 2012 6:33PM
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accualyisdolan
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Here's a vid on suicide forest
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=4FDSdg09df8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4FDSdg09df8
Dec 1 2012 6:36PM
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roddy116
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well under special circumstances... and not anymore in japan at least.
Dec 1 2012 6:39PM
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easiestEC
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true story hahaha
Dec 1 2012 6:40PM
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Mr.Panda
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Like... 500 years ago maybe.

NOW, it brings nothing but shame down on the ENTIRE family.
Dec 1 2012 6:43PM
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californiagrown
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Lost 1 friend to suicide freshman year of high school. He had been joking about it during football practice on thursday, and jumped infront of a train in front of our school that monday. I felt horrible, knowing that i could have played a part in stopping it.

Lost another friend sophmore year. We knew he was depressed and we had talked to him and adults sbout it. he jumped infront of a train that runs about 50 feet behind the visitor sideline of our schools football field. It was 2nd quarter of our final game that he did it, and everyone knew what it meant when there was a train stopped on the tracks directly next to the field. that sucked having to keep playing.

I have had my dark times where i have thought a lot about it, and how much relief it would bring me. how it would just be so much easier to end it instead of living out my shitty, painful existence that took sooooo much effort to live. But knowing how much pain it causes to people around you has made it never an option i would do. I would literally sit there crying feeling so sorry for myself knowing that the pain would continue because i would never try and put my pain on those around me.

that is literally what you do when you kill yourself- you take all your pain and sorrow and tiredness, multiply it and put it on those around you. it is the most selfish act you can do in life. I think everyone thinks about it at some point, few think of it as a viable option, and even fewer try to follow through with it.
Dec 1 2012 6:44PM
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roddy116
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actually the latest one heard of with a shogun or general killing himself was world war 2.
Dec 1 2012 6:45PM
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El_Barto.
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thats the soldiers admitting defeat. Completely different than your average suicide.
Dec 1 2012 6:53PM
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roddy116
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thats what soldiers (generals, samurai) did back during japans old days. it was considered an honorable suicide.
Dec 1 2012 7:04PM
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Mr.Panda
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Not now is the point.
Dec 1 2012 7:09PM
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.Jacob
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This thread made me quite angry, people need to realize that shrugging off the idea of suicide is not as easy as they think. A lot of you should have a lot more respect for the people who need to go through these situations.
Dec 1 2012 8:03PM
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Peach.
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You can't expect someone who has never been around a suicide survivor, been there, or known someone who has been lost to suicide to understand the gravity of the situation. It's cool. I get it.
Dec 1 2012 11:27PM
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Da_Buddha
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blame it on scumbag brain
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Dec 1 2012 11:56PM
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llambert
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permanent solution to a temporary problem, chances are lots of people love you and you just dont know it
Dec 2 2012 9:24AM
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Bogs
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not really a temporary problem. a lot of people who get to that point struggle with it their whole lives.
Dec 2 2012 9:41AM
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Bodhisattva_
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This is exactly what I try to explain to people! Like to me, the world is a huge fuckign place and life is the most amazing thing. Just to simply live. If you get to a point where you are going to kill yourself because you truly give zero fucks... man, that would be a liberating feeling. Really truly not caring if you lived or died and where you went/what you did... You could do ANYTHING. Like fuck, go be a beach bum or a criminal or something, anything, before killing yourself.
Dec 2 2012 9:45AM
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Bogs
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you'd be surprised
Dec 2 2012 9:57AM
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Inspire
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I occasionally sucide, when playing BF3. Sucks when you spawn into a jet someone has already taken..
Dec 2 2012 9:59AM
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AndyGreen
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Dec 2 2012 2:10PM
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Skittle.
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my best friend (call him my brother, lived next door to me for most of growing up) tried to slit his throat. and he was close. in the hospital for weeks. he and i are so damn thankful every day that hes still alive. has a scar to always remember how hard life can get and how you can overcome it. effected my life pretty bad, i cant imagine how it would be if he wasnt still around.
Dec 2 2012 2:26PM
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VT_scratch
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I know what you mean, but with all those things, "beach bum, criminal, traveling etc" you'd have to be stoked to do. when someones really depressed it's not that they don't care if they live or die so they wanna go do crazy things! and be reckless! and live it up because there are no consequences! but it's usually that nothing brings them pleasure, hope, energy, etc. so any of those mentioned things seem to bring no more value to them than sitting in bed all day, sleeping, etc.
Dec 2 2012 2:35PM
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yourthemannowdog
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I don't think it is selfish at all. I think it is selfish to be so connected or dependent on someone else. If someone is in a great deal of pain (mentally) and they kill themselves, why can't you be content with there decision?

