Lance Armstrong was doping

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In the midst of the new USADA report: BUMP

I think he just needs to cut through the crap and come clean about it all. He doped. His team doped. Probably most of the tour doped. It's like baseball, most of them did it as it was the only way to stay competitive. Outside online has several long-form article about this, most of which are pretty damning. The bullshit conspiracy theories his lawyers keep spewing are just that, bullshit. I feel like running from the truth is causing more damage to his reputation than being honest about everything.

Oct 11 2012 6:13PM

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he just admitted to doping on Oprah apparently

Jan 14 2013 8:29PM

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lol nearly 100% clean? doubtful. just like new technology is coming out to catch dopers, dopers and their doctors are coming up with new ways to not get caught. That's why they keep samples, so they can test them again when they have the technology to detect the drugs. cycling's a dirty sport, and it'll take a long time for that to change, imo.

Jan 14 2013 10:34PM

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The interview with Oprah was today. It will air on Thursday. Perhaps the most-viewed Oprah episode ever? Also the first episode I will ever be interested in watching, although I still probably will not.

Jan 14 2013 10:41PM

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tldr whole thread thoroughly but does anyone else not care if he used drugs?
the army does
pretty much every sport does, now i didnt say everyone, i mean you could argue redbull or caffiene is mildly similar to amphetamines, should that be banned?

they should let people use drugs or whatever they want to be the best they can be, lessons will be learned, the world will go on

Jan 15 2013 12:07AM

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I always thought he was a bit of slimebag. None of the Livestrong money actually goes to cancer research - it goes to "cancer awareness." And that's only if you donate to the .org site, not the .com site.

Jan 15 2013 12:18AM

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When they say cancer awareness, what exactly are they doing? Where does all the money go? Why did the dinosaurs die? So many questions.

Jan 15 2013 12:21AM

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Two words: Unsubstantiated Drivel

Cite a source, give some context, or refrain.

Jan 15 2013 12:29AM

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thank god he did. if he hadnt he would have been a nobody. because he got so famous he help raise $470 million for cancer research.

Thats $470,000,000 for you dummies

Jan 15 2013 1:13AM

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As long as some good came of that money, I honestly could care less if he "doped"(???) or not.

The tour is full of it. I just wish he had gone all out and name dropped. Would've stirred some serious shit.

Jan 15 2013 1:23AM

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I hope they throw his ass in minimum security prison for perjury. He is just as guilty as Martha Stewart.

Jan 15 2013 1:29AM

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Most all the big names from when i watched the tour were already busted.

Anybody remember Joseba Beloki and that terrible crash he had when he hit a slick patch on a descent? Man, fuck

who cares if lance cheated. They all did. Lance made it fun to watch. Him and Jan had a good little rivalry i will never forget.

Jan 15 2013 1:30AM

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Why? It's a sport. And he wasn't a bad guy. He did a lot for cancer research. His charity is still around now, even if he isn't a part of it. He could have just ended livestrong. Instead he resigned and let it keep going.

Jan 15 2013 1:39AM

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Yeah, he did make every race exciting

Jan 15 2013 1:40AM

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Charity Navigator actually rates Livestrong really high: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6570

But they also rate Komen high: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4509

and it's pretty obvious that Komen is more for corporations to boost profits than it is for treating Breast Cancer (FACT: Heart disease kills more than 6 times as many woman as Breast Cancer http://family.go.com/parenting/article-mm-77972-women-most-fear-breast-cancer--but-heart-disease-is-the-top----killer-t/ it's just not "cool" or "sexy" I mean boobs are awesome, but let's fund each proportionately (plus heart disease is far easier to prevent).

Although I will somewhat agree that funding should be dedicated towards diseases and ailments that are usually neglected (see the Carter foundation http://www.cartercenter.org/health/index.html)

Jan 15 2013 1:40AM

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he still cheated and through that, essentially stole prize money. it's not as if the winner of the tour gets a pat on the back and a hearty congratulations. He made quite a bit of money for himself by winning stages and the entire race. He received almost 500,000 euros every time he won, plus 8,000 for every stage.

So by cheating, he effectively stole the money from the race, it's sponsors, and it's organizers.

Jan 15 2013 1:56AM

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Lying under oath is lying under oath.

It's great that he donated or raised whatever for whatever. Doesn't change the fact that he lied under oath.

A crime is a crime.

Jan 15 2013 2:04AM

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exactly!

Jan 15 2013 9:00AM

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if doping was all it took to win the TDF 7 times, a lot more people than armstrong would have done it, denouncing his accomplishment is ridiculous.

Jan 15 2013 9:11AM

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Reading over this page of the thread, I would say that the opinions displayed could not be more different from those in the UK, which is kinda interesting. People are pretty disgusted over here about the fact that Livestrong was founded upon a lie, regardless of what he did for charity. I really hope he gets held accountable for his actions, and it annoys me that he's been given the platform of Opera, where he'll only be asked easy questions, that he can give easy answers to.

Jan 15 2013 9:46AM

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I am really sad about this. Armstrong was one of the people I really looked up to when I was a but younger. I supported him all the way up until now. I don't know what to think now. Admittedly I never bought any of the Livestrong apparel so I don't really have a reason to feel cheated out of money. I just always respected Lance Armstrong and his shear determination and dedication.

Jan 15 2013 9:59AM

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This. There is isn't anyone who rides in the tour who doesn't use something. Cycling, along with weightlifting are widely considered the dirtiest sorts out there when it comes to doping and peds. The fact that Lance actually used his influence to make a contribution to society is something to be commended.

Jan 15 2013 10:08AM

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i don't think he ever lied under oath. the USADA "court" isn't sanctioned by the us or anything. testimonies aren't given under any kind of oath, you basically just take the person's word for it that they aren't lying.

and to people saying he stole money: the winner of the tour traditionally gives all the prize money away to their teammates, something lance did every year he won. and even if he hadn't won, the person who had almost definitely would have been doping as well. so any winner would have been stealing.

Jan 15 2013 10:25AM

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threads for video of confession

Jan 15 2013 10:51AM

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The $470 million DIDN'T go to cancer RESEARCH, it went to cancer AWARENESS (whatever that's supposed to mean) It says so right on the website.

Jan 15 2013 11:04AM

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Despite the distaste I hold for Lance Armstrong, you need to come up with sources and where the money directly went to insinuate what you are insinuating.

Jan 15 2013 11:06AM

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he didn't raise $470 million dollars, he raised x amount of money and syphoned y amount of money away from other, better charities.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6570

its not really about sports, its about him lying and cheating in order to amass a $100 million net worth while threatening and trying to ruin the lives of people who told the truth about him

Jan 15 2013 11:11AM

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I suppose me saying that the charity website had the information wasn't as good as a link.

http://www.livestrong.org/

Jan 15 2013 11:20AM

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That wasn't what I said, you have absolutely no idea where the money directly went and what was inferred by "cancer awareness", so you cannot make out that the charity was a massive scam and did nothing for cancer.

Jan 15 2013 11:26AM

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I'm not saying it was a massive scam, I was just pointing out that none of the money actually goes to cancer research programs.

Jan 15 2013 11:27AM

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But indeed he did lie under oath in a civil case one of his sponsors had against him: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2012/10/30/lance-armstrong-perjury-doping/1668765/

"Under oath, Armstrong denied doping in a 2005 deposition and in testimony before an arbitration panel."

Jan 15 2013 11:40AM

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http://www.fmcfoundation.com.au/fcic/livestrong-cancer-research-centre

SUCK MA DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, you clearly don't fuck with google.

Jan 15 2013 11:43AM

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And the statute of limitations for perjury in 2005 has expired, so there's nothing that can be done.

I can't imagine he'd change his story without heavily consulting his legal team to ensure that the sol had passed on all previous testimonies so as to avoid any criminal prosecution.

Jan 15 2013 11:45AM

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Its a pity that you didn't notice the research operated by the Flinders Medical Centre Foundation, not LiveStrong. Donations for the research centre don't come from LiveStrong.org.

Jan 15 2013 11:53AM

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I think he knows full well that his court troubles are not entirely over.

From a legal expert:

“Everyone talks about the statute of limitations issues but if there’s a conspiracy, which takes two or more people, the statute is expanded to the last affirmative act,” the New York attorney said “The question is, when was that? When did he last take action to further hide the conspiracy?

“If you believe the USADA report, it’s evident that there was a massive conspiracy with a number of people involved, including Mr. Armstrong,” Harvey added, referring to the report released by the United States Anti-Doping Agency that detailed the Texan’s role in cycling’s doping scandal. “As a result, the federal government could charge a conspiracy and the statute of limitations may not bar the charges since it relates to the last affirmative act. If someone wanted to go after him, that’s how they would do it.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/oprah-confession-beginning-lance-article-1.1240133#ixzz2I42Ar2Px

Further, he's likely to face fraud charges from The Sunday Times in relation to the libel suit he brought against them.

Also, if DOJ decides to join Floyd Landis in his whistle blower case, he will be even more screwed.

Marion Jones spent 6 months in jail under quite similar circumstances.

Jan 15 2013 11:58AM

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Jan 15 2013 6:26PM

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Everybody should chill. They all doped. Lance was the best of the dopers.

Jan 15 2013 7:13PM

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Barto always makes good points turd burglar

and hamnuts. Did you ever think that by raising awareness you can encourage other people to donate?

It sucks that the $470 million didnt go to research. I thought it would have less typical adminstrative expenses and other bs

Jan 15 2013 7:26PM

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You gotta give him props for going this whole time undetected

Jan 15 2013 7:26PM

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Like the 30 for 30 on the southwestern conference. All those school paid their players the same, SMU was just better at finding talent to pay.

Jan 15 2013 7:27PM

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Meh, they all dope. Lance is still GOAT.

Jan 15 2013 7:27PM

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Jan 15 2013 7:42PM

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The fact he was able to fight of a form of cancer which was likely to take his life is incredible. Even if he used drugs to enhance his biking or if he didn't from going so close to death and the. Competing with the best bikers in the world and winning is incredible. He's still a champ in my book

Jan 15 2013 7:45PM

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questionable and probably not true, given the fact how there was this competition of dopers, not unlike a F1 team. like you need not only the driver, but also the best car. same with riders and doctors in cycling.

i watched an interview with tyler hamilton a few months back and i wasnt that tied to the TV in a few years. was really really good. he talked a lot about lance and his doping organisation.

i also watched his fights with ullrich back then, being half german, i was rooting for ullrich (also because of his "more relaxed" lifestyle/training style). back then, noone said ALL of them are doping. it was like, all these guys are wonders of nature and thats why they are so good. it was fun to watch and obviously, doping is such a big problem in this sport that it destroyed everything. hopefully he did something good for cancer, but still he lied and cheated, one shouldnt forget that.

Jan 15 2013 7:51PM

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Ridiculous

He's a liar, a cheat and a fraud.

Criminal charges are justified.

Jan 15 2013 7:59PM

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