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Hey mainstream hiphop/rap....

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eheath
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NaS just proved how shitty mainsteam rap is and that hiphop isn't dead. Lil wayne, drake, etc, get fucking learned.

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His new album is fucking fire. I've been listening to it for the past 3 days and its refreshing to hear someone who actually know how to put together a hip hop song. fuck all mainstream bullshit, this is real hiphop.
Jul 16 2012 2:49AM
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vordulmega
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You could've named so many better mainstream rappers haha fuckin Gucci Mane?
Jul 17 2012 4:10AM
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danderson.
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I like artists who are real. Gucci is real as fuck. It's not all about lyrics, you know? It's about presence.
Jul 17 2012 4:46AM
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vordulmega
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Whatever you say man, I can't imagine I'll ever like Gucci Mane for anything, presence or lyrics or whatever. But to each his own I guess, I was kinda a dick earlier jumping all over you for liking Wayne. In the end music is music and everyone looks for something different in the music they listen to
Jul 17 2012 4:49AM
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B.Aussie
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I really like this album however I love the shit storm this thread has become even more. OH summer NS.
Jul 17 2012 7:13AM
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PacificRimJob
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hahaha oh man this thread.


...shut the fuck up and listen to whatever the hell you feel like listening to. If someone's going to rip on what you like, no need to defend it, just roll your eyes and keep liking what you like.



And as I speak, i'm listening to Deltron 3030. Suck my dick.
Jul 17 2012 7:27AM
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TACO-DOG.exe
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some ridiculous shit.

and yeah listen to whatever you feel.
Jul 17 2012 7:38AM
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bo0b
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you're cool
Jul 17 2012 9:28AM
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platform8
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one of his best songs in my opinion. everything in this day in age is wack compared to the 90's shit.

Jul 17 2012 9:52AM
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ImNotARacist
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But little Wayne sucks.



Nas just had an article written about him, his divorce and the album in the NY Daily News. Real underground.

I think the argument here is that club/gangster/ rap is much much more stupid than philosophical rap



Big Sean raps to all the kids that aren't in school or didn't finish school.

Maybach Music should change the name to DropOut Music
Jul 17 2012 10:25AM
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Heart
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Pirate Bay => Life is Good => Torrent with the most seeders
Jul 17 2012 10:42AM
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yourthemannowdog
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Hahaha

Okay, have fun
Jul 17 2012 12:29PM
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BarryFeinstein
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Jul 17 2012 2:00PM
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Brenone
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This will be album of the year.
Jul 17 2012 3:20PM
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Shewlur...
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i agree with eheath for the most part, but not all mainstream hip hop sucks. two of the most mainstream artists in the business, jay z and kanye, are still making dope music. see: watch the throne
Jul 17 2012 3:39PM
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vordulmega
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and if you can consider Kendrick Lamar mainstream, which I don't think is too much of a stretch, Section.80 was one of last years best albums. There are others but I'm too lazy to name them haha
Jul 17 2012 6:11PM
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SirFryanator
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Illmatic was a lot better. nuff said.
Jul 17 2012 6:27PM
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eheath
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Tough to compare anything to the alleged #1 rap album ever made.
Jul 17 2012 6:29PM
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SirFryanator
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oh, and danderson, there is a difference between hip hop and rap. hip hop is about graffiti, MCing, DJing, and break dancing. there's more to it as well obviously...but pretty much every artist you've listed (wayne, asap rocky, meek mill, wale) are all rap. any real head will disagree with you, and yes I can say real because there is a defined culture which the vast majority of mainstream music falls out of. Nas is hip hop, always has been...the artists you listed are not.
Jul 17 2012 6:30PM
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K-Dot.
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people only like Wayne because off three beats he's on. they're catchy and sound badass especially if you have subs. same goes with Drake. so who you really love is their producers. they just rap about simple subjects that are easy to digest without thinking. like partying and smoking weed and what not. it's simple with a fun beat. its hip pop not hip hop
Jul 17 2012 7:16PM
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K-Dot.
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fuck mobile. the beats not three
Jul 17 2012 7:30PM
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Algebra
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Wait... How can hip hop be dead if wu tang is forever?
Jul 17 2012 7:31PM
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Nathn
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Don't listen to those guys, newschoolers for the most part has the worst taste in hip hop.



A good portion of them probably don't even like the dusty underground boom bap they claim to stan over, they just do it for the image of liking something "different" and claim that it takes so much more thought and soul and blah blah blah just so they can feel good about themselves because they have self esteem issues.



/ether

Like whatever you like man, Wayne was good back in the day
Jul 17 2012 7:50PM
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SirFryanator
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I thought you were better than this...ad hominem, son. and that's a massive generalization that in my opinion isn't true a lot of the time. there are the heads who will automatically disrespect you if you show any love for mainstream artists (hip hop hipsters, if you will...I'm lowkey one of them), but some of us just fall in love with the sound that "dusty" sample based boom bappy beats have. It's a one of a kind movement that just sorta died out...

I collect vinyls of this sorta shit, so I'm biased, I'll admit that. But your post here just sounds a little pretentious.
Jul 17 2012 8:05PM
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Nathn
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I don't see how I came off as pretentious when the whole post was about me hating pretentious hip hop fans.