Being depressed because you crave the attention drawn from pity is a different topic, but I think that chronic depression can make suicide just.


Just a random fact, but did you know women attempt suicide more often than men and men die more from suicide than women.
Dec 2 2012 3:04PM
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DeRizzo
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I've had rough times, and never ever ever considered doing it. Think of everything you have now. There's nothing to gain from doing it, but there is so much to lose.
Dec 2 2012 5:21PM
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lgski
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No.. It's because everyone feels the need to make jokes about it, which is sick. And to add to it, people saying they have thought about it many times? Get a therapist, don't post it on the Internet.
Dec 2 2012 5:31PM
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B.Aussie
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It's baffling how much ignorance is in this thread.
Dec 2 2012 5:38PM
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mmmpoundcake
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i feel you completely, i have had the same instants only one fell through two others stopped.


To the people who say fuck people who do it, i understand your frustration, but unless you have thought about it, and or witnessed a close one do or try, you never will really understand.
Dec 2 2012 5:46PM
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yourthemannowdog
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You sound ignorant to the idea of chronic depression. Try to imagine skiing a waste deep PERFECT powder day and getting to the bottom of each run tired and bored. Imagine having sex with the women of your dreams and being miserable. Imagine biting in to the most decadent delicious meal of your life and feeling disappointed after your first bite.

Sure there are so many amazing things relative to the interest of the public, but you can't enjoy any of it. Why would you want to live if there was nothing to do? (It might sound loaded, but the question is genuine. Think)

You could say "hey at least you can help others, that has nothing to do with the individual!", but selfless things are indeed selfish acts. You help that poor old lady who just fell because you are afraid of being called an ass for ignoring her. I can delv into this more, but the principle is the right thing is something that pushes you from being a villain
Dec 2 2012 6:28PM
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Peach.
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This is perfect.
Dec 2 2012 6:54PM
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Mr.Panda
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I hate to be like this, but honestly, this is straight ignorant.

When you are at that stage where you are sitting with the gun loaded this is how your brain works:

-I was skiing Mt. Baker that year, we had a great deal of snowfall that year. As soon as I got to the mountain, I wanted to go home and just go back to bed. Thigh deep powder days running North Face, Pan Face, and Canyon all day with people I knew (people who have skied Baker will know these runs)... I am bored and just want to go home.

-I would go on marching band trips, full of friends and everything. All I would want to do is be at home with my dg, the one thing that actually made me feel "human"/not feeling like garbage.

-I was a junior in high school at this time so a bunch of requirements were coming down the pipe. Cause of this, things like playing video games took a back seat but I still would play some. It's something that even to this day at 24 is what I do to kinda calm down, unwind, and just have some chill fun. I would start up a game like Halo 1 or KOTOR... I would get to the "start" screen and then urn i off.

-I had what I guess could be called a gf. Even being with her, when she would try her DAMNDEST just to make me smile or stop looking like I wanted to just go curl up in a corner by myself, couldn't get me to even really hug her back or anything.


THAT'S the place you are at when contemplating suicide. The things you love to do, you can't just "oh, go do something fun!"... it's just not that easy.
Dec 2 2012 7:10PM
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llambert
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false, dont kill yourself
Dec 2 2012 7:14PM
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Dragonite.
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This.
Dec 2 2012 7:25PM
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alvy.
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I see where you are coming from, but you are thinking from the point of view of someone who isn't depressed/suicidal.

The problem with depression is that the person does not think that life is the most amazing thing. They hate themselves so much that they do not care where they are or how amazing life "can" be, because they have made the decision in their head that the life you speak of is unreachable for them because they either aren't enough or don't deserve it.

Dec 2 2012 7:55PM
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Peach.
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Imagine everything is gray and all the things you used to enjoy are just dull. Imagine waking up like that every single day for years.
Dec 2 2012 7:59PM
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Treestman
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what does homosexuality have to do with suicide?
Dec 2 2012 8:00PM
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Zimmerman
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This thread has so many shitty responses.

I've definitely pondered what it would be like. I'd be standing on an edge or something thinking to myself: "It's this fucking easy. Could you do it?"

