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FightYourDesire
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Hello everyone

The season is almost there and I am thinking of buying a pair of twins to go beyond what I currently do in skiing. My situation is the following:

HEIGHT/WEIGHT/AGE: Respectively 180 cm / 73 kg / 23 y o
LOCATION: My main skiing area is french alps. La Plagne specifically if it makes any difference.
SKI LEVEL: It is hard to say. The last two seasons I did touring skis with the guide and I would say it was survival level of difficuilty but I cannot say my technique is perfect. In fact I would say that if I skied more regularly I could improve significantly. But ok if I have to decide I would say lvl - expert.
BUDGET: I expect to spend no more then 1000$
WHAT FOR: And finally the part, you, pros are going to be pissed about. I need skis for basically everything. The ski I CAN do implies almost all kinds of snow and the skis have to be ok on at least a bit of powder. But what I WANT to learn is to try sth in the park already so I am looking for skis that would allow me to try things.

I would be really greatful for any kind of advice
Thanks
Nov 28 2012 4:23PM
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.AR6rider.
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ON3P Jeronimo or Jeffery?
Nov 28 2012 4:50PM
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Ali_Dibden
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Check out the LINE blends, this is exactly what they are made for, all mountain, they are twin tip but with a 100mm waist so perform really well in powder too, they are a fantastic ski check them out.

Nov 28 2012 5:06PM
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FightYourDesire
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So for my case you think 100 waist is a must? From what I could learn from google myself I thought sth like 90 would be ok. I mean the ski companies often have 90 for their allmountain models.

BTW forgot to mention 1000$ is including bindings.
Nov 28 2012 5:25PM
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Gmart
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nice thing is you have a few options
Line Blend
Line Chronic
Salomon Rocker2 90
Nordica Soul Rider
Atomic Theory
Volkl Bridge

Bindings wise, I would look into
Marker Griffon
Marker Jester (higher din giffon)
Salomon STH 14
Rossi FKS 14

all of these are great one ski quivers and you would like all of them. Now it's up to you to decide how much you're looking to spend. Any one of those skis + bindings should come out to be under how much you're looking to spend. Enjoy!
Nov 28 2012 8:23PM
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SwagasaurusRex
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Look at the Line Sir Francis Bacon as well. That is a very versatile ski.


Also I would suggest getting either Marker Griffon Schizo's or Marker Jester Schizo's. You will likely want to be able to change the mount of the ski on the fly if its your one ski quiver.
Nov 28 2012 11:07PM
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Gmart
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Yea another great option! Schizo is a little heavy but does it's job very well
Nov 29 2012 7:51AM
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FightYourDesire
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Thanks a lot!
I myself was considering K2 sight and El Rey. Are they too narrow in waist?
And btw what length should I take if I am 180? I don't really think I need skis longer than myself. Sth around 170-180 would be ok?
Nov 29 2012 8:04AM
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onenerdykid
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Far too narrow, but you are from a ski culture that thinks 72mm is normal. This community will think 100mm is the perfect waist width for all mountain because 70 is race, 130 is powder.

With modern shapes and rocker profiles, looking at anything below 95mm and shorter than you will be a waste of your time and money. Definitely take a look at the Atomic Alibi- 98mm underfoot, wood core, titanium backbone for stability, rocker in the tip & tail but camber underfoot. And you can find them in Europe.
Nov 29 2012 8:22AM
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FightYourDesire
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Even though I am not that confident about my ski level? Don't get me wrong I ski every season for a couple of weeks in french Alps but then I take a break for almost a year. Until the next season. Because I am living in Russia actually and we have no good mountains there. However there are some not bad ski parks. Sooo what I actually wanted to say is that I am not perfect (probabaly could be if was skiing regularly for a month or so but still)
Nov 29 2012 8:52AM
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onenerdykid
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Yes, for a couple of reasons- rocker makes the skis feel shorter. So, a 180cm ski quite often feels like 172-175 on snow. Also, skis have HUGE sweet spots now. They are so easy to ski, at slow speeds and high. Think of a nice ski as a nice sport car (not race car)- they drive very easily at 60km/hr and at 150km/hr. That's what modern skis are like- super easy to ski and super fun.
Nov 29 2012 8:57AM
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FightYourDesire
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Wow sounds really good=)
And a little dumb question if I may: the bindings title on an on-line store is Maker Griffon 13 Schizo. What does 13 here stand for?
Nov 29 2012 9:05AM
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onenerdykid
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When a number is associated with a binding, it refers to the maximum release setting (DIN) and secondarily the construction. The higher the DIN, the better the durability. A nice binding is like an investment- they are more durable and last longer so you can take it off and put it on your next ski purchase.
Nov 29 2012 10:07AM
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FightYourDesire
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Thanks!

