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Calling All Atheists

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Olimar
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***First off I just want to say im not trying to start a shit storm by any means although unfortunately, one is most likely imminent.

I just have a quick question for you. I'm a practicing Catholic. That being said, Im not some radical, fundamentalist that tries to shove religion or God down peoples throats. Please re-read that last statement before you try to post some smart comment. But any way, Im NOT a creationist. I believe in evolution and the big bang theory simply because evolution has been proven and the big bang theory is the most plausible explanation for how our universe came to exist. But my question for all the atheists that dont believe in any god at all, is how did that hot, microscopic ball of gasses and other matter come about? Once again, im just curious to hear how atheists explain this or if the majority of them believe in a different theory of how the universe first came about. Im not trying to push religion on any one.
Nov 15 2012 6:30PM
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Jblz
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dude fuck you stop believing in fairy tales
Nov 15 2012 6:31PM
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klayer_9
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what the fuck are you talking about bro?


if you want a basic understanding of how the universe/stars/planets came to be go watch The Cosmos
with Carl Sagan. It's on netflix.

And OP in the future don't make threads this lame.
Nov 15 2012 6:34PM
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cbj
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You have a major flaw with your argument. Implying the matter at the start of the universe needs a beginning, and saying that a God created it, would also imply that something had to create God. And in the mind of every religion, nothing created God because nothing is greater than God.
Nov 15 2012 6:35PM
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sweet_caroline
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If you want to know more about the big bang, I would suggest you refer to scientific articles written by physicists instead of Newschoolers. Probably not the most reliable source if you want valuable scientific information.
Nov 15 2012 6:35PM
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EmperorKuzco
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Atheists suck, go bring your miserableness somewhere else.
Nov 15 2012 6:36PM
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Olimar
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Touche. But to the others, no need to be hostile. I was just curious.
Nov 15 2012 6:36PM
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timmi
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*realism
Nov 15 2012 6:38PM
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Ahmadinejad
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Nov 15 2012 6:38PM
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howlongcanausern
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ITT: atheists butthurt because they know they're wrong
Nov 15 2012 6:39PM
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theabortionator
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Wait WUT?

Do people actually believe this?

People believe in evolution and the big bang, but also believe in God and the bible?


I'm guessing this is a joke.


I'm agnostic btw. At least for the purpose of this thread.
Nov 15 2012 6:40PM
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.tony
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Who cares how it happened? it was so long ago anything could have happened. Im christian but leave it for scientists and evolutionists to worry about. You are just setting yourself up for a few morons to start arguing about religions haha. But i think that small amount of matter came from somewhere else, but like i said, anything could have happened no matter how much "proof" there may be...
Nov 15 2012 6:40PM
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Radio
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poll: who are more arrogant douches that try to force their beliefs, atheists or chistians
Nov 15 2012 6:41PM
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Miomo
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Exactly this. There is actually 11. There can be universes with more than 11, however they are highly unstable and collapse down to 11.
Nov 15 2012 6:41PM
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Miomo
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Correction: What has a higher absolute value. 3, or -3?
Nov 15 2012 6:43PM
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ILLinoisance
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I'm a humanist agnostic because I do not believe believe that humans are capable knowing the cause of our existence. I also believe that organized religion is, for the most part, detrimental in advancing society as a whole. While one side of the debate is constantly looking to science for answers to questions, the religious side uses self-righteous justifications and ignorance to answer questions posed to them.
Nov 15 2012 6:43PM
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k-rob
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i don't really care about what happened before the big bang because nothing did.
Nov 15 2012 6:43PM
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cbj
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I would say before this "There is theorised to be eleven". We cannot actually prove more 11 dimensions exist, but we can speculate models of them.
Nov 15 2012 6:44PM
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Ahmadinejad
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Nov 15 2012 6:44PM
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EmperorKuzco
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I'm just as realist as the next guy, no I do not believe in 1 all powerful god, yes I believe that the big bang/evolution happened and no I do not think there is a heaven and a hell. But do I want to believe there is no other power that controls what happens, no. That is boring. Maybe I take a Buddhist perspective I dunno.
Nov 15 2012 6:46PM
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whipple
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Yes, I believe in God and evolution. I don't think the bible is meant to be taken seriously, your just supposed to take away the morals / ethics of it. As for the big bang, you can always say how did the big bang start? Ik atheists then say well how did God start, for which I have no answer. There will always be things we will never know.
Nov 15 2012 6:49PM
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HWW
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I respect that you don't want to force religion on anyone, but I have a simple answer for your question, and although it is not very easy to explain, I will try.

We may ask, where the matter in our universe came from, and one could either suggest that a being unimaginable/unknown to us created this matter, or that this question is unanswerable.

Then, why not ask where this unknown being came from, the same way we asked where matter came from? It seems more simple to save a step, and stay with the first choice - that we cannot know. Projecting a god or something "special" just adds on more questions, and doesn't provide anything in the way of answers.

As you asked what atheists say, I can't really answer - I am not an atheist; I believe in fairies, but for me, string theory (little evidence as of now) seems to have a possible explanation, in which multiple energy fields (non-matter) collided, and this made matter and anti-matter, and somehow some of the matter didn't get annihilated.

