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DENALI44
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well the skiing is better than last year i think, hard to tell, i couldnt get past the bad camera work. the angles weren't good and alot of the shots were over exposed so you just saw a skier going across a bunch of white. learn to use your fuckin cameras! next learn to use music in a movie properly, you choose a song and then edit the section to it instead of just throwing in music that doesnt work to the section like you did. Brandon Becker really should be filming with a company of higher quality.

Offtrail? where was the offtrail, should be
Park city goons. and the amount of little kids who dress like little jib monkey goons was ridiculous at the movie premier. my guess is more than half of those kids cant really ski they just fall around in the air and look stupid by grinding rails. Get in touch with skiing's roots, Go watch a Greg Stump ski film

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save it for something better like buying Theory 3'movie Breathe and Stop, they have pure skiing no bullshit

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Sep 26 2004 4:35PM
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DENALI44
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I am not raggin' on the skiing, i am complaining about the techy stuff like camera angles and editing. other movies have better rails and still manage to have bc jumps and big mtn as well.


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Sep 26 2004 9:49PM
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snafu
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the only people who backed you up are people who have the same views about everything you do. get some of your own views dumb fuck and i do kno where you live so watch out
Sep 26 2004 9:52PM
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TKMB
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quit droppin hype
Sep 26 2004 9:56PM
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Skier10322
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telling people to hang themselves cause they arent't good at skiing? thats mature
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Sep 26 2004 9:58PM
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Switchin_Dirty
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 107
Ban11? I've never skied with you ever, you don't know shit...

calm down dude, talk to justin, we've talked and hes knows whats up...

come ride at alta, do some real skiing with me...

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Sep 26 2004 10:15PM
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reBlocke
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Do some REAL skiing huh? As apposed to fake skiing?
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Sep 26 2004 10:37PM
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Switchin_Dirty
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 107
^yes fake skiing, like a poser such as yourself standing in a park by a feature pretending to actually ski. or gettin a pass to alta and riding the the sunnyside lift all season...

fuck you douche, go lick some donkey balls and continue to be the biggest newb on the planet!

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Sep 26 2004 11:13PM
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reBlocke
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Holy shit Switchin_Dirty, your telling me that skiing in the park is fake?

Listen, where I come from we don't have parks. I can assure you that I'm not some park rat, but even if I was, it's no less skiing than any other aspect of the sport. Unless I missed the point where jibbers took off those planks attached to their feet...
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Sep 26 2004 11:17PM
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Durtschi
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im sure when every body watches you skee they want to ski just like you....... get a life



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Sep 26 2004 11:57PM
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Switchin_Dirty
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 107
TBbirdfilms, you should shutup now...

skiing is just not all park, and skiing nothing but park, is not skiing, its fake, park rats don't ski, they take off of a jump then land, then do it again, not skiing...

give it up newb

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Sep 27 2004 12:02AM
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FalseTile
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Now I know some of you may have your opinions about whether an all park skiing movie is legit, shut the fuck up. Denali's orginal post was about camera work not skiing. yay for swithin_dirty and denali, fuck the rest of you.


I did absolutely nothing and it was everything I thought it could be.
Sep 27 2004 12:25AM
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FalseTile
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and as for the crowd at the premeire, leave em alone, always remember, It's not how you ski but rather how you look in the lift line that counts.


I did absolutely nothing and it was everything I thought it could be.
Sep 27 2004 12:28AM
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dylhole
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skiing park is fun



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Sep 27 2004 12:39AM
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*Nefarious*
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i give the film props fer sure. the skiing was amazing and the cinematography was actually very good. I enjoy justin's movies a lot, all the PC kids can hold it down without a doubt, and i thought the premier was dope as hell, let the haters do the hating, cuz the skiers and the filmmakers prove themselves in my eyes for sure


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Sep 27 2004 1:09AM
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Switchin_Dirty
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 107
PC kids, emphasis on 'kids'

game on kids...

the ALTA men will strike you down!

ha ha thats so chessy its great...

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Sep 27 2004 1:48AM
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craigcski
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switchin_dirty you have got to be kidding me with all that bull you just said on this forum
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Sep 27 2004 2:12AM
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craigcski
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haha, i mean really you are joking... right?
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Sep 27 2004 2:13AM
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Aerozol
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umm i havent seen it but i dont even have to to join in this kind of an argument.
Skiing all park and rails is stupid, its like aerial skiing, not true skiing you just have to be able to take off and land, the rest is done on the tramp. But it doesnt matter as long as the people can ski a decent diamond trail or something, cause park is still really fun (which is pretty important i think).
Summary: you people are all fucking stupid if you like rails and park then buy it and if you dont, then dont. yay!
Sep 27 2004 2:31AM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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^ way to almost make sense. I think park is something to do between powder. but powder is not something to do between park in my opinion.


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Sep 27 2004 8:05AM
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Astomp
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it was cool the first twenty minutes but then every segment had the same feature in it so it go kinda old fast. the music sucked but it wasnt a bad four dollars.


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Sep 27 2004 8:57AM
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snafu
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switchin dirty we should fight
Sep 27 2004 10:00AM
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rocMALONEYphotos
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deanli your jus a punk ass that wishes u could be as dope as half those kids, those lil groms dominateyou in the park and u know it u should jus swallow a fatty and shut the fuck up

props justin the films way siick, im bummed i couldnt make it to the primeier but im deffinitly gonna buy the film
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Sep 27 2004 10:15AM
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eljefe
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I like skiing
Sep 27 2004 10:26AM
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messenger
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First and foremost, Justin's movie is filmed very nicely,....the av equipement at the U must have messed with the white balance, it did make it look bad. I have a DVD of the movie and his filming is Excellent. Scott USA gives props to Justin and all skiers involved with First Light, nice work!
Haters, take your gripes elsewear.
Sep 27 2004 10:42AM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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YO FOR REAL MURDA THAT NIGGA KNOWS WHAT UP DAWG. YOU JUS WISHES YOU HAD DAT SKILLZ LIKE DOZ KIDZ. MAYBE IF YOU WERENT SUCK A CRACKER DIRTY YOU WOULD SEE.

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Sep 27 2004 11:24AM
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*A-BOMB*
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Yo...First light was fuckin soo sick, I wish there was more of my brother Ty though, but EVERYONE had a crazy section and worked hella hard this year. I don't give a fuck what ya'll say about ME or the dope PC KRUE because they fuckin dominate all u 'badass' shit talkers, I ride park yea, i ride big mountain yeah, but i didn't really much shots for the video. and one thing is only God can judge me, so whatever u wanna talk about me fuckin Denily or whoever is talking shit, go right ahead, because i worked hard this year, and justin worked hard making this video sick and worth it. I don't needa explaine myself to you whack kids, and either does anyone about the movie, if you didn't like it..wow who cares? other people did...don't talk shit
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Sep 27 2004 11:45AM
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d-loc
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sure your going to think its good ir you have family in it. thats a given. we are simply critiquing your movie, is that illegal? cuz by all means man you should go rat on Ebert then.

not everyone gonna thnk ur shit is dope. GOT IT



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Sep 27 2004 11:48AM
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the_friesz
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^The guy doesn't beleive in god, but he's already been judged by his peers... Wish I could've been to the premier, but it's a long drive back home from San Diego. It's always great to see active members of NS making a quality flick.


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Sep 27 2004 11:49AM
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Switchin_Dirty
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 107
there is nothing wrong with stating your opinion, if you can't handle the trash talk don't step up...

just do your thing! justin, brent, and ash my apoligies, I came off the wrong way, you guys handle my bullshit well...



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Sep 27 2004 11:53AM
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Rez4frederick
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ah shit, the PC KRUE doesn't dominate anything. I have yet to see this flick, but I'm coming to realize that everyone who skis at Park city thinks they are the dopest just because they ride there. It sounds like they are just another company funded by someones parents who buys all the 'best' equipment and films their 'homies'. If it was even halfway decent, i'm sure Denali wouldn't have been so pissed. I take his word for it because im not going to pay 20 bux for it, since it's not touring in my neck of the woods.
Park riding is dope, but in order to make a good flick, you need to travel and film at other resorts, such as Mammoth, Breck, whis, other places than PC. That is my opinion on ski vids.
by the way, does Dylhole have a seg because he is sick on his skis. Fucker stomps everything.
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Sep 27 2004 12:05PM
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offtrail
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Look, all this bull shit shit talking is stupid. why doesn't everybody grow up a little bit. the first post talked shit on MY filming and what not, which was denaliis opinion. period. I really apriciate all the suport from everybody and i thank all of you. denalli is intitled to his opinion, as is everybody else.

you see the problem with this site is that people on here don't allow for an educated conversation or critique. i know that denalli hates on park riding, and that is fine. granted some of the things that EVERYBODY is saying is just flat out wrong. do you all feel like it is right to talk shit on people who you don't even know?? sure some kids like park and some like big mountain. i personaly can't ski park. i just suck, but i love to charge gnar lines at the bird. sure there was a lot of park in this film, but when I have to graduate rom college, travel to events, enjoy life, and still try and make a film to make everybody happy, it just can't happen on a budget that i have. ie my student loans. this film was made by putting myself in debt, and i am going to continue making films in order to progress filmmaking to a point that everybody from the super grom in the park to people with denallis views can walk away from it saying that was the sickest film ever.

Everybody has to start someplace and this is where Off Trail Productions has started. in the future when i actualy have a budget to go helli skiing and am able to purchase a sled then i will. (hopefully this year) but untill then i am going to make the best film that i can make with the resorces that i have.

again thank you to all who have good and bad things to say, and keep them coming, but why doesn't everybody try and be mature and say something about the film and not make yourselves look like little kids who only know how to talk shit on those who are different than you

thanks for reading and watching

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Sep 27 2004 12:11PM
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Phrosty
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switchindirty, saying park skiing isn't real skiing is so fucking lame. In case you haven't figured it out yet, big mountain is easyer than park. so hmm the harder aspect is the fake one huh?


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Sep 27 2004 12:12PM
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offtrail
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oh and concept kid you should look in to things before you start saying things like that. i actually payed to make this film on my own through student loans. yes dylhole does have a seg.

and where are you?? perhaps we couled do a premiere there, but since i have no money anymore i am limmited on where this film is being shown. and if you have any shops in your area, let me know and i will be sure to send them a shop copy just so you can check it out.

J
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Sep 27 2004 12:17PM
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Switchin_Dirty
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your an idiot phrosty...

park skiing is alot easier then big mountain, and its more skiing, you actually ski, not just take of a jump and land. its alot easier to throw a 3 off a talbe then it is a cliff, especially if its untracked...

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Sep 27 2004 12:44PM
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offtrail
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you know i would have to agree. ^ it is much harder for me to ski at snowbird or alta than it is pc. However it is tought in the park to have style, skills, and the balls to hit the huge jumps, but i do feel that it is importannt to ride the entire mountain. they are two different asspects of skiing, and like i said they are each hard in their own way, and some like one more than the other. why don't we all just leave it at that and say something about First Light the movie and not park vs big mtn. the argument is old and will never be solved.
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Sep 27 2004 12:50PM
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dooner
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i love everybody and every aspect of skiing. lets all just get along
Sep 27 2004 12:51PM
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Switchin_Dirty
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^good call

