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Tell me more about PID. What difference does it make?
Before I get a PID, I'm pretty sure my next step is picking up a half decent grinder. I'm looking at probably something like a Baratza Encore/Virtuoso unless I can find another good deal on something better.
Thoughts? Any other suggestions?
As far as I can tell, I have the exact same machine. And I have a Virtuoso for it which works stellar.
Well iv only ever experienced that kind of coffee making in Norway. But from my experience it isn't very good, but does the trick. Definitely kicks you in the ass. Every two or three hours we would stop on a ski tour snack and make some coffee. Those Scandinavians move at a different pace than I'm used to haha
BakerpowWell iv only ever experienced that kind of coffee making in Norway. But from my experience it isn't very good, but does the trick. Definitely kicks you in the ass. Every two or three hours we would stop on a ski tour snack and make some coffee. Those Scandinavians move at a different pace than I'm used to haha
Norwegians don't know anything, so that's probably why it wasn't very good. But tbh it's a bit special and it demands a sort of ritual, or I guess it is sort of a ritual. I grew up on the stuff, so to me, nothing will ever be able to beat it.
this is a double post but they're a few days apart so I don't think it matters
So here's the deal. I currently live in the second largest city in Sweden, and I've done so for an entire week. Being a rather large city, with rather big hipster crowd, I figured I'd find some really nice coffee here.
I have not.
In the centre of town, there are coffeeshops literally everywhere. I mean, maybe every fourth store-front is a café/coffeeshop, and I'm not even exaggerating. Most of them are part of big chains, and all of them have some kind of decent coffee, but nothing great. And mostly, it's incredibly expensive. Heart crushingly expensive. For the price of one large cup of black coffee, you could buy two or three days worth of food, or fuel to drive a car something like 40-50 km (64-80miles). It's not cool.
If I'm paying 35-40 sek ($4,5-$5,5) for a cup of coffee, I'd expect it to be amazing. But it never is. None of these places have any information about the were the beans were grown, how they were washed, exactly what kind of roast they've got, or anything like that. Nothing. Stupid. So it's a low-medium quality product to the price of a high quality product.
So why does this happen? After giving it some thought while walking around in the city today, I came to the conclusion that it is because people settle for food and drink that is nowhere near as good as it could be. It goes way beyond coffee. Bread, pizza, and beer are just a few examples. The rise of beer is coming, and burgers are in the middle of their revolution. High quality burgers have become so popular in Sweden that fast food chains have had to lower the prices on a lot of their low quality junk, to adjust to the demand and market. I want this to happen to coffee. I'd gladly pay $4 for a shot of espresso if it's an actual experience, but not if it's just another half decent cup of coffee. But maybe I'd just as gladly pay $1,5 for the half decent one, since it's usually way better than nothing.
So I see it, there's a hole in the market. Or maybe two holes in the market. One being gourmet-coffee, for the same price as the big coffee chains. Same type of business, but with high quality coffee, simple as that. Second is the cheaper model. An espresso or a cup of coffee for like $1-2, with quality being as high as possible within the margins of that price. Also no other stuff, like sandwiches or salads, or maybe not even seating.
So there's that. Make it happen. Be more nerdy about coffee, demand higher quality. Next time you're in a coffeeshop, ask were the beans were farmed, how they were washed, and what type of roast it is.
sry for long post, but didn't know where else to post it
CorinAn espresso or a cup of coffee for like $1-2, with quality being as high as possible within the margins of that price. Also no other stuff, like sandwiches or salads, or maybe not even seating.
The problem with this is, most people are completely content with their bland cup of bleak, beige mediocrity, the brand is more important.
omnidataThe problem with this is, most people are completely content with their bland cup of bleak, beige mediocrity, the brand is more important.
Exactly, that's a huge part of the problem. But maybe if you hype to the sky, keep it very limited in the beginning, or something like that. That's more for someone in marketing to figure out.