Allright I see that ppl in here like specific questions so let me put is this way:
Nordica Soulrider (177 or 185cm ?) / Line Blend (178 or 185cm ?).
And does everyone agree on marker griffon schizo bindings?

Nov 29 2012 10:31AM
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SwagtasticWalrus
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Line Blend, ON3P Jeffrey
Nov 29 2012 10:43AM
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Gmart
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Schizo for sure, the longer ski no matter which you chose. It may take some time to get used to but you'll kick yourself in the long run if you don't.
Nov 29 2012 12:44PM
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FightYourDesire
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What about Line Chronic? It is 0.2kg lighter then Blend of the same length. Does it make a lot of difference?
Nov 29 2012 6:25PM
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FightYourDesire
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Jeffrey 110 waist isn't too much for my mixed ski plan?
Nov 29 2012 8:47PM
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AndyGreen
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Look at the line sfb, extremely fun and rips everywhere
Nov 30 2012 1:07AM
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snakerton
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I was just about to say this
Nov 30 2012 1:08AM
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SwagtasticWalrus
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Naa man they're sick! And yeah check out the Bacons too
Nov 30 2012 1:09AM
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Gmart
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Ehh, but the chronic and blend are two totally different skis
Nov 30 2012 7:50AM
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FightYourDesire
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Yeah but you recommended both of them in the beginning. I see that in case of chronic accent is more on the park skiing.

And I still feel uneasy to buy 185 skis cos in the on-line web stores with my parameters they recommend 175-180 for some reason..
Nov 30 2012 11:11AM
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onenerdykid
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You are exactly the same height and weight as me. I ski a 186cm ski for all mountain, a 193cm for more open terrain, and my piste ski is 184cm. I live in Austria, so we ski on similar terrain (if you are back in France).

Most online sizing is poor- just like trying to find your size ski boot based on a sizing chart. With these skis, because of their rocker, their effective "on-snow" length is much shorter than a traditional fully cambered piste ski. If you lay a piste ski on the ground, the contact point where the tip and tail touch the ground is much more to the extremities than these skis. Modern all mountain skis have the their tip and tails lifted which moves the contact point further inward, thus making a longer ski feel shorter when on snow.

This then makes a 185cm ski (which has rocker in tip and tail) feel closer to a 175. If you bought a 175 all mountain ski (which had tip and tail rocker) it would ski like a 165-170. That would be wholly wrong for you someone of your size.
Nov 30 2012 1:37PM
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onenerdykid
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I also think that 110mm is too wide for you (mentally). I know the ski culture you are used to and that number usually seems far too huge for most Europeans. If you went with something 95-105mm underfoot, you would have enough flotation for powder and still have a ski that was really fun on-piste.
Nov 30 2012 1:38PM
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FightYourDesire
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Thanks! Sounds really convincing. Why noone mentioned moment PB&Js? In the web they seem to be positioned as versatile as well
Nov 30 2012 7:47PM
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FightYourDesire
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bump?
Dec 2 2012 4:39PM
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50Kal
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Moment makes good skis but your out of the states. The amount of money to have them sent to France would be extraordinary unless you can find a used pair thats already in France. This goes for ON3P as well. Good skis but no international sellers.
Dec 2 2012 4:46PM
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FightYourDesire
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Okey.
How about armada TSTs, why not them?
Dec 2 2012 5:41PM
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FightYourDesire
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The time goes on and I am surfing and surfing internet absorbing info on all the skis that correspond to my needs. And it seems like for some reson a lump of brands have fallen out of scope. For example nobody mentioned faction which has prodigy model that seems to be approx what i need. the same about rossignol or born2ride. I didn know some of the brands before that at all but why nobody else comes up with them? At the same time several ppl say that Line Blend is a good thing to have. What I am asking is: is there some reason behind that? Or just maybe ppl know blend are or and they recommend them.. cos they seem to be very popular
Dec 2 2012 6:50PM
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FightYourDesire
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bumb?
Dec 3 2012 8:13AM
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PaleCelery
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How about the dynastar 6th sense slicer.... You are French after all
Dec 3 2012 8:24AM
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FightYourDesire
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I am not but thx=) are there any other reasons to pickthem and not anything else besides the fact that they are french?
Dec 3 2012 11:33AM
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FightYourDesire
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I am not but thx=) are there any other reasons to pickthem and not anything else besides the fact that they are french?
Dec 3 2012 11:41AM
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PaleCelery
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They are very similar to the blends, 98 underfoot tip and tail rocker. I just got back from skiing park all day at mount snow on them and they kill it. Lives these skis so far. Highly recommended
Dec 3 2012 6:35PM
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