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Are contests going to be all about triples?

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Mr.Bishop
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Last year, you couldn't do much in a contest unless you had a dub under your belt and were confident doing a few in a row.

Now there's tonnes of people doing the triple... will that be a staple contest trick?

Will we then see people going to quad? quint?

How far does this go?

Oct 31 2012 11:03AM
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seanahue.
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quoting (on mobile woohoo!) for next page
Nov 3 2012 7:57PM
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iSki13
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I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE HONORABLE MR BISHOP FOR STIMULATING INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION.

THIS FORUM IS ABSENT OF RHETORIC AND GARBAGE 13 YEAR OLD TALK FOR THE MOMENT, WELL DONE.

IT MAY BE SO THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE ENORMOUS BOOTERS TO SOLVE THIS SPIRAL INTO AERIALS.

BY MAKING THE JUMP LINE CONSIST OF 90-130 FT TABLES, IT WILL REDUCE THE ACROBATIC GYMNAST MUSCLE MEMORY ASPECT OF WHAT IS OCCURRING.

THINK OF IT THIS WAY IF YOU LINE UP 100 PRO FREE SKIERS AND POINT THEM AT A 20 FT TABLE THEY CAN ALL DO THE STANDARD FRONT FLIP AND LAND IT. 100% OF THEM.

LINE UP 100 PRO SKIERS AND POINT THEM AT A 130 FT TABLE AND 50 OF THEM WILL GO HOME, 30 OF THEM WILL WATCH, WHILE 20 OF THEM WILL CLICK INTO THEIR BINDINGS AND MAYBE 10 OF THEM WILL TRY LAYING OUT A DOUBLE OR TRIPLE.

VERY LARGE JUMPS FUCK UP THE TIMING OF THE GYMNASTICISM THAT IS OCCURRING


Nov 3 2012 10:36PM
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freestyler540
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Haha Doug, you seem to be hating the dubs stunts...like the switch 10's before that!

Nah but this is how I see it. There are 3 reasons that skiing naturally moved to dubs and soon tripples:

1-Training. Lets face it: 10 years ago, water ramps, personal coaches, gymnastic trampolines, summer camps, specialized coaching and the a team of personal trainers were not available. Now, its big business. Sponsors will send dedicated athetes to camps to meet with coaches and trainers. Or, kids with a lot of money can do that too. They can train in safe conditions with a hired team to make sure they win every contest. Also, you can now see skiing as a career, like hockey players of football payers, thats all they do in life: ski and train. Just look at the french rider Xavier Bertolonie (sp?), this guy has more coaches than the Candian Olympic team.

2-Stunts vs style. The first stomped dub rodeo was done by Jon Olson. The crowd went wild. Without knowing it, he opend a pandora's box of how far people will push skiing. All riders in early 2000's claimed style is better than stunts. Things have changed a little, now stunt took over style. Why? because it attracts the nOObs eyes. You get more praise from the common peasant if you huck bigger than ride with style. Case and point 09 (was it?) when dumont won big air with a dubble frontflip.

3-Size and layout of competition courses. Have you guys watched Tanner Hall's 2004 X games win? Have you noticed how small and disorganized it looks compared to 2011 X games? Well, exactly my point the set is so perfect that lauching stunts are possible in competition. Seriously, who wants to watch guys fall all the time, or throw down on a 40 foot jump.

Ok, my personal view: I love style and Bdog takes the win in my books. I dont like stunts, I find it does not show skill, only balls. I pisses me off that pro riders do very well 2 years, get injured and then forced to quit. For me, it does not show talent or commitment to the sport, only the desire to be noticed...

It makes me laugh: in 1998, guys were quitting the freestyle competition scene because of the same rules that are bound to the Xgames...except the flips.

Nov 4 2012 1:20AM
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Just_Send_It
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So well said. I agree with this 100%
Nov 4 2012 1:47AM
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cobra_commander
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2006: "Has skiing just become who can do the best Switch 10?"
What happened to TJ Schiller and Charles G? I'd kill to see a four jump line that went: sw L 9, r 9, sw L 10, sw R 10. With some of the more stylish grabs (octo, guitar, double nose, reverse tail, Japan tail, high mute...) that were poked out. A clean under, or rodeo 7 would be nice as well. The last double/tripple I gave a fuck about was Jon's kangaroo flip in 2006, and I thought TJs bios a year earlier at JOI 1 were cooler. Bobby Brown is skiing's twilight.
Nov 4 2012 1:09AM
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ILLinoisance
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That makes Tommy Wetnaps skiing's Harry Potter, because everyone loves Harry Potter because it's good. Gus is skiing's True Blood, because it's a direct rip off Twilight (Bobby), but seems to be better received in the community.
Nov 4 2012 1:15AM
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Frediboy94
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I think all progression should be encouraged. Yes, hucking future spins might not be true to the style factor of this sport, but let's just face facts:

Imagine a scene where all the pros suddenly start focusing on style rather than technicality. In a couple of seasons every single one of them would be doing cork 7s with different grabs. 100% of them would have learned to do them perfectly, with maximum style by then. How would you progress the sport after that stage has been reached? Add another grab? no, people ripped on Andreas Hatveit after he started doing 3-4 grabs in his tricks. add rotations? no, because that would mean sending skiing back into the "technicality phase".

My point is that if style is the only thing that matters, the progression will eventually come to a halt. I'm not saying that style shouldn't be awarded, but the possibilities are just so much bigger when athletes can score well by adding a rotation to their tricks. Most people love to see new things, that's what makes this life exciting. Sure, sometimes skiing will still stagnate, as it did a few seasons back. Everyone and their mother was throwing sketchy dub 10 mutes. But if you think about it now, it has come to a point where the level of the competing athletes is so high that you not only have to land a dub 12, you have to land it perfectly, or with an unusual grab. To beat a super smooth dub 10 you would have to do something crazy like a dub 14, or some switch variation. Yes, the jumps these days are big enough for throwing smooth doubles.

Regarding Mr. Bishop's statements about being able to brake down style into an algorithm and applying it to the judge's table, I still see some problems. The equation only applies to some people's idea of style. Other's might not think that holding the same grab for a long time looks better than grabbing twice. How do you agree on wether a truckdriver or an octograb is stylier? Does it look better when a skier takes a trick to the bottom or when he lands smoothly in the middle of the landing? Should you go really inverted or should you try to stay as upright as possible whilst still going off axis? Will bagginess of apparel subconsciously be taken into account?

No matter how you spin this, style will always be subjective, and the fairest way of choosing the winner should (imo) be by picking the one who can execute the hardest trick perfectly.
Nov 4 2012 6:47AM
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itod910
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Well done sir. Good quality prediction there
Jan 31 2013 2:17AM
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