CorinExactly, that's a huge part of the problem. But maybe if you hype to the sky, keep it very limited in the beginning, or something like that. That's more for someone in marketing to figure out.
Let's start a coffee company together, a Swedish Dutch amalgamation of coffee perfection.
With hipster logo:
bumping this. looking for a baratza encore - i realize its lower end but Im green, wondering if anyone knows someone who can cut me a deal or sell me a used one or has one they aren't using. thanks!
Some beans from an amazing local roaster (roasted a couple of days ago)
Now I just need to find a decent grinder (and quickly). I'll probably pick up or order something (looking at either a Baratza, Le'Lit or Ascaso. I think the second two are pretty similar though) this week.
saskskierNow I just need to find a decent grinder (and quickly). I'll probably pick up or order something (looking at either a Baratza, Le'Lit or Ascaso. I think the second two are pretty similar though) this week.
As it turns out one of these turned up on Kijiji today for a pretty solid deal, so I jumped on it. It's no Mazzer or Macan, but it'll be fine for the time being.
For the sneaky bastards who also own a Nespresso besides their convoluted setup because: quick and easy they now have a new Limited edition on the same level as the Kona limited from 2012
Dr.LaurentFor the sneaky bastards who also own a Nespresso besides their convoluted setup because: quick and easy they now have a new Limited edition on the same level as the Kona limited from 2012
It's good. Expensive though. Cat was curious.
I have a Nespresso at work for convienience and I've got a delivery of this limited edition coming tomorrow on your cats recommendation.
Corinthis is a double post but they're a few days apart so I don't think it matters
So here's the deal. I currently live in the second largest city in Sweden, and I've done so for an entire week. Being a rather large city, with rather big hipster crowd, I figured I'd find some really nice coffee here.
I have not.
In the centre of town, there are coffeeshops literally everywhere. I mean, maybe every fourth store-front is a café/coffeeshop, and I'm not even exaggerating. Most of them are part of big chains, and all of them have some kind of decent coffee, but nothing great. And mostly, it's incredibly expensive. Heart crushingly expensive. For the price of one large cup of black coffee, you could buy two or three days worth of food, or fuel to drive a car something like 40-50 km (64-80miles). It's not cool.
If I'm paying 35-40 sek ($4,5-$5,5) for a cup of coffee, I'd expect it to be amazing. But it never is. None of these places have any information about the were the beans were grown, how they were washed, exactly what kind of roast they've got, or anything like that. Nothing. Stupid. So it's a low-medium quality product to the price of a high quality product.
So why does this happen? After giving it some thought while walking around in the city today, I came to the conclusion that it is because people settle for food and drink that is nowhere near as good as it could be. It goes way beyond coffee. Bread, pizza, and beer are just a few examples. The rise of beer is coming, and burgers are in the middle of their revolution. High quality burgers have become so popular in Sweden that fast food chains have had to lower the prices on a lot of their low quality junk, to adjust to the demand and market. I want this to happen to coffee. I'd gladly pay $4 for a shot of espresso if it's an actual experience, but not if it's just another half decent cup of coffee. But maybe I'd just as gladly pay $1,5 for the half decent one, since it's usually way better than nothing.
So I see it, there's a hole in the market. Or maybe two holes in the market. One being gourmet-coffee, for the same price as the big coffee chains. Same type of business, but with high quality coffee, simple as that. Second is the cheaper model. An espresso or a cup of coffee for like $1-2, with quality being as high as possible within the margins of that price. Also no other stuff, like sandwiches or salads, or maybe not even seating.
So there's that. Make it happen. Be more nerdy about coffee, demand higher quality. Next time you're in a coffeeshop, ask were the beans were farmed, how they were washed, and what type of roast it is.
sry for long post, but didn't know where else to post it
I know a lovely tea house in Stockholm if that helps?
ive always been a big tea drinker (im english) but i had my first coffee the other day and it was quite horrible. I want to start drinking coffee having looked through this thread. what type of coffee do i start with? btw the first one I drank was an espresso
georgen12ive always been a big tea drinker (im english) but i had my first coffee the other day and it was quite horrible. I want to start drinking coffee having looked through this thread. what type of coffee do i start with? btw the first one I drank was an espresso
You started of at the stronger bitter end of the spectrum. Ease into it. Being a dirty continental I grew up on it, but first time drinkers in later years often have a transition period to go through. Try for say a cappuccino or a latte, the milk removes much of the bitter and punch.
Ok so I just got my Gaggia classic that I ordered two weeks ago (thanks ebay), and OH MY GOD that espresso is beyond anything I've ever drunk. Naturally (I am a scientist after all*) I did a megafucktonne of research into how to make coffee before I even had the chance to, and I think it kinda payed off. I timed the pour to be 24 seconds, and something I didn't realise was how long 24 seconds is. Anyway, I'm probably not gonna be sleeping until the early hours of tomorrow morning.
Shitty blade grinder + French press is enough to make me happy. Just got a $40 Mr. Coffee espresso maker/milk steamer too that I made a dank cappuccino with this morning. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. I don't even want to know what the espresso from a nice setup tastes like because then I will want to buy one hahah
I just poured myself a cup when I saw this thread.
I'm really more into black coffee. I just love drinking it for the nutty aroma and flavor. Also its so satisfying waking up all tired on a cold day and just sipping a warm cup of joe. Honestly the caffeine is just a plus but I feel high every time I drink coffee
Huck-e-CheeseI have an aeropress and a shitty electric grinder, then i just go to the coffee shop and buy some dam dark roast beans, boom
RedPandaShitty blade grinder + French press is enough to make me happy. Just got a $40 Mr. Coffee espresso maker/milk steamer too that I made a dank cappuccino with this morning. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. I don't even want to know what the espresso from a nice setup tastes like because then I will want to buy one hahah
Blade grinders are worse then stale store grind, get a Hario Skerton.
You will improve your coffee game tenfold and gain extra wanking arm strength if grinding fine enough.
oh man, and I thought I loved coffee!
New the the French press scene and Couldnt be happier Nevermind the fact that I am saving lots of money. I've got a single cup French press.. The one you can drink out of if you want to, although I usually don't. Makes 10oz maybe a little more.
How long would you suggest steeping coffee for? I use a dark roast (already ground .. working on acquring a hand grinder) from my local shop if that informations necessary. I'm sure someone out there's got a really specific answer for me seeing you guys spend so much money on this stuff! Much respect.
taylor_gangoh man, and I thought I loved coffee!
New the the French press scene and Couldnt be happier Nevermind the fact that I am saving lots of money. I've got a single cup French press.. The one you can drink out of if you want to, although I usually don't. Makes 10oz maybe a little more.
How long would you suggest steeping coffee for? I use a dark roast (already ground .. working on acquring a hand grinder) from my local shop if that informations necessary. I'm sure someone out there's got a really specific answer for me seeing you guys spend so much money on this stuff! Much respect.
There are no set times, it all depends on:
-your own preference.
-size of the French press/brew
-material of the French press
-filtermaterial
-size of the mesh.
-beans
-grind setting
-water temp
-etc...
When I go for a French press I usually let it sit for quite some time after an initial 20sec slow paddling to bring up the bloom.
omnidataThere are no set times, it all depends on:
-your own preference.
-size of the French press/brew
-material of the French press
-filtermaterial
-size of the mesh.
-beans
-grind setting
-water temp
-etc...
When I go for a French press I usually let it sit for quite some time after an initial 20sec slow paddling to bring up the bloom.
my advice is to start at around 4 minutes and have the water between 180f and 200f (82c and 93c). normally that means start pouring the water 30 seconds from when you take it off of a boil.
i would also recommended to stir the bloom 5 times one minute after you pour the water in