To the people who think it's selfish: You don't owe your life to anyone but yourself. I notion that I need to stay alive and be miserable for others is ridiculous.
Dec 2 2012 8:04PM
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TheBlueMtSkier
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Word
Dec 2 2012 8:05PM
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Bogs
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what is "false?" you'd have to live under a rock not to know that for a lot of people their depression is never really "cured," so it's not, as you said, a "temporary problem"
Dec 2 2012 8:20PM
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futurespin
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How many of you guys thinking about suicide are still in HS? HS can be a tough time.. Seriously. Your mid 20s will be some of the best years of your life... Wait until you are 25 and then make the decision to kill yourself or not.
Dec 2 2012 8:45PM
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grapejuice3000+
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first two years of high school were fucking rough, but im glad i didnt do it. theres so much to look forward to.
Dec 2 2012 8:56PM
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theabortionator
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Papa roach.


Also I don't buy the "suicide attempts".


Generally just a cry for help and they don't actually want to die. If you really want to kill yourself it's pretty fucking easy. I'm not saying people haven't failed at it, but seriously, taking 5 baby tylenol is not much of a suicide attempt.


Most suicide attempts are attempts because the person didn't want to go through with it/wanted somebody to find them/ wanted somebody to care.



Suicide sucks but I can relate. To all the people who bitch about how "selfish" it is to kill yourself. How selfish is it to want somebody to stick around through insanely fucked up shit because YOU can't handle them being gone. To me that's far more selfish. I'm not saying suicide is the answer but get off your high horse.

Do people jump too quickly toward that in bad situations, for sure, but I just don't agree with the way some people view it.

Dec 2 2012 9:02PM
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Mr.Panda
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I was a junior and senior in high school and then I was a freshman in college the last time I thought about it.

Part of it for me too was I had at least one family relative or close family friend die every school year. Sometimes two would pass away.
Dec 2 2012 9:02PM
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m-tang
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Sorry that was very poorly phrased, but yes Im saying thats how I used to think, mainly because I couldnt understand it, not that I actually looked down on people.
Dec 2 2012 10:09PM
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.AR6rider.
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Hahaha sick advice.
Dec 2 2012 10:10PM
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PJS.
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thought the same thing lol

'killing yourself is fine, just not in hs'
Dec 3 2012 7:25PM
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paige.
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Depression doesn't neccesarily make sense like that. The times its been the worst are when I should have been happiest. Knowing that you should be happy/there are people with 'real reasons' for being unhappy just adds layers of guilt that feed the depression.
Like last year it hit when for the first time ever I had a great friend-group that was a ton of fun, had transfered degrees, figured out what I wanted to do with my life, liked and was doing well in my classes etc. My life was 1000x better than it had been in years and I was so miserable I could barely function. Simple tasks like getting out of bed, going to the bank, cooking dinner were overwhelming.
High school was awful but I and my friends were ok despite that. Now that we're almost finished college most of us are in therapy and a number of us on anti-depressants.
I hope you're right and things will turn around in the next couple years. I really do. But it really isn't the case that these things turn off after high school if they're truly a chronic problem and not a result of teenage social anxiety.
Dec 3 2012 8:57PM
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SeniorLivin
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Its funny you say that, when I was in high school I made a deal with myself (legit enough that I remember it now, years later), that if I got to university and if things didn't get better I would kill myself. I was literally like "OK, 2 more years of this shit, then on to college, which is apparently the shit, and if it sucks as much as this then I'm done". Guess I'm breaking my promise? Lolidunno
Dec 3 2012 9:07PM
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theabortionator
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Generally we don't agree on here, at least it seems that way but I totally feel you here.
Dec 3 2012 9:13PM
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Peach.
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Or you know having surgery to have an artery stitched closed in your arm after having your mom walk into your room.
Eh, probably just a pussy.
Dec 3 2012 9:38PM
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ALaw
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I don't think that's the kind of "attempt" he was talking about
Dec 3 2012 9:52PM
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theabortionator
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I'm just saying that If I wanted to kill myself I would. Pop some pills and jump off a bridge or something. Go into the woods and just do it. A million different things.

A lot of people that get caught wanted it that way. Maybe subconsciously but it's really not that hard to kill yourself.

Sucks if you put yourself in that spot and nobody is there to help you though.
Dec 3 2012 10:06PM
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