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Sep 27 2004 12:53PM
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offtrail
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oh yeah and concept kid, if you read the write up on first light you will see that i filmed in mammoth, whistler, breck, vail, june, bachlor, pc, alta, brundige, ect
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Sep 27 2004 12:54PM
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Ban11
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Concept kid----jesus christ, lord and savior, hold your tongue. you are speaking on something that you know nothing about.
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Sep 27 2004 12:56PM
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Rez4frederick
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yea man, I feel you, I'm in college too, dude that's sick man that you are doing it though. Now you know some things to put into your next film if you can. I'm sure the movie is fun to watch, what did you use to edit it? Apple, Final cut Pro?? You should def use these if your not. I'm just curious.
You should def try and premiere your vid up here, i'm sure you could do it at the U of MT in Missoula, (where i live) They have screen setups that will just play dvd's in a couple lecture hall where premieres have been before. I can look into it if you want and try to organize it. There is one ski shop,
Gull Ski
2601 W Broadway St
Missoula MT 5902
(406)549-5613 Glenn is person you should talk to, he is chill and is trying to have a somehwhat 'cool ski' shop, they have armadas and that is the only underground brand they carry, anyways...
Let me know if you want to do premiere, I def want to check dyl's segment.
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Sep 27 2004 1:02PM
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eljefe
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Justin has a good attitude. Aren't we all just a bunch of kids trying to ski anyway? Lets be stoked on the fella and his film. Its kinda like dan gardiner said. 'If no one else is doing what your doin your plenty worthy.' Granted other people are makin films, but I don't think that the majority of the critics here are. At least he's tryin. Just a thought.
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Sep 27 2004 1:24PM
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offtrail
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hey conceptkid....good news! i am working with kyler cooley who is in the film and going to school there in missoula. we will be having a premiere there probly in a bar, but not sure yet. he is working out the details for me.

J
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Sep 27 2004 1:57PM
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Phrosty
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yea, a three is harder in pow than off a table. but how come most pro park skiers can ski big mountain but most big mountain pro skiers can't ski park?


I think Anthony Boronowski in general is just a phase.
Sep 27 2004 2:06PM
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d-loc
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so what if i may not go to church, thats how i was brought up... not that i dont believe, cuz i do.

but what does that have to do with anything yo?



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Sep 27 2004 2:09PM
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dylhole
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yo justin,
im rolling up to missoula in fall break, make kyler have the premier then, i'll even help, but you know i'm pretty lazy.



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Sep 27 2004 2:33PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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He's just saying thats real skiing because thats where skiing started more or less. Skiing park only is similar to aerials because what counts is what you are doing in the air not what you are doing on the ground with your skis like big moutain. And dont get me wrong I like a balance of all the aspects of skiing in movies I watch. I dont like it to soley focus on one or the other. But I relate more to riding big mountain because thats what I would rather do with my time. If this kid made that film out of money he got from student loans he did an incredible job it just wasnt my kind of flick personally. It was a great representation of park city because thats the kind of riding they have there so thats what they'll do.


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Sep 27 2004 2:46PM
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offtrail
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^ that was a very mature post. thank you.
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Sep 27 2004 3:52PM
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ECfreeski3
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every time someone says 'jib monkey' it makes me want to kill them.
hating on park skiiers is stupid-
who are you to decide what is skiing and what is not?
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Sep 27 2004 5:15PM
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Rez4frederick
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cool J, yea I think i may have a class with Kyler, I saw this guy wearing an OT hat one day, so I imagine its him. I recognize that name though, he must have been at Beartooths this summer. Sounds good, the skiing scene needs to grow around Missoula. Let me know if he needs help.
Dylhole, where are you at now? PC still or did you move? i'll definately support that shit. Sorry about comment above, now I know where this movie is coming from and who made it.
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Sep 27 2004 5:15PM
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Phrosty, youre a fucking moron as usual.

'yea, a three is harder in pow than off a table. but how come most pro park skiers can ski big mountain but most big mountain pro skiers can't ski park?'

Why would you even say that, you are contributing to more shit talking than anyone. youre using the term big mountain pretty loosely. Sure a pro park skier can ski down a run of powder...thats not big mountain though. Put simon dumont, olenick, any of the offtrail guys, me, tj schiller...any of them on a peak in alaska that morrison kreitler or nobis is about to ski and we will all prompltly shit our pants.

Both sporst take a tremendous amount of hardwork and effort to excell at...and anyone who knocks the other probably isnt ever going to be a good skier at either discipline.

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