On a final note, it's important to say that, just because I don't know an answer in regard of where the universe came from, I don't want to simply be satisfied with a temporary solution which others provide for me.
Nov 15 2012 6:52PM
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IDMT_BC024
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Well the short answer is that no one knows, the big bang is the earliest event that we have any knowledge of. But I'll flip the question around, why do you think that just because we are not scientifically advanced enough to completely explain everything about our universe God is even a slightly plausible explanation for the gaps in our knowledge?
Since at least the invention of agriculture a god or multiple gods' power was the explanation for everything: gravity, rain, why the sun rises, etc. As science and technology became more advanced humans found that there natural forces that do not require a God cause these natural phenomenons. Your argument is no more valid than a priest in the middle ages claiming that God must exist because no one could explain how mountains form, therefor God was the only explanation.
Honestly I don't understand how anyone can believe that there is a human like God who created the universe and loves us like his children. I'm not saying that its impossible that God exists, but its also not impossible that there is a giant undetectable teapot orbiting Earth. Both seem about equally likely to me.
Nov 15 2012 6:52PM
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midwestpowhunter
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not being judgmental OP but the only people that are practicing catholics that believe that arent actually catholic. maybe by proclamation but not by definition. you are a cafeteria christian, picking and choosing what parts of your religion you want to subscribe to. You are about 10-20 hrs of research away from being agnostic.
Nov 15 2012 6:54PM
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Jblz
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YOU ARENT GOING TO FIND ANY ANSWERS BY MAKING THREADS ON NS.....................THINK ABOUT IT FOR YOURSELF..................FIND YOUR OWN MEANING OF LIFE AND LIVE IT HOMIE...............THAT IS ALL
Nov 15 2012 6:56PM
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Bateman
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best post on ns in months
Nov 15 2012 7:01PM
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CheddarJack
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I'm guessing this is a joke?

I'm also guessing you've been to a Christian mass
Nov 15 2012 7:06PM
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CheddarJack
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wtf I wrote a lot more about how you can be Christian/Catholic and believe in evolution but it got deleted...

I don't wanna re-write it though, I gotta study
Nov 15 2012 7:07PM
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Bogs
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i dont know how the big bang happened. i dont see why that is so bad. humans are funny that way, i guess, always needing an explanation for everything. always needing to KNOW everything.
Nov 15 2012 7:08PM
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CheddarJack
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fuck sorry for triple post but that line should've been:
"I'm also guessing you've been to a Christian mass
Nov 15 2012 7:08PM
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CheddarJack
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I'm also guessing you've been to a Christian mass less than 5 times.
God dammit I'm done with this thread
Nov 15 2012 7:09PM
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brosephstalin
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there is no god but allah and muhammad is his prophet
Nov 15 2012 7:11PM
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brosephstalin
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wow with your profile pic you must be a real patriot

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Nov 15 2012 7:12PM
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theabortionator
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What the hell is the point of it if you don't take it seriously?

If it's just for the morals and ethics why don't we teach aesops fables.

" As for the big bang, you can always say how did the big bang start?"

Of course you can, and it's a damn good question.

"Ik atheists then say well how did God start, for which I have no answer. "

Another good question.

"There will always be things we will never know."

That's why I'm agnostic. Wasn't really talking about people who believe there is some sort of god out there and believe in evolution and what not as much as people who are practicing catholicism or another similar religion.



Nov 15 2012 7:14PM
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Bateman
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stupidest shit i've ever heard.

what? does that even fucking make sense? If they know they're wrong they wouldn't be atheist you cunt
Nov 15 2012 7:14PM
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Olimar
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I'm on mobile but ill try to answer your question simply. So sure, we cant prove that a god or many gods exists and and at the same time we cant prove that they don't exist. As of now I see it as me just taking the safe road and practicing a religion. we cant prove that there is or is not an afterlife but I'd rather believe just in case their is one in the end, instead of denying my entire life with the same amount of proof (0) to disprove an after life, as there is the amount of proof (0) to prove an after life. But believe what you wish. i just wanted others opinions more then an answer i guess.
Nov 15 2012 7:15PM
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brosephstalin
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my only opinion on atheism is i don't like the reddit/4chan types

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Nov 15 2012 7:16PM
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Bill.Nye
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I'm not sure. I also don't really know how my computer works, but I very much doubt there's a god in it.
Nov 15 2012 7:16PM
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TallerThanThou
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Smoke meth and hail Satan.
Nov 15 2012 7:17PM
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ILLinoisance
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Think again. God is EVERYWHERE!
Nov 15 2012 7:17PM
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midwestpowhunter
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so basically u are afraid. and you believe that good people who never heard of god will go to hell. also so bad people who rape murder steal should go to heaven because on their death bed accept jesus and that somehow absolves them?
Nov 15 2012 7:19PM
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Bill.Nye
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This is a decent intro to science's understanding of the origin of the universe. There's still a lot that's not known, but that in no way implies a god, it just means we don't know yet. We may never know, that doesn't make god a good explanation.


Nov 15 2012 7:20PM
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Miomo
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Then you're not actually believing it. You're being ignorant and saying that you do so you can get into heaven, if there is one. Your following something you have no business following.
Nov 15 2012 7:20PM
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homestar
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Technically Allah is the same as the Christian god. Both religions stem from Judaism.
Nov 15 2012 7:20PM
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Anathema
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even in a kiss
Nov 15 2012 7:20PM
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Bateman
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Can i never escape him?
Nov 15 2012 7:22PM
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Miomo
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Even in an atheist's brain?
:p
Nov 15 2012 7:24PM
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1337
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string theory
Nov 15 2012 7:25PM
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midwestpowhunter
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i believe their are like 7 religions that came before all christianity that are nearly identical
Nov 15 2012 7:26PM
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majora
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but the common factor in almost every religion is the golden rule to treat others how you want to be treated, and if getting to heaven or something else gives us means to treat others nicely why is this detrimental to advancing society? lol people go crazy with these claims for what religion tries to do. "self-righteous justification and ignorance" lmao who are you?
Nov 15 2012 7:30PM
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Olimar
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To me being afraid, yes. Hence the term "God fearing" and the rest are false assumptions but I can see why you are making them. i sorta worded that posy poorly cause im on mobile (and still am)
Nov 15 2012 7:34PM
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