(Hip hop hipsters)

- love weird modern rap music
- often hate on boom bap

('Real' Hip hop elitists)

- love boom bap
- hate almost anything made after '99 unless it was meant to sound like it was made before '99
- claim there is more "soul" or "intelligence" associated with boom bap music
- imply that they have more "soul" or "intelligence" because they listen to rap that has more of it as well
- insist to insult everyone who enjoys other types of hip hop
- insults hip hop itself constantly (besides their brand of hip hop of course)
- claim anything that isn't sampled or doesn't use conventional instruments is "fake"





No one likes an elitist of any sort (besides other elitists)

Jul 17 2012 9:52PM
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JWoods
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The difference here is that Deltron 3030 is really really good
Jul 17 2012 10:03PM
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Jul 17 2012 10:07PM
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Benji.
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haha
Jul 17 2012 10:17PM
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SirFryanator
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Lil Wayne is not hip hop, and it's not elitist to say so. Rap and hip hop ARE different genres. Just like house and electro are different genres. As a producer I figure you would realize this...

and just to let you know, I'm really not trying to hate. fuck, we worked together a couple years back haha. but I am a bit of a music snob...I enjoy categorizing my music. so when you place wayne in the same category as nas or any of the other greats of HIP HOP (not rap), it makes me puke a bit in my mouth.
Jul 17 2012 11:20PM
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Nathn
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Agree to disagree I guess.


Hip hop is the culture, but both Nas and Lil Wayne make rap music.


Rhythm and poetry


Hip hop includes other things besides rap such as dancing (hated on by elitists), graffiti (probably hated on by elitists for being "ignorant" to other's feelings), and just the attitude (skateboarding, clothes, etc.). Many people that NSers would consider mainstream or bad or whatever demonstrate the hip hop attitude.




Wayne was a bad example because he is terrible nowadays but Carter II Wayne was hip hop and true to himself.






Jul 17 2012 11:44PM
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Brock.
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*was a culture.

You've got to admit it... none of that shit has survived

But, the music will live, the stories will live, and the ideas will live.

Jul 17 2012 11:50PM
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danderson.
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Yes, this is Gucci Mane. He exists.
Jul 18 2012 12:04AM
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Nathn
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Dancing is extremely popular still

Graffiti is still just as popular (admittedly not in rap)

The attitude and the style is there





The people claiming it's dead are the only thing wrong with it

Jul 18 2012 12:06AM
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Brock.
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no. fucking noooo way. But you know what, I get what you are saying. It isn't fair to say that it's dead... It's just changed so much.

When you watch style wars (legendary graff and hiphop) movie, that kind of scene does not exist anymore. Period. One could easily pronounce it "dead". But upon further speculation you can come to the conclusion that it has just inspired and brought forth a completely new era of graffiti writing, and the same goes with hip-hop and music culture. The only reason Diplo (yea, the hipster-esque pop/dance/DJ/EDM whatever genre you want to call it) got into producing was because of Nas. The most amazing fact is that, to me at least, most of it has changed so much that it is almost unrecognizable from its previous form, and can't really be attributed the same qualities and merits.

anyways, this kind of shit is the bomb. I love it, but it definitely doesn't exist anymore.







Jul 18 2012 1:00AM
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Slone.
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threads
Jul 18 2012 2:21AM
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SirFryanator
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Fair enough. Agree to disagree.
Jul 18 2012 2:43AM
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ski-swagga
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i commend you for having the first civil argument in this thread.
Jul 18 2012 3:10AM
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B.Aussie
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It's because they're both in the industry and actually know their shit haha
Jul 18 2012 3:58AM
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Heart
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the message here is excellent:
Jul 18 2012 1:22PM
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SirFryanator
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Hopsin sounds like a knockoff of Eminem circa 2002. That is one of his better tracks I've heard though, I'll say that.
Jul 18 2012 2:43PM
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Freeskim@n
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Just bough a copy of LiG with a best of of a tribe called quest and liquid swords. So stoked!
Jul 18 2012 3:47PM
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danderson.
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Agreed.
Jul 18 2012 7:10PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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Pretty much nailed it on everything he rapped about...


and how has this stayed so elusive:



Favorite NaS track.
Jul 18 2012 7:28PM
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THE_ODORE
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riff raff is on the rise!
Jul 18 2012 7:37PM
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.M.C.D.
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nas is pretty fucking mainstream man.

I just listened to this album today because there was so much hype about it and the rapping is good an all, because it's nas, but it still sounds like 2012 rap.

it's unoriginal and overproduced.

but yeah compared to 99% of hiphop that has come out in the last 10 years it's not bad.
Jul 18 2012 7:52PM
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ECB
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white kids arguing about rap


i'm going to go shit
Jul 18 2012 7:53PM
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vordulmega
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man fuck you, who are you to say white guys cant listen to rap? thats some of the stupidest shit i've ever heard
Jul 18 2012 8:05PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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without white kids rap would not be where it is today (that could be taken as good and bad)
Jul 18 2012 8:36PM
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danderson.
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Scott Storch
Clams Casino
Eminem
Macklemore
Asher Roth
The Beastie Boys
Rick Rubin


I'm sorry, what did you say?
Jul 18 2012 9:14PM
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ECB
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Fuck me? You don't even know me. You have never met me, and you will most likely never have the privilege of meeting me.

Where did I say white guys can't listen to rap?
If you can answer that question, you win. If not, shut the fuck up, grow up, then go fist your asshole up.

After I wrote what I wrote, I went, took a shit. Then played basketball. Then put my headphones on, listened to rap myself, went for a jog, took off my headphones, got in an argument with a cop because he was illegally parked, won, drove home while listening to rap music, now I'm typing this.

I'm white. I listen to rap. I don't argue about it on an internet forum. Suck my nuts. Unless you are under 17, which you probably are, then don't suck them, that would be illegal.
Jul 18 2012 9:22PM
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84891jnf92048
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I decided that rap these days is so shitty, that I just listen to the exceptionally shitty stuff as a joke.







and of course theres plenty of nicki and flocka
Jul 18 2012 9:29